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Is It a Lie? or Truth
- Thread starter Unicorn
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what about nehru's speech in UN.
about right of self determination for kashmiries???????????
we won't forget kashmir.
and we won't forget bangladesh.
khawaja555
Councller (250+ posts)
indra ghandi ne kaha ke ham ne do qomi natria smunder main dabo dia he kar lo jo karna he................................ham pehlay bi kuch na kar sake aaj bi kuch nahin kar sakain gay....................aai samaj?........nahin aai to blochistan jaa raha he shaed phir bi naa aye ........baghdad par jab halaku khan ne hamla kia to wahan bi aalimaana discussions chal rahi theen ..................................mera khial ye he shar aur haya ko Pakistan main nafiz kar dena chahie............Islam to ho na saka ..................
khawaja555
Councller (250+ posts)
correction ......do qomi nazria..........sham aur haya
hawaskapujari
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
all said and done, she was a great leader. the strongest head of state anywhere in all of modern south asia. she was decisive and knew how to use force & diplomacy as when she wanted. top quality politician. my humble salute to her.
she made lots of mistakes, like emergency, she corrupted the congree towards the end of her tenure. but one has to grant her the place under the sun. especially since this was the era when india was politically against both China and USA. she pretty much held her own. compare her with the jokers india has for a leader, the manmohans and the sonia's.
she made lots of mistakes, like emergency, she corrupted the congree towards the end of her tenure. but one has to grant her the place under the sun. especially since this was the era when india was politically against both China and USA. she pretty much held her own. compare her with the jokers india has for a leader, the manmohans and the sonia's.
hawaskapujari
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
you know desicad i was ever a fan of the congree after the era of nehru. but listening to indira here and in the previous video, i have gained a lot of appreciation for her. as you pointed out, the leaders that we have today are pygmys in front of her. complete calm despite the impending aggression. proper visionary leadership qualities.
i should pick up a couple of books about her from the library and read more. my study of indian histor and politics always ended with early nehru. never read any literature beyond that.
i should pick up a couple of books about her from the library and read more. my study of indian histor and politics always ended with early nehru. never read any literature beyond that.
Yup I agree.....she was a born leader.........
And we don't want you to forget.........:biggthumpup:
I will not go for Hindu/Muslim friction but I think that our Politicians, Establishment and Army should be blamed for it. If Bhutto a smart guy but he 'deliberately" fell for this trap, Yahya Khan was a General, he acted like a kid and the Establishment added fuel to fire by enticing Bengali sentiment to the point of no return.
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
dude...india did avenge babri masji and state machinery did nothing???? tehre are elemnts in indian soceity as well which think in these terms and also do politics on this.... thast my only point is..... things are not AS ROSY as u pose... yes i agree its beter situation than pakistan's but saying this mindset doesnt exist there .. i dont think so...
hawaskapujari
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
adnan bhai i am not saying anything is rosy. as i said even today there was terrible news that salman rushdie may not come to jaipur lit. festival because government of rajasthan doesnt wanna anger muslim organizations. u remember of course how the hindu fanatics ran out MF hussain from india by constantly attacking his shows and filing fake cases in the court. then of course there is the now almost 10 year fight for justice for godhra victims. all i am saying is that these riots/carnage are considered abberations and mistakes. its indian politics which forced advani to say that the fall of the babri masjid was a black day for indian democracy. while of course you know on that day in december 1992 he was happily flaring communal passions.
the only difference i feel you are neglecting is that in india fortunately other state institutions like the judiciary, army and central government bureaucracy etc are not at all communal. secondly, even among the right wing nutjobs in active politics, the only true believer probably is narendra modi. i have no doubt in my mind that the thackreys and the advanis are pure opportunists who thought anti-muslim politics is very good for them at one point of time. gradually because of the opening economy and the changes it is bringing in the minds of the people, they are belatedly discovering that the old 90s style anti-muslim politics is no longer having the same effect. for gods sake, the early members of the BJP were all socialists who were members of the erstwhile social-democratic party called Janata Dal under ram manohar lohia and jap prakash narayan in the 60s and 70s. all of them are pakka opportunist anti-minority politicians. unlike them, in pakistan i think the MMA, the JUI, JI etc etc is largely composed of genuine believers whose opinions and thoughts about society and economics and politics are not only anachronistic, but also dangerous. look how they still stand by qadri.
so in conclusion i am not at all saying everything is hunky dory in india. its a constant battle that we right-thinking indians should never be complacent about.secularism is won by fighting long and hard battles, like the one civil rights activists are waging to get the godhra riot perpetrators booked. every new man who is charge-sheeted will make it ever so harder for future rioters.
the only difference i feel you are neglecting is that in india fortunately other state institutions like the judiciary, army and central government bureaucracy etc are not at all communal. secondly, even among the right wing nutjobs in active politics, the only true believer probably is narendra modi. i have no doubt in my mind that the thackreys and the advanis are pure opportunists who thought anti-muslim politics is very good for them at one point of time. gradually because of the opening economy and the changes it is bringing in the minds of the people, they are belatedly discovering that the old 90s style anti-muslim politics is no longer having the same effect. for gods sake, the early members of the BJP were all socialists who were members of the erstwhile social-democratic party called Janata Dal under ram manohar lohia and jap prakash narayan in the 60s and 70s. all of them are pakka opportunist anti-minority politicians. unlike them, in pakistan i think the MMA, the JUI, JI etc etc is largely composed of genuine believers whose opinions and thoughts about society and economics and politics are not only anachronistic, but also dangerous. look how they still stand by qadri.
so in conclusion i am not at all saying everything is hunky dory in india. its a constant battle that we right-thinking indians should never be complacent about.secularism is won by fighting long and hard battles, like the one civil rights activists are waging to get the godhra riot perpetrators booked. every new man who is charge-sheeted will make it ever so harder for future rioters.
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Screw_driver
MPA (400+ posts)
Unicorn
Banned
Right now its my job to find the truth I know that you are allergic to it but I don't care go see a doctor.
TruPakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
This the real face of indira ghandi....................and this is why she was killed by her own "body guard"
Screw_driver
MPA (400+ posts)
First find truth of life, thats more importt
From the Class of 1971
I do not understand the problem here. The military defeat of Niazi in 1971 was imminent. Indra Gandhi is on the record for saying that 1000 years of Muslim rule had been avenged and also for saying that the two-nation theory had been sunk in the bay of Bengal. What we need to do as Pakistanis is to look at our own role in the dismemberment of the country in 1971...
I do not understand the problem here. The military defeat of Niazi in 1971 was imminent. Indra Gandhi is on the record for saying that 1000 years of Muslim rule had been avenged and also for saying that the two-nation theory had been sunk in the bay of Bengal. What we need to do as Pakistanis is to look at our own role in the dismemberment of the country in 1971...
Unicorn
Banned
I need practice in finding the truth from falsehood. If I can't find this truth than how you expect me to find the truth of life?
Screw_driver
MPA (400+ posts)
Truth will make u free, the truth of life
Unicorn
Banned
Day 4 today. I contacted the BBC office in India and asked them if they can help me. They have not heard of such a documentary. They told me to get in touch with Mr. Alan Hayling. Mr. Hayling was the head of BBC documentary for a long time and he has produced several documentaries. They gave me his web address http://www.renegadepictures.co.uk. He operates an independent production company. I am told that he would be an authority on this subject because he probably have seen all BBC docmantaries produced during 70s 80s and 90s.
Here is my email to him.
Mr. Hayling, I just would like to know if you are aware of any BBC documentary in which Mrs. Indira Gandhi's secretary's, after fall of Dhaka after Indo-Pak war made the comment that " Mrs Gandhi came running down and said we have avenged one thousand year old Muslim rule".
This is a claim Pakistani Journalists make and they site " a BBC documentary "
I am wondering if there is any truth to it. I admire your excellent work please keep going.
Thanks
I still have not heard from Mr. Pirzada or Ms. Zahara. Still waiting to hear from my partner [MENTION=12754]cefspan[/MENTION] for any new findings.
Here is my email to him.
Mr. Hayling, I just would like to know if you are aware of any BBC documentary in which Mrs. Indira Gandhi's secretary's, after fall of Dhaka after Indo-Pak war made the comment that " Mrs Gandhi came running down and said we have avenged one thousand year old Muslim rule".
This is a claim Pakistani Journalists make and they site " a BBC documentary "
I am wondering if there is any truth to it. I admire your excellent work please keep going.
Thanks
I still have not heard from Mr. Pirzada or Ms. Zahara. Still waiting to hear from my partner [MENTION=12754]cefspan[/MENTION] for any new findings.
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When ever you are clueless it becomes obvious from your irrelevant scribbling.
You have no answer,it is obvious!
