I appreciate how SachGoee is facing these many men single handedly. I like your courage, boy. May you be guided to the right path.
But hey, you didn't respond to my post in which I asked you to show from Quran what 'Khatam' means.
Quran has exclusively used word Khaatam in conjunction with Nabee-een for Hazur Pbuh who was indeed Khatam un Nabee-een.
So As this word is not used in any other verse of Quran than how I can give you references of this word from any other verse ? Hamara Quran Koi Dusra Quran nai hai.
Word " Khaatam " is derived from word
" Khatam ". This Khatam is not Khatam of Urdu. " Khatam-Allah o Alla Qaloobehim " Allah ne unkay diloun per Mohar laga di. So here Khatam means Seal. In Quran wherever word Khatam is used it is translated as Seal in Quran and Not last. Similarly Khaatam means Seal of Prophet, Most Exalted Prophet. Here Khaatam defines stature of He PBUH amongst Prophets. The highest Statute.
Now after this you have to revert to Arabic language and See how This word is used in Arabic.
Hazrat Ali RA called Khaatam ul Aoliya by He Pbuh in the same Hadees where He Pbuh said I am Khaatam An Nabee-een. Now Many Sunni and Shia Ulema agree upon many Personalities after Hazrat Ali RA who were Aoliyaa. For example for your sake I will only quote only few Ahl e Sunnat Personalities who are considered Aoliya.
1. Ibn e Arabi Mujaddad Alaf Saani Rehmatullah Aleh
2. Khwaja Fareed Ganj Bakhsh Shakkar Rehmatullah Aleh
3. Shah Waliullah Muhaddas e Dehalwi Rehmatullah Mujaddid of 12th Century.
Now if Khatam Ul Aoliya meant Last Wali on Planet Earth than How were these Personalities Wali ?
Ahmadeez like other Muslims do not Reject those Ahadees which do not suit their belief and call them Jhooti Ahadees as other Sects do.
We believe in the Hadees Laa Nabi aa Ba'adi. Meray Baad Koi Nabi Naheen. Because this Hadees is directed for Closure of Any New Religion or Any New Holy Book and Any New Prophet bringing these. Definitely when Prophet Pbuh would have been asked Hazur will there be a New religion after you ? A new Prophet Bringing a new religion after you ? Than definitely He would have said No meray baad Koi Nabi Naheen.
But The Same Prophet Muhammad on the death of His Son Ibrahim RA said that Hadrat he lived than He would have been a Nabi. No Sect of Ehl e Sunnat rejects this Hadith. No Aalim. Now had his Pbuh Son lived and became a Prophet than surely He would not have been a Sheraee Prophet and would have had followed the same Path of His Prophet Pbuh the way Hazrat Yousuf AS did not bring a new religion and followed path of His father Hazrat Yaqoob AS.
Naoozbillah Allah did not give death to Ibrahim RA his son so that He does not become Prophet when he grows up and break the Khatmeeat. Because it is in the hand of Allah to make or not make anybody a Prophet.
But if the coming of Even Gher Sheraee Prophet or Ummati Prophet would have broken the Seal of Prophets than never would He Pbuh ever said it.
Similarly Hazrat Ayesha RA said that O Yeah call Mohammad Pbuh Khaatam Un Nabee-een but don't call him Last Nabi.
The history of this Rawayatt is that Hazrat Abu Huraira was told by one Sahabi that He Pbuh is called Khaatam Un Nabee-een in Holy Qur'an another Sahabi told him that He Pbuh said that I am last Prophet. So He took a Steel Pot with him along with a stick and while beating it he walked in Madeena Streets saying Aloud announcing that He Pbuh is Last Prophet there is no one after Him. Hazrat Ayesha RA came to know about it and She got angry and called him RA and said Call He Pbuh Khaatam Un Nabee-een but don't call him Last Prophet.
Once I had a healthy discussion with my Sunni friend. He wasn't agreeing with me. He said Look Hazur Pbuh was the Seal of All Prophets I said Yes agreed. He had a pencil bag in his hand which had a seal and He Sealed it and Closed it and said Look this is Earth inside and It is Sealed now no Prophet can come. I said Hazrat Eesa As ? He said he is Alive and He will come. I said now than how will he enter in ? Seal tou Tootay gee. Otherwise he can't enter. He said yaar baat tou tum theek ker rahay ho.
Than I told him that No Seal won't break because Seal of Prophet means the most Exalted Prophet and The Prophet of Highest rank. So Because He Pbuh was the Prophet of the Highest rank and He Pbuh was a Law bearing Prophet Sheraee Nabi so when the best ever had come and the best religion Islam has come so No New Law bearing Prophet or Sheraee Prophet is Either needed nor will come and Laa Nabi Aa Baadi points out to that. But When Maseeh AS will come and He will be Prophet of Allah so the last Prophet who will walk on the surface of Earth will be the Maseeh and even if Allah still feels the need of any other Prophet for guidance than He will be the last Prophet to walk on Planet Earth so He will be Last. So Last is some one who touches the floor of Earth in last.
Than I told him that Hazur Pbuh was made Khaatam an Nabee-een before His Pbuh birth because it was a Rutba Allah had predecided. And When He Pbuh was Khatam an Nabee-een so Allah says that I made Mohammad Pbuh Khaatam Un Nabee-een when even Adam was in the stage of In between Water and Soil. It's than Allah made him Pbuh Khaatam Un Nabee-een. Which shows that it's a Martaba. Now if It meant Absolute Last than Last is created in Last but the Soul of Mohammad e Mustafa Pbuh was created even before the creation of Adam RA.
Than I Showed him writings of 40 Ahle Sunnat as well as Shia Ulema from the demise of Prophet Pbuh uptil year 1850 who categorically wrote that Khaatam Un Nabee-een means that Any New Prophet with New Law cannot come but An Ummati Prophet can come with named of renowned Muslim Scholars who are well respected in the entire Muslim World.
Than I Proved him from Quran that Hazrat Eesa As has died in the sane way All Prophets before him died. I proved him from other verses of Quran that Tawaffi , Mutawaffi and Mumeetoka not only in Arabic means death but also in Quran where ever you translate it at places other than Hazrat Eesa As it means Death. He said brother even if I agree than Surah e Nissa uses word Rafaa which means Aasmaan pe uthaya Zinda. I sat with him. I said Here is Lisaan e Arab & Taj Al Aroos for your reference as dictionaries. Show me from Quran where Allah has used word Aasmaan, Living and Body in this verse ? Search all the words used in this verse. He spent 30 minutes and said Nai huay use ye words. I said ab Mullah ki maan ni ya Allah ki ? He said Allah and He Pbuh ki. I said Now let's see use of word Rafaa in Arabic. I told him an Arabic prayer which says YaAllah mera Rafaa farma. I asked do you say Oh Allah lift me to heaven or do you say O Allah elevate my Darajaat ?
I told him many Arabs pray this prayer between two Sajdaas of Prayer and call it Sunnat of He Pbuh :
Allah huma maghfirli warhumni waadeni wa-aafeni wa-rafani wajburni warzukni.
I said do they pray YaAllah mujhay Aasmaan pe Utha le when thay say Warafaani ?
He said Brother any other Proof aswell from Quran that Hazrat Eesa As has died ? I told him the verse " Wama Mohammadin Illa Rasool Qadd Khalatt min Qablehil Rasool "
Qablehil Rasool = Prophets before He Pbuh
I said I says All Prophets before He Pbuh have died and so will be the fate of He PBUH aswell and he will die aswell.
I asked wasn't Hazrat Eesa As a Prophet before He Pbuh ? He said Definitely He was.
I told him that Ghamdi and Khalid Zaheer who are Sunni also believe from the sane Quran and Same Quranic verses that Hazrat Eesa AS has passed away and He isn't alive. Than I showed him writings of 40 fuqaha of Islam before 1850 who also believed that Hazrat Eesa As is dead.
I showed him Verses of Quran categorically mentioning Hazrat Eesa As as a Prophet for Nation of Bani Israel. I asked him are you Bani Israel ? He said No. I said than how Prophet of Bani Israel will come in Ummat e Mohammadiya ? ? And How a person whom Quran Pronounces dead can come again ? If a Dead Prophet had to come second time than why not the most Exalted the best Mohammad Pbuh why Jesus AS ?
He said Ahadees mein likha.
I said ok now from Quran it's proved that Hazrat Eesa As is dead now let's move to Ahadees.
I said let us start with Ahadees of Sahi Muslim and Sahi Bukhari and than we will switch to any other Hadith book.
I showed him Ahadees describing facial features and personality of Maseeh e Nasri and Maseeh e Mohammadi. I asked him if Maseeh e Nasri (Hazrat Eesa As) ne aana tha again tou phir Hazur Pbuh ne apni Ummat k jis Maseeh ka hulliya bayaan kiya hai wo unn Hadeesoun se Mukhtalif kyun hai hulliya jin mein Hazrat Eesa As ka hulliya bayaan kiya gaya hai ? ? Agar Maseeh aik hota tou Hulliya bhee aik hota. Dou mukhtaliff hulliye kyun hein ? ?
Hadeesein dekh k Haqqa baqqa reh gaya. Kehne laga k Internet ki websites pe aor Moulwee sahib ne tou mujhay kbi ye Ahadeesein nai dikhaeen. Kbi ye nai bataya.
Phir meinay ussay kaha k Ye 3 Kitaabein perho Islami Asool ki Philosophy, Kashti e Nooh aor Haqeeqatul Wahi. Uskay baad Unn Aetrazaat pe baat kerna jo tumhein Mullah told aswell as websites told you. Jub uss ne 3 Kitaabein perheen tou kuch maah baad mulaqaat hui. Meinay Gher Ahmadioun k Aetrazaat rakhay Hazur AS ki Zaat pe aor tehreeraat pe aor Khaas ker Wafaat pe aetraaz tou ulta wo mujhay jawaab deraha tha unn aetrazaat k.
Kehnay laga meinay ye Kitaabein perheen mujhay itni Rohaaniat milli aor Ishq e Rasool k siwaa kuch nai mila. Kehne laga k agar Koi b musalmaan Haqeeqatul Wahee perh le tou usko Quran o Hadees se itne dalail milein ge Hazrat Eesa AS ki Wafaat k k soch b nai sakta. Aor Waqayee Mirza sahib Allah k bargazeeda aor Sachay Nabi thay k jinko 19 ween Saddi ki Budtareen Wabaee marz ki ittelah Allah ne di aor kesay unhoun ne kaha k jo meri chaar deewari mein mujhay maanta ussay kuch nai hoga aor 2.5 laakh loug marr gaey aik b ahmadi ko plague nai hua Allah ki Shaan kesay Khuda ka apne Nabi se waada Sacha hua aor uski Sadaqat ka Nishaan dekh k hazaroun loug Ahmadi hogaey.
Uss ne kaha k abi uss ki perhaee chal rai wo dil se Ahmadi hogaya hai per Agar Eelaan kiya tou Jaan se maar diya jaey ga so independent ho k wo announce keray ga. Chup k wo baqaida MTA dekhta hai Alhamdoulillah aor Hazur AS ki Kitaab Azaala o Ohaam ka aaj kal Muttaleya ker raha hai.
Yaqeenun jub se dunya Bani hai Saeed Rooh Logoun ka yei andaaz hua kerta hai. Kya wo bughz nai rakhtay Daleel se baat kertay hein aor Haq ki talaash mein hotay hein iss liye Muttaleya kertay hein. Aor phir faisla kertay hein.
Aor jo bohat Naik Bargazeeda hotay hein unhein Allah Sachay Khoaab, Kashaf ya Roya mein khud he Allah bata deta hai. Jesa k meray Waalid k Nana ko Palestinian Arab thay Sunni wo aik din Apne Baagh mein bethay thay k aik Banda aaya aor Taaruff kerwaya k mein Qadian se aaya hun 1935 tha. Uss ne kaha k Imam Mehdi aaey gaey hein aor mein unka Peghaam laaya hun. Wo aqaidd batana shuru he hua k unhoun ne kaha dekho kya tumharay paas unki Koi tasweer hai ? Unhoun ne kaha ji. Kaha dikhao. Unhein ne dikhai tou Kaha Bait form dou mujhay mujhay Bait kerni. Uss ne kaha aap peghaam tou sunn lein. Kaha mujhay 5 Saal pehlay Allah ne Kashfi Nazara dikhaya tha jis mein ye Shakhs dikhaya gaya k Jao issay maano. Mein 5 saal se dhund raha tha akhbaaroun mein per Koi khabbar na milli. Bohat tehqeeq ki nai pata chala. Ghar gaey Biwi ko bataya aor 5 bachoun Samaitt bait ker li. Jub k meray Nanehaal mein Ahmadiat 1940 mein aaee jub meray Naana ne bharpoor study ker k Hazur As ki books ki jub dil mutmaaein hua tou Bait ki Alhamdoulillah. Aor Hum Sub bachpun se shuru hotay hein. 5,6 saal ki Umar mein Quran 7 saal Namaaz mukammal ker k phir Dars e Quran Dars se Hadees phir Aahista Ahmadiat k aqaid perhtay hein. Phir humein Taqqabali Aqaid bhee perhaey btaey jaatay hein baaqi firqoun k aor wo kya daleelein detay hein unkay kya belief hein. Aor Yunn hamara Eemaan Mazboot hota chala jaata. Aor jub hum Ahmadioun ka character baaqi Musalmaanoun se compare kertay hein tou aor bhee Eemaan mazboot hota hai.
Ye Sub Moulwee ki Saazish hai jo ye Propaganda kerta k Ahmadioun ki Naslein Parday mein hein ya Brain washed hein issi liye 99.9 % marr jaatay zulm seh letay khoon bahatay detay per Ahmadiat nai choarhtay. Aor kehtay k Kitaabein na perho Jaadu hojaey ga. Haan hum jo linein beech se utha k out of context toarh maroarh k bayaan kertay he sunno dekho. Haan Jaadu tou hai kitaaboun mein Quran o Hadees k wo Moaariff jo Pehlay bayaan nai huay thay aor Musalmaan ka Haqeeqi Kirdaar jin se Zinda hota.
Khatmay Nabooat waalay kyun Jaloos nikaalay, kyun Kehtay k aor Zindagi tung ker dou. Mullah ne kyun Kaalay Qanoon bnaey. Mullah kyun rota k inki sargarmeean bund kero. Kyun Live TV pe behuss k liye nai bulatay ? Kyun Hamza ali k Program mein 3 Mullah ne kaha k aaein agar Program mein tou hum se 1 on 1 discussion nai hogee. Kyun haath Paoon phool jaatay hein ? Kyun k Inko achi tarah pata hai k k Mufti Mehmood kesay Gardunn jhukka k Assembly mein betha tha aor jub Dalaill sunn k beyrha gharq hogaya tou Cafeteria bhaag gaya 1974 mein. Jurrat hai tou in camera session ki video poori ki poori release kerein taakay poora pakistan dekhay k Assembly mein hua kya tha. Video aap kaat nai saktay poori ki poori chalani perhay gee. Aor kaee Mullaoun k burj gir jaein ge.