It is hilarious when you lot ultimately have to go back to your mai baap peer baba murshid dawkins! lol
For example @Citizen X believes the Quran we have today is same from 7th century. But he does not have the humility nor honesty to admit that there is no evidence to verify that claim.
? ? ? ? ? You want me to go round in circles about your absolutely baseless outlandish claims with you at 4.00am in the morning. Sorry dude, got better things to do! lol
There is not a single page of Quran we have found in 7th century not even parchments that have diacritical marks that modern Qurans do.
See when you say stupid and ignorant shit like this, it just cements the position to everyone you have absolutely no fekin' clue what you are on about and not done even the most basic rudimentary research on this subject. Arabic didn't have no diacritical marks because it was Arabic for the Arabs. You can find lessons on this type of Arabic of it on Youtube even today, I think its called meccan or hijazi Arabic, not sure though.
Just like when native urdu speakers write in fast shorthand don't write zer, zabar, pesh etc etc but a native urdu speaker perfectly understands what is written.
Diacritical marks came in much much later when Islam spread and non arab started to accept it, and to make it easier for them and correct their pronunciation diacritical marks were introduced. The Quran or its message didn't change, just the way the script was written slightly changed. No new words or lines were added, no text was omitted. Just the T's were crossed and i's dotted.
You make your own shit up without even the most basic research and pass it off as fact. Even the most staunch critic of Islam doesn't have an issue with this, because this is well known fact on the evolution of the Arabic language. Your worthless objection is like saying one book is totally different form the other because incorrect use of capital letters and no dots on the letter i ?
The modern Quran is nowhere to be found in its complete form until Abbasid period in 8th, 9th and 10th century when the hadiths and biographies also surface.
Another worthless and pointless objection. The correct version would be no Quran has survived completely from that time period simply because the Quran wasn't scribed down as book chapter one chapter two etc etc, nor was it revealed in order it is today. It was complied into one Mushaf by Usman, no one denys this fact. And as I've mentioned arab bedoiun culture till today is a spoken culture. Book making wasn't really a thing back then. Like I asked how many other Arabic books have been found from that era?
Your shitty argument would hold some weight if we had a vast collection of Arabic books from that time and only the Quran was missing in its complete form. Then one could say this was odd. But its the other way round, the only remnants of any book in Arabic are from the Quran and they match up 100% with the Quran of today.
Now let me school you on how its done and blow orientalists like you who have no real argument of their own but just regurgitating nonsense from people like John Wansbrough out of the water.
Ever heard of the Birmingham Quran Manuscript?
These have been dated by your goras and their is no dispute in this to the time of the Prophet Muhammad.
Its text is 100% identical to a contemporary standard text of the Quran Emilio Platti said that
"scholars largely refuse today the late dating of the earliest copies of the Qurʾān proposed for example by John Wansbrough". David Thomas, professor of Christianity and Islam at the University of Birmingham, states that "the parts of the Qur’an that are written on this parchment can, with a degree of confidence, be dated to less than two decades after Muhammad’s death."
[8] Joseph Lumbard also claims that
the dating renders "the vast majority of Western revisionist theories regarding the historical origins of the Quran untenable," and quotes a number of scholars (Harald Motzki, Nicolai Sinai) in support of "a growing body of evidence that the early Islamic sources, as Carl Ernst observes, 'still provide a more compelling framework for understanding the Qurʾan than any alternative yet proposed.'"
en.wikipedia.org
In a nutshell
Time frame established of manuscripts to be from the Prophets lifetime, giving under 5% margin of error from carbon dating.
"radiocarbon analysis showed that there is a 95.4% chance that the parchment on which the Quran fragments were written can be dated sometime between 568 and 645CE. This means that the animal from which the skin was taken was living sometime between these dates. .........Furthermore, we know that the Prophet lived between 570CE and 632 CE, which makes those discoveries quite interesting, by showing that the Birmingham and Sanaa documents can be considered among the oldest manuscripts in the world."
Different/Changed/Manufactured Quran theory shot to pieces.
"The first results, based on character analysis and word analysis, have shown that the two old folios are very similar to their corresponding part contained in the present Quran (Uthmanic compilation). Furthermore, the comparison between Birmingham folios (corresponding to folios 3-4) and Sanaa folio (referenced by 029006B), which correspond to the end of chapter 19 and the beginning of chapter 20, shows that the two texts present a great similarity too."
You can read this detailed study on it here. Your diacriticis are also discussed here.
THIS is how you present and argument, backed by links and studies. Not just make up shit and ask others to prove it for you. I said blah blah blah. Now prove what I said is wrong! When in reality whatever you blurt out YOU have to prove it. NOT ME!
BUT OF COURSE
None of this matter, because you are not here to have a debate and exchange ideas and maybe accept a different POV or even change your stance on some issues. You are a militant athiest whose only aim is to WIN and just regurgitate nonsense you have picked up from you murshids like Dawkins or Sultan if you're not him that is and that by reading such "earth shaking discoveries" everyone will apostate.
You in a nutshell : Don't bother me with facts my mind is already made up
