Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

One thing I know, Ghamidi is a critique to Ahmdiya Community and do not accept it,

At this it reminds of a Joke

Two person were playing answer guessing game
one said An Animal that is huge have huge ears and a long nose long two teeths eat sugar cane
but at the end said and color is Pink.

Just like that he did same in this regard.
He Said everything what they said but at the end said k Rung Gulabi .
He even did not haistate to qoute out of context portions of Saying of some greate scholors (I have listen him on that and verfied and i have checked my self that he was wrong while qouting ) to prove that Sufi think that Nabowat is not ended etc...

 

[JusticeLover]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

I don't know ghamdi is 100% right or not but he is seemed to be a good and wise scholar , where as normal moftis i.e mofti munib speak like donkeys .

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

yaar yahi to.. tabhi mana kertey hein ke loag ahadees ziada na parha karen.. kuch ka kuch matlab nikaal ker bus shuru hojatey hein nachna..... ek hadees quote ki.. uski asal rooh ko bhoola.. jo marzi aaaya samjhaa aur chaley islam ke theykeydaar banney... doabra parho hadees and then dekho maine kya kaha thaa.. and then match those two...

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire. (Book #001, Hadith #0284)

It is hatered in your eyes

 

[khan27]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

ghamdi liberals ka pyara hai lol..jab se isne imam mehdi ki baat ki hai mein ne isko suna hi band kar diya..ab kya banda iski baat ko yakeen jo kahe ke ji imam mehdi ka wajood hi nahi hai Quran mein

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

At this it reminds of a Joke

Two person were playing answer guessing game
one said An Animal that is huge have huge ears and a long nose long two teeths eat sugar cane
but at the end said and color is Pink.

Jab tumahe pata tha to pehlae drama bazi krnae ki kiya zaroorat thi hai

 

[iceburg]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Here is Wikipedia article about Ghamidi Sahib.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javed_Ahmad_Ghamidi

 

[AsifAmeer]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

I love Fasadi Mulla. Its awesome to see them make an *** out of themselves! Its even better than watching south park!

dont put things out of context just like the mulla do... beleiveing is something differnt.. and then telling them u will go to hell is somethig different... for a childs mmind.. a person burning in hell is a bad person.. so yr teachingthat chile all non muslims are bad..... ur totally negating teh concept of dawah .. if our prophet(pbuh) didnt have a feel for all human beings... islam wudnt have spread.. . uve to show concern for all human beings.. thats where islam diferes from all religions.. but sad muslims these days spwecially fasadi mullas differ from the basic essense of islam....

 

[AsifAmeer]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

I finally got a reply back from Fatwa town of Binoria factory. They have refused to give me a fatwa against the operations of the State Bank of Pakistan.

Does anyone knows of any other Fatwa factory that would issue me a fatwa against their sugar daddies?

One thing I know, Ghamidi is a critique to Ahmdiya Community and do not accept it, He belongs to Imam Islahi & Imam Frahi School of thoughts, and remained student of Syed Maududi several years... He claims not to belong from any sect... About Qualification im sure it is not from Jamia Benoria [hilar], but he was a member of Council of Islamic Ideology, and they only take highly qualified persons.

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

wikipedi dosnt hold proper information about his learnings, I have found Ghamidi sahib very modest, the bettr ways to knows his qualification &
experience is watch his interviews online.....

Here is Wikipedia article about Ghamidi Sahib.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javed_Ahmad_Ghamidi

 

[nauman]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Great man. may be

Good Scholor of Islam. No way
even scholor of Islam. No way

u have a right to hold ur opinion .but i disagreed

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

u have a right to hold ur opinion .but i disagreed

You have right to disagree.

But do research on what he said what he spread on basis of Quran/Hadith

and even bit of common sense will work

you know that Hazoor SW said that Allah will raise men in EACH century to make Islam in it orignal state.??
So how come it is possible that a man came in 15th century started a new interprations of Islam and declare past 14 centuries as wrong.???

any you have right to disagree

But do research on what he said what he spread on basis of Quran/Hadith

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Jab tumahe pata tha to pehlae drama bazi krnae ki kiya zaroorat thi hai

Sir jee konsi Daramay bazi?? :13:(omg)(yapping)

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

yaar yahi to.. tabhi mana kertey hein ke loag ahadees ziada na parha karen.. kuch ka kuch matlab nikaal ker bus shuru hojatey hein nachna..... ek hadees quote ki.. uski asal rooh ko bhoola.. jo marzi aaaya samjhaa aur chaley islam ke theykeydaar banney... doabra parho hadees and then dekho maine kya kaha thaa.. and then match those two...

you statment
beleiveing is something differnt.. and then telling them u will go to hell is somethig different.

Match yourself.

 

[indigo]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Sir jee konsi Daramay bazi?? :13:(omg)(yapping)

Pehlae aap Ghamidi Shaib ka tawruf pochtae hai... or jab btaya jatas hai to Munafiqo ki tarha pehlae hi se apni raye bnai hoyi thi jis k izhar baad me krtae ho...

 

[iceburg]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

wikipedi dosnt hold proper information about his learnings, I have found Ghamidi sahib very modest, the bettr ways to knows his qualification &
experience is watch his interviews online.....

I shared Wikipedia link to share only background information about Ghamidi Sahib,,, That he worked very closly with Maududi Sahib (for 9 years). Then just like Aristotle disagreed with Plato ... may be he disagreed with Maududi sahib ... then worked under Amin Islahi sahab... etc. He also had been member of Jamaat Islami.

Zahir hai Ghamidi sahib k asal points on k interviews aur books se he pata chal sakte hain.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Pehlae aap Ghamidi Shaib ka tawruf pochtae hai... or jab btaya jatas hai to Munafiqo ki tarha pehlae hi se apni raye bnai hoyi thi jis k izhar baad me krtae ho...

My post on this thread please read and tell me that when in which post I asked about his Tarauf???

I go throug the whole thread but did not find
Did i missed my any post

please point out in which i asked for it???

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Ji main ne zindagi main bohut si mistakes ki hain. Mullas ki tarah khud ko perfect person nahi samajhta. And now I have again realized k 5:69 k mutabiq Jews/Christians k liye Prophet(PBUH) pe eman lana bilkul bhi zaroori nahi hai.

Because ... What progress I have made in my understanding is that contradiction is a gut/bugg only if we are evaluating a man made philosophy. But when we are evaluating God revelation ... then any contradiction should be allowed. It does not mean that God reveals contradictory things. It means that God is Above contradictions. God can do any thing. Can do even contradictory things. And God does it not by way of any mistake. God does contradictory things by way of having command over doing contradictory things. You Mullahs judge Quran by way of your own limited "logics". But God's revelations are above of your logics. Quran is logical. And a core logic is Allah's commands over doing contradictory things. To human mind, there can be many contradictions in Quran (as you showed many contradictions in Quran). But Allah being the Absolute Being also includes contradictory aspects in His Personality. Hegel, a Philosopher, has very beautifully said:, "Ultimate Reality is Contradictory in Nature".

So now I feel nothing wrong even if someone like you point out any contradiction in Quran. Chahe saare Quran main Jews/Christians ko lazmi Jahannam main daalne ka zikkar ho ... tu wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai. Aur saath main 5:69 jo Jews/Christians se Jannat ka wada ker rahi hai ... wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai.

Stop using your self imaginations it is pushing you in more darnkness. Stop being more and more away from Quran as i said you read one Ayath Make your believe using your own RAYE and that is it
you forget to what Quran says in fact

Here it is a Clear answer to your Ain Bain Shain.
Quran Sura 4
82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely, have found therein contradictions in abundance).

So Quran is using it as a proof that Quran is From Allah because it did not have any contradiction. and you are saying opposite and try to make it Correct that even it is it is GREAT thing. Wake up Grow up and Learn.


and after reading this

Chahe saare Quran main Jews/Christians ko lazmi Jahannam main daalne ka zikkar ho ... tu wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai. Aur saath main 5:69 jo Jews/Christians se Jannat ka wada ker rahi hai ... wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai.

Mujhy ap par sirf Hansi Ati hy.

and Just ponder on Quran as Quran says
82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely, have found therein contradictions in abundance).

 

[iceburg]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Stop using your self imaginations it is pushing you in more darnkness. Stop being more and more away from Quran as i said you read one Ayath Make your believe using your own RAYE

You made me "away" by showing contradictions in Quran. I did not believe previously that there can be any contradiction in Quran. And I sincerely tried to resolve the apparent contradictions.

you forget to what Quran says in fact

Here it is a Clear answer to your Ain Bain Shain.
Quran Sura 4
82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely, have found therein contradictions in abundance).

This is for you to consider. Because it is you who have proved Contradictions in Quran and you proved it practically by introducing new words in Quran. With my new understanding even this ayyet can be accommodated. This ayyet is first of all allowing few contradictions ... only thing to concern is there should be no contradictions in abundance. And by allowing few contradictions, this ayyet is now a solid support to my opinion.

My opinion is better than yours because after all I do not introduce new words in Quran as you do...!!!

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

You made me "away" by showing contradictions in Quran. I did not believe previously that there can be any contradiction in Quran. And I sincerely tried to resolve the apparent contradictions.



This is for you to consider. Because it is you who have proved Contradictions in Quran and you proved it practically by introducing new words in Quran. With my new understanding even this ayyet can be accommodated. This ayyet is first of all allowing few contradictions ... only thing to concern is there should be no contradictions in abundance. And by allowing few contradictions, this ayyet is now a solid support to my opinion.

My opinion is better than yours because after all I do not introduce new words in Quran as you do...!!!

Contradictons are with Human Not Creator
that is Why Allah use it as proof for Quran

So keep playing with Quran

My Aka SW have shown me the correct understanding of Quran.
so remain in darkness if you wish

 

[iceburg]

Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Contradictons are with Human Not Creator
that is Why Allah use it as proof for Quran

So keep playing with Quran

My Aka SW have shown me the correct understanding of Quran.
so remain in darkness if you wish

And you keep on changing core wording of Quran. Allah khud hissab le ga tum se. Tum iss ayyet ko theek nahi samajh sake thay aur waise he quote ker di thi. Phir hansi thatha bhi kiya tha. Now you are answerless.