Is It a Lie? or Truth

Unicorn

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In a recent show with Moeed Pirzada and his guests Naseem Zahara and Shashi Tharoor.

Ms. Zahara made the following statement " following the fall of Dhaka Mrs. Indira Gandhi came running down like a school girl and said we have avenged one thousand years of Muslim rule" Ms. Zahara said that she was watching a BBC documentary about Bangladesh and the secretary of Mrs. Gandhi said that in a interview.

Mr. Tharoor did not agree.

Mr. Pirzada said " its on record " but did not disclosed those record.

I contacted the BBC archives and asked them if such a documentary exists. I was told that they don't know its impossible to say unless I could provide them with the name of the documentary, date of broadcast and the station that broadcasted.

I have started an investigation into this and all you guys are invited to assist. Below are my correspondence with the characters involved.

Email To Shashi Tharoor:
Subject: Your apearence on Pirzada Show



Dear Mr. Tharoor,


I watched you on Mr. Pirzada's show yesterday I believe you handled your self rather well. I need your help on one part of the conversation with Ms. Zahara. She said that " she was watching a BBC documentary that showed a statement from Indira Gahdhi's secretary that Mrs. Ghandhi ran in like a School girl and said we have avenged one thousand years of Muslim rule" Mr Pirzada further added that " this statement is on record" I wished you had called them up on it on TV.


I usually go on a Pakistani web site called siasat.pk and engage in a dialog with Pakistani people. Many Pakistani people quote this statement, I have asked them for proof but they are unable to provide. I watch Pakistani news shows with Indian guests and concerning India all the time. I have heard some Pakistani journalists say the same thing on TV. I have sent emails to them asking for proof that Mrs. Gandhi made this statement but to no avail.


I would like to contact Mr. Pirzada and Ms. Zahara to show us the record they are talking about and I will bet you dollars to donuts that they can't, just as the Pakistani people can't. I would like to know evidence from Mr. Pirzada. I would like to know from Ms. Zahara on what day the BBC documentary was broadcasted, what channel and the name of the documentary. I don't know about you but I will accept the statement of the secretary, provided if he/she really said this, as truth and than understand why they feel the way they feel. I will not get anywhere with them.


I would appreciate your help and I will post your reply following your efforts on this web site.


Thank you in advance.


Yours truly,

UNICORN

Reply From Shashi:

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Your apearence on Pirzada Show

I did challenge that claim by saying that it flew in the face of India's total rejection of the very notion of a civilizational war with Muslims, and was therefore inconceivable for any Indian leader to have uttered. I don't know if this comment was deleted from the televised version, since the taping did run over time.

Moeed Peerzada's email is XXXXXXXXXXX


My email to Pirzada


Deer Mr. Pirzada,


My best regards to you.


I am writing you with regards to your show with your guest Shash Tharoor and Ms. Zahara. I have wrote to Mr. Tharoor and you can read our correspondence below it will give a good background for my email.I did enjoy your show and I hope you continue to air these types of shows in the future as most of the reasonable minded people on both side of the border recognize the fact that a good relationship or at least a workable relationship between the two countries is beneficial for all.


Ms Zara had indicated that she saw a BBC documentary in which Mrs Indra Gandhi's secretary, after the fall of Dhaka said " Mrs Gandhi came running down like a school girl and said we have revenged one thousand year old Muslim rule " Following her statement you mentioned that " this is on record "


I cannot find this statement in any record except in Pakistani books or the Television. I am asking you to disclose those records that contain the statement by Mrs. Gandhi. Specifically,Ms. Zara should know the name of the BBC documentary, date it was broadcasted and the name of the broadcasting station. I am saying on record that this BBC documentary DOES NOT exist.


If this BBC documentary exists, with a statement from Mrs Gandhi's secretary, I will accept it as truth. If its true than I can fully understand your mistrust of Indian government as I would do the same if I was in your position as this would be a horrible statement from the Prime Minister of India. If its not true than you must inform all Pakistanis of this because most of them believe it to be true.


I have forwarded a copy of this email to Mr. Tharoor.


Thank you in advance and wish you all the best.

Unicorn

Email to Ms. Zahara. Jan 16-12


Dear Ms. Zahara,

I am writing to you with regards to your statement that you have seen a BBC documentary where Mrs. Indra Gandhi's secretary said " following fall of Dhakka Mrs. Gandhi ran down like a school girl" and said that " we have revenged one thousand year old Muslim rule ". Mr. Pirzada made a comment in your support and said " this (meaning statement) is on record". You can read rest of the email for better understanding for the subject.

You are the only one who mentioned a credible and tangible news source to back up your statement. I will need your help in finding this documentary to verify your statement. I have been it touch with the BBC and I will require; name of the BBC documentary, name of the station that broadcasted it and date of broadcast if possible all three but the name is extremely important. I have heard this statement form Pakistani people I communicate with from your politicians as well.

Ms. Zahara, you have accused state of India of engaging in civilizational warfare with Pakistan, if true than you have a very good reason not to trust India as I will do the same. However, if your statement, on the program is not true, than I will consider this at lest one " invented lie " for not trusting India.

You can read the rest of the email and a copy of this email will be forwarded to the honorable MP Mr. Shashi Tharoor and Mr. Pirzada

I wish you all the best and will eagerly await your response.



Now the ball is in Pkaistani court and lets discover the truth together. I will up date my responses.
 
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brilTek

Senator (1k+ posts)
Do you know when digital era starts? Digital newspapers came even late.

If our journalists are quoting it --- then they probably have read it somewhere in some newspaper --- We can't show you proof so easily, and an effort from forum members doesn't worth it --- but at any given day --- we trust our journalists who have good repute like naseem zahra than any Indian counterpart.

Why the hell Indian went into East Pakistan? For sake of humanity? Who gave training to Mukti Bahin? Who provided them Arms ? Apart from 1000 years rule by Muslims --- India also want to avenge 1965 defeat as well.

The truth is Indian establishments and politicians ---- never accepted Pakistan wholeheartedly till today.




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brilTek
 

Unicorn

Banned
Do you know when digital era starts? Digital newspapers came even late.

If our journalists are quoting it --- then they probably have read it somewhere in some newspaper --- We can't show you proof so easily, and an effort from forum members doesn't worth it --- but at any given day --- we trust our journalists who have good repute like naseem zahra than any Indian counterpart.

Why the hell Indian went into East Pakistan? For sake of humanity? Who gave training to Mukti Bahin? Who provided them Arms ? Apart from 1000 years rule by Muslims --- India also want to avenge 1965 defeat as well.

The truth is Indian establishments and politicians ---- never accepted Pakistan wholeheartedly till today.




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brilTek

Ms Zahara has seen the documentary I believe she is going to have an amnesia. Pirzada claims its on record lets look at the " record "
 

Unicorn

Banned
Unicorn are you denying that Indra Ghandi ran like school girl to cellebrate or India's involvement in that war.

I think all adults in India ran like school boys/girls to celebrate fall of Dhakka along with Bangladeshis but the question is did Indra Gandhi made the above statement?
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Now the ball is in Pkaistani court and lets discover the truth together. I will up date my responses.
Leave that ball in our court ...:lol:

We will respond it at proper time and channel.:lol:

What you think that the Indian PM is not from Indian public.

Was she any kind of Bhagwan.


Remember What Zardari and Gillani said publicly ,at the Osama operation.

They congratulate America on their surgical attack on their own country.:lol:
 

Unicorn

Banned
Leave that ball in our court ...:lol:

We will respond it at proper time and channel.:lol:

What you think that the Indian PM is not from Indian public.

Was she any kind of Bhagwan.


Remember What Zardari and Gillani said publicly ,at the Osama operation.

They congratulate America on their surgical attack on their own country.:lol:

She was Durga Davi:lol: and Zardari is from outer space.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
I think all adults in India like school boys/girls to celebrate fall of Dhakka along with Bangladeshis but the question is did Indra Gandhi made the above statement?

That is exactly my point that every sardar, patel and Kumar supported india's role in 1971, you cannot that fact. We as a nation will do every thing in our power to pay you guys back, it might take long time we will return that favor.
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Do you know when digital era starts? Digital newspapers came even late.

If our journalists are quoting it --- then they probably have read it somewhere in some newspaper --- We can't show you proof so easily, and an effort from forum members doesn't worth it --- but at any given day --- we trust our journalists who have good repute like naseem zahra than any Indian counterpart.

Why the hell Indian went into East Pakistan? For sake of humanity? Who gave training to Mukti Bahin? Who provided them Arms ? Apart from 1000 years rule by Muslims --- India also want to avenge 1965 defeat as well.

The truth is Indian establishments and politicians ---- never accepted Pakistan wholeheartedly till today.
---
brilTek
The best line in this thread so far.........:lol:
 

eysonm

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yar already sub mill k Pakistan key Lay ray hain.....Par till our ARMY & ISI is their inshallah, will return & reply with multipliers effect 3rd law of motion.
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
She was Durga Davi:lol: and Zardari is from outer space.



There are couple of documentary sites I know , Let me check there ............................................... ....... ....... ........ ....... ....... ...... ......... ........ ......... ....... . .... . . . .
 

Unicorn

Banned
That is exactly my point that every sardar, patel and Kumar supported india's role in 1971, you cannot that fact. We as a nation will do every thing in our power to pay you guys back, it might take long time we will return that favor.

I support India's role otherwise most of the Bangladeshis would have been butchered. Paying back is another issue but right now the question is did Mrs. Gandhi made the statement?
 

Unicorn

Banned
There are couple of documentary sites I know , Let me check there ............................................... ....... ....... ........ ....... ....... ...... ......... ........ ......... ....... . .... . . . .

Go ahead kid use your talent and find the documentary. There are not that many BBC documentaries on Bangladesh and 1971 war. But my feeling is that Ms. Zahara is sending us on a wild goose chase. Give it a good effort.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In a recent show with Moeed Pirzada and his guests Naseem Zahara and Shashi Tharoor.

Ms. Zahara made the following statement " following the fall of Dhaka Mrs. Indira Gandhi came running down like a school girl and said we have avenged one thousand years of Muslim rule" Ms. Zahara said that she was watching a BBC documentary about Bangladesh and the secretary of Mrs. Gandhi said that in a interview.

Mr. Tharoor did not agree.

Mr. Pirzada said " its on record " but did not disclosed those record.

I contacted the BBC archives and asked them if such a documentary exists. I was told that they don't know its impossible to say unless I could provide them with the name of the documentary, date of broadcast and the station that broadcasted.

I have started an investigation into this and all you guys are invited to assist. Below are my correspondence with the characters involved.

Email To Shashi Tharoor:
Subject: Your apearence on Pirzada Show



Dear Mr. Tharoor,


I watched you on Mr. Pirzada's show yesterday I believe you handled your self rather well. I need your help on one part of the conversation with Ms. Zahara. She said that " she was watching a BBC documentary that showed a statement from Indira Gahdhi's secretary that Mrs. Ghandhi ran in like a School girl and said we have avenged one thousand years of Muslim rule" Mr Pirzada further added that " this statement is on record" I wished you had called them up on it on TV.


I usually go on a Pakistani web site called siasat.pk and engage in a dialog with Pakistani people. Many Pakistani people quote this statement, I have asked them for proof but they are unable to provide. I watch Pakistani news shows with Indian guests and concerning India all the time. I have heard some Pakistani journalists say the same thing on TV. I have sent emails to them asking for proof that Mrs. Gandhi made this statement but to no avail.


I would like to contact Mr. Pirzada and Ms. Zahara to show us the record they are talking about and I will bet you dollars to donuts that they can't, just as the Pakistani people can't. I would like to know evidence from Mr. Pirzada. I would like to know from Ms. Zahara on what day the BBC documentary was broadcasted, what channel and the name of the documentary. I don't know about you but I will accept the statement of the secretary, provided if he/she really said this, as truth and than understand why they feel the way they feel. I will not get anywhere with them.


I would appreciate your help and I will post your reply following your efforts on this web site.


Thank you in advance.


Yours truly,

UNICORN

Reply From Shashi:

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Your apearence on Pirzada Show

I did challenge that claim by saying that it flew in the face of India's total rejection of the very notion of a civilizational war with Muslims, and was therefore inconceivable for any Indian leader to have uttered. I don't know if this comment was deleted from the televised version, since the taping did run over time.

Moeed Peerzada's email is XXXXXXXXXXX


My email to Pirzada


Deer Mr. Pirzada,


My best regards to you.


I am writing you with regards to your show with your guest Shash Tharoor and Ms. Zahara. I have wrote to Mr. Tharoor and you can read our correspondence below it will give a good background for my email.I did enjoy your show and I hope you continue to air these types of shows in the future as most of the reasonable minded people on both side of the border recognize the fact that a good relationship or at least a workable relationship between the two countries is beneficial for all.


Ms Zara had indicated that she saw a BBC documentary in which Mrs Indra Gandhi's secretary, after the fall of Dhaka said " Mrs Gandhi came running down like a school girl and said we have revenged one thousand year old Muslim rule " Following her statement you mentioned that " this is on record "


I cannot find this statement in any record except in Pakistani books or the Television. I am asking you to disclose those records that contain the statement by Mrs. Gandhi. Specifically,Ms. Zara should know the name of the BBC documentary, date it was broadcasted and the name of the broadcasting station. I am saying on record that this BBC documentary DOES NOT exist.


If this BBC documentary exists, with a statement from Mrs Gandhi's secretary, I will accept it as truth. If its true than I can fully understand your mistrust of Indian government as I would do the same if I was in your position as this would be a horrible statement from the Prime Minister of India. If its not true than you must inform all Pakistanis of this because most of them believe it to be true.


I have forwarded a copy of this email to Mr. Tharoor.


Thank you in advance and wish you all the best.

Unicorn


Now the ball is in Pkaistani court and lets discover the truth together. I will up date my responses.

Dear Unicorn, good luck son on your fact finding mission but may be instead you should read the quran, here is why.


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?98067-بیشک-اللہ-اور-ا-س-کے-(سب)-فرشتے-نبی-پر-درود-بھ-amp
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hey @Unicorn son:P
yeh quran beech mein kahan se aa gayi idher?????......
btw let us know if pirzada or zehra replies to your emails......
 
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Unicorn

Banned
Day 2 starts no response from Mr. Pirzada. Bumping this up maybe I will find some one ells who has seen the same documentary as Ms. Zahara so far it seems like she was the only audience to the film.
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Day 2 starts no response from Mr. Pirzada. Bumping this up maybe I will find some one ells who has seen the same documentary as Ms. Zahara so far it seems like she was the only audience to the film.
[MENTION=12754]cefspan[/MENTION] is working on it, may be we will have something soon.......
Tharoor didn't forcefully refute the claim made by Zehra or may be he was trying to be polite as a guest.....
 

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