You are Not a Muslim if You Do Not Believe in Ahadith

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So what do you have to say about the Prophet and Khulafa then?

You have a limited understanding of Islam you haven't read the books just little pickup info here and there. Everything is very well expalined if you choose to look.

Since you don't do Namaz, Fast, zakat or Hajj, why do you want to bother others to stop. Just live your life in ignorance, i have no problem with it.

Prophet Muhammed did not want to confuse the people mixing Quran and hadith during the revelation of the Quran. so he temporary stopped it.

After the Revelation of the Quran was completed and some time has passed, he allowed the recording of History and Hadith for future generations.

Below a partial explanation.

Prophet (saws) taught his Companions (raa) these hadith formally in circles of knowledge. He spent a lot of time commanding them to convey his words, and he used to quiz the Companions also about what they had learned earlier. There was a group of people whose full-time job was to learn and record - commonly known as As-hab as-Suffah. Some of the famous Companions from this group include Abu Huraira, Jabir b. Abdullah, Mu'adh b. Jabal, Abdullah b. Mas'ud and others.

In their time, the primary way of recording something and propagating it was by memorizing it and oral transmission. Needing to write something down was seen as a weakness - these people had extraordinary memories. Secondly, another method they used to preserve the hadith was by practising them and making them a part of their lives. This is another effective way of preservation and propagation.

Initially, in the early stages of Islam, when the style and pattern of the Qur'an wasn't that clear yet, the writing down of hadith was prohibited so as to prevent them from being mixed with the words of the Qur'an. Later, the Prophet (saws) himself commanded Amr b. al-Aas to write down the hadith he was learning. Other instances of explicit permission and commands to write hadith include the hadith in Jami' at-Tirmidhi about seeking help from "the right hand" - i.e. to preserve knowledge by writing it down. The Prophet (saws) explicitly told Rafi' b. Khadij that he could write down the hadith he was learning and there was no harm in it. Anas (ra) narrated that the Prophet (saws) told them to preserve knowledge by writing it down. And as mentioned earlier, Amr. b. Aas was commanded to write hadith. He asked whether he should write down everything, whether the Prophet (saws) was content or upset, and the Prophet (saws) replied by saying yes, everything, nothing comes out of my lips except it is the truth.

The hadith were written down since the earliest times - they were only compiled later in the times of the Companions and later, the Imams. There is a hadith from Anas (ra) that says that around 60 men would gather to review the ahadith of the Prophet (saws). 'Umar and Abu Musa al-Ash'ari used to review hadith until the early morning. For example, Abdullah b. Amr b. Aas had a compilation of hadith with over 5000 of them called As-Sahifa as-Sadiqa, which the Prophet (saws) himself reviewed. Anas b. Malik had a compilation of over 2000, Jabir b. Abdullah over 1500, Aisha (ra) over 2000, and ibn Abbas and ibn 'Umar over 1500.

The first person to start an official compilation of hadith was Umar b. Abdul Aziz, just a few decades after the Prophet (saws) when he appointed the well-known muhaddith Ibn Shihab Az-Zuhri to oversee this project.

The fact is that the hadith were memorized systematically by the Companions and passed down just as the Qur'an was memorized and passed down.
 

nawaz.sharif

Minister (2k+ posts)
Excellent


This is the problem. No one wants to apply their God gifted common sense, even though Allah fobids blind faith but majority just blindly follow what they have been indoctrinated with since birth, never to question.

Now ask yourself when a book contains such nonsense and this is not even the tip of the iceberg and trust me I have read the entire thing cover to cover, its filled with stories, fairytales and outright blasphemy, how can one trust anything it has to say?

Would you believe in the Quran if you doubted even one ayat not to be the word of Allah?

Yes I know what you mean.. I have read many such hadiths too which even though are in Sahih Bukhari/Muslim but if I post them here, people will think its blasphemy because we are never ever shown that side of Islam.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Yes I know what you mean.. I have read many such hadiths too which even though are in Sahih Bukhari/Muslim but if I post them here, people will think its blasphemy because we are never ever shown that side of Islam.
So then why believe in the rest of it, a person who lies cannot be trusted and also why is 95% of traditional Islam based on text that contain such nonsense?

Like I said would you believe in the Quran if you doubted even one ayat not be Allah's revelation?

Even a court of law today does not accept testimony from a witness who is known to be a liar.
 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
These ganju taeli types will throw and have thrown the prophet and the Quran under the bus to save their beloved hadith. This guy and that other idiot Mohd Hijab, Haqetajou, Asim Hakemm etc etc
lets see your youtube video.
 

Citizen X

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you don't follow any rules of Islam, why so hell bent on discussing Hadith?
I am for all rules and obligations as ascribed by Allah s,w,t in his one and only true book that remains uncorrupted that is the Quran.

Hell bent on discussing hadith, because all the blind followers follow these manmade books of corruption rather than Allah's book.
 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A.K.A Ganju taeli.

I am for all rules and obligations as ascribed by Allah s,w,t in his one and only true book that remains uncorrupted that is the Quran.

Hell bent on discussing hadith, because all the blind followers follow these manmade books of corruption rather than Allah's book.
why do you believe that those people chose one or the other. Muslims all over the world use both, but there is nothing that replaces the Quran.

hadith is thrown out if it does not conform to Quran.
 

Citizen X

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lets see your youtube video.
Well if you are not going to watch it then whats the point. But i'll do it for others anyways. I start with a hadith believing, 5 times praying, part of one of the 4 major madhabs, who has studied Quran and hadith from major Islamic schools and ustads and has ijaza to become a mufti.

 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
why do you believe that those people chose one or the other.
Well when 95% of all their rituals, worship, actions, beliefs, laws and regulation are based on said corrupt books and not on the Quran then what else does one say?
Muslims all over the world use both, but there is nothing that replaces the Quran.
In name and on paper only. Why do you say that? Read above for answer.

hadith is thrown out if it does not conform to Quran.
Again in name only. Every collection is filled with crap hadith, none of which are "thrown out" and they continue to be printed till this day under the title Sahih.
 

Citizen X

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So you watched the entire hour long video in 5 mins. And BTW I didn't come to this conclusion over night. Took me 3 years of research. And I know very well about hadith sciences and the classification of hadith. And Sahih bhukari itself cannot be classified as Sahih according to your own mudhatiseen and hadith sciences and neither can the Musnad Ahamd Ibn Hanbal and all your sahih sitta suffer from such issues.

So basically your own sahih are not sahih according to your own standards.
 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So you watched the entire hour long video in 5 mins. And BTW I didn't come to this conclusion over night. Took me 3 years of research. And I know very well about hadith sciences and the classification of hadith. And Sahih bhukari itself cannot be classified as Sahih according to your own mudhatiseen and hadith sciences and neither can the Musnad Ahamd Ibn Hanbal and all your sahih sitta suffer from such issues.

So basically your own sahih are not sahih according to your own standards.
I am very well aware of naheim ajmal Muslim faker, everyone knows about him, it all makes sense now . I will make a new thread in detail next sunday to expose everything

 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I am very well aware of naheim ajmal Muslim faker, everyone knows about him, it all makes sense now . I will make a new thread in detail next sunday to expose everything

He is one of you, actually one of the more learned scholars, aalims, a full time proper qualified mufti, believes in hadith, believes in the all the traditional muslim rituals etc etc. And you really cannot refute his arguments.

You just keep on telling others they don't know anything and that you know everything and till date you have not put forward a single thing. Maybe one day you would share your immense knowledge and research and tell us all why we are wrong.
 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He is one of you, actually one of the more learned scholars, aalims, a full time proper qualified mufti, believes in hadith, believes in the all the traditional muslim rituals etc etc. And you really cannot refute his arguments.

You just keep on telling others they don't know anything and that you know everything and till date you have not put forward a single thing. Maybe one day you would share your immense knowledge and research and tell us all why we are wrong.
its not my knowledge, its Islamic knowledge. But your mind is closed
 

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