Allama Iqbal, Qadiyani Cult, and Moulana Syed Anwar Shah Kashmiri

[SachGoee]

Two reasons:

1. British support in a British India which had tamed Mullas of Deoband, Bareilly and the rest. (Deobandis, Barelvis were also on the payroll of the British.)

2. Before claiming prophethood, Mirza had earned a reputation among the Mullas of subcontinent for his debates with the Non-Muslims.

Your cult is still supported by the Christian-daddies of Britain, the so called Punjabi-Qadiani Caliphs are being fed there.

Moreover, Salman Rushdie is still alive and he remained under the protection of the same Christian-daddies of Ahmadiyya. In character, Salman Rushdie is a cousin of Mirza Punjabi-Qadiani.

And yes, Atheists are more successful than Ahmadis, because their leaders were better Promised Messiahs than Mirza Punjabi-Agent.

Yeh Manjann Aap 127 saal se bech rahay hotay jhoot ka Manjann.

Qadian ki aik choti si basti se aik Umme Shakhs kherha hua tha Allah k hukum se. Aor Aaj Dunya k 207 mulkoun mein phel chuka hai 2 crore se zayada loug Jamaat e Ahmadiyya mein Alhamdoulillah Shaamil hein aor Shaamil hotay chalay ja rahay hein.


Salman Rushdie Pandit Lekh Raam ki tarah Gustaakhay Rasool hai. Per uski Pakarh Dunya mein ya Aakhratt mein Allah keray ga. Kisi insaan ko ye Haq nai hai k wo kisi bhee Insaan ki Jaan le. Hazur Pbuh ki Zindagi mein bohat se logoun se aap ki shaan mein budtareen Gustakhee ki per Hazur Pbuh ne kisi aik ko bhee saza nai di kisi kisum ki. Q k Allah ka hukum nai tha. Ka'b Bin Ashraf gustaakh tha per ussay Moutt ki Saza iss jurm pe nai di gaee balkay wo Madina ki state ka Mujrim tha kyun k wo Talibaan Zaalmaan ki tarha State k Aman o Amman ka dushman tha aor wo fasaad fil arz ker raha tha aor Quraish ko Warghla k Jung uksaanay laga tha. Per jub tak wo sirf Gustaakh raha Hazur Pbuh ya kisi Sahaba RA ne ussay haath takk nai lagaya aor wo Gustakhee kerta raha Musalsall. Issi tarah koorha phenkti thee jo wo bhee gustaakh thee, jo kamar pe Aojrhee rakhtay thay namaz k douraan wo bhee Gustakh thay, jissay Baddoo ne He Pbuh ki gardun mein chaadar khench k zakham kiya wo bhee gustaakh tha usko bhee He Pbuh ne maaf kiya kuch nai kaha.

Per Tum loug jo Khud ko Islam ka na sirf thekaydaar samajhtay ho per Zameen pe Khuda Bunnay chahtay ho apna wo Mazhab musallat ker k jo He Pbuh jin pe Islam utra unhoun ne bhee nai kiya tou Salman Rushdie jesay Gustaakh ne bahar he jaana tha jaan bachanay.


Page 4,5,6 per meri posts perh lou. Iss jhoot ka meinay post Martum ker diya hai k Hazur As aor Ahmadiat ka Poda British ne lagaya.


Kuch Aqal se kaam lou. Christianity tou kherhee he Hayaat e Maseeh pe hai aor Mirza Sahib As ne tou Quran e Majeed se Eesaeeoun ka khuda he Maar diya hai. Tou kya Koi servant apne master ka Koi agent apne master ka Khuda maarta hai ? ?


Aqal k Nakhunn lou. Ye Chaan Boora Jhoot ka 127 saal se Mullah bech raha hai K Jub Quran se Hadees se , Allah taala k pooray kerda Nishaanaat se koi jawaab na milay tou jhoot bol k kaho k Yahoodi Saazish hai ya Eesaee Saazish hai. Per jin 2 crore se zayada Saeed Roohoun ne Ahmadiat qabool ki hai unhoun ne Quran Hadees Allah k Nishaanaat perhay aor dekhay, Mirza sahib ki 1 nai 86 books perheen aor samjheen, unkay dawaa ko Quran o Hadees k tarazoo mein jaancha unki Naik Pak Seerat dekhi aor Phir Eemaan laaey Bait ki.


Jo bhee Non Ahmadi Musalmaan, Hindu, Eesaee, Sikh, Yahoodi, Buddhist, Paarsee SAEED ROOH hai wo Inn Jhootoun ko reject ker k haqeeqat ko accept kertay thay, kertay hein aor kertay chalay jaa rahay hein. Ab tou hum Alhamdoulillah dunya ki qadeem tareen Maori aor Mexican Qoumm tak bhee pohanch chukay hein. Tum loug aetrazaat kertay raho linein uthaa k.


Hazoor Pbuh aaey thay tub bhee Tum jesay mojood thay jo kehtay thay k Naoozbillah ye Baawla hai aor Shayer hai aor Jaadugarr hai. Aor Hanstay thay , tamaskharr urhaatay thay aor Gaaleeaan detay thay. Aaj ba-Aenehee tum loug yei ker rahay ho. It isn't surprising q k Jub se insaani taareekh shuru hui jub bhee Nabi aaya ussay welcome nai kiya gaya. Har Nabi k Mukhalifoun zayada thay aor saathee kum taa wo dunya se chalay gaey.


Lastly tumhein kya takleef hai Punjabi Nabi se ? Jub Allah ne Quran mein keh diya k meinay dunya ki har Qoum mein Nabi bhejay tou kya India Bangladesh Pakistan ko 2 Arab se zayada ki Qoumm Inn mein Allah Nabi nai bhej sakta tha ? ?


Aor Quran ki aik aayat dikha ya hazur Pbuh ki aik hadees jahan unhoun ne kaha ho k falani Qoumm se Nabi nai aasakta.


Aor Zara perh lou Anti Ahmadiyya sites k jhoot iftarah kizab aor Taqiya k khudday se bahar niklo. Mirza Sahib ki family history k baaray mein mukhalfeen ne bhee taaleem kiya k kub unki Kon si nasal se yahan Hijrat ki aor aabaad huay aor Unka Taaluq Ehl e Faaris se hai. Shajra e nasab perh lou.

Bughazz ki Aenak utaaro. Hum Ahmadioun mein se koi sunni tha , Koi Shia tha , Koi Barelwee tha , Koi Deobandi tha , Koi Ehl e Quran tha , Koi Bahaee tha , Koi Eesaee tha , Koi Hindu tha , Koi qadri tha , Koi ismaili tha , Koi Gohar shahi tha, Koi Sikh tha , Koi Buddhist tha. Ye 2 Crore loug Koi Mirza sahib ya unki agli nasal ne nai jannay.

 

[RAKPK]

Yei wo Azeem Hasti hai jo 55 saal Din Raat ye Jhoot Bolti rahi k Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS ki Death Washroom mein hui ?

https://youtu.be/sWPIm4XGUCE


55 Saal baad Jhootay ki Death kahan hui ?



# Khuda ki gheratt ko lalkaartay ho ?

Wow, so the Mirza Punjabi Messiah, and Maulana Noorani both died in toilet. Was Noorani a Messiah too?

 

[SachGoee]

https://youtu.be/RPiKIU5-mJM

 

[SachGoee]

Wow, so the Mirza Punjabi Messiah, and Maulana Noorani both died in toilet. Was Noorani a Messiah too?

Aap k Aabaao Ajdaad kya Mirza sahib ka Toilet Saaf kertay thay jo aapko pata hai k wo Bathroom mein Foutt huay thay ?


Kitne Jhoot bolo ge ? ?

 

[RAKPK]

Qadian ki aik choti si basti se aik Umme Shakhs kherha hua tha Allah k hukum se. Aor Aaj Dunya k 207 mulkoun mein phel chuka hai 2 crore se zayada loug Jamaat e Ahmadiyya mein Alhamdoulillah Shaamil hein aor Shaamil hotay chalay ja rahay hein.

So Qadianism is spreading very fast. 20 million is a big number. What is the secret of your success? And when are you going to establish a state like Madinah.

Remember Prophet Muhammad pbuh established Madinah State 13 years after his prophethood.

But your Mirza Punjabi-Messiah died in 1908, which means 108 years have passed and your Caliph is still hiding under the skirt of the Queen.

Salman Rushdie Pandit Lekh Raam ki tarah Gustaakhay Rasool hai. Per uski Pakarh Dunya mein ya Aakhratt mein Allah keray ga. Kisi insaan ko ye Haq nai hai k wo kisi bhee Insaan ki Jaan le. Hazur Pbuh ki Zindagi mein bohat se logoun se aap ki shaan mein budtareen Gustakhee ki per Hazur Pbuh ne kisi aik ko bhee saza nai di kisi kisum ki. Q k Allah ka hukum nai tha. Ka'b Bin Ashraf gustaakh tha per ussay Moutt ki Saza iss jurm pe nai di gaee balkay wo Madina ki state ka Mujrim tha kyun k wo Talibaan Zaalmaan ki tarha State k Aman o Amman ka dushman tha aor wo fasaad fil arz ker raha tha aor Quraish ko Warghla k Jung uksaanay laga tha. Per jub tak wo sirf Gustaakh raha Hazur Pbuh ya kisi Sahaba RA ne ussay haath takk nai lagaya aor wo Gustakhee kerta raha Musalsall. Issi tarah koorha phenkti thee jo wo bhee gustaakh thee, jo kamar pe Aojrhee rakhtay thay namaz k douraan wo bhee Gustakh thay, jissay Baddoo ne He Pbuh ki gardun mein chaadar khench k zakham kiya wo bhee gustaakh tha usko bhee He Pbuh ne maaf kiya kuch nai kaha.

So you're saying that Qadianis Caliph, Mirza Masroor is not ordering the killing of Salman Rushdie because he's not posing any threats to the State of Holy Britain?

Or Mirza Masroor is not doing it because Qadianis do not own a state so far? :)

Per Tum loug jo Khud ko Islam ka na sirf thekaydaar samajhtay ho per Zameen pe Khuda Bunnay chahtay ho apna wo Mazhab musallat ker k jo He Pbuh jin pe Islam utra unhoun ne bhee nai kiya tou Salman Rushdie jesay Gustaakh ne bahar he jaana tha jaan bachanay.

Oh, I see. So you mean to say that Salman Rushdie is hiding in the West because of us terrorist Pakistanis? How bad, we scared not just Rushdie off but Mirza Masroor too.

Page 4,5,6 per meri posts perh lou. Iss jhoot ka meinay post Martum ker diya hai k Hazur As aor Ahmadiat ka Poda British ne lagaya.

You don't know me well. If your Mirza Ghulam was alive in my lifetime, I would rip him off with my arguments.

And you can still refute me now about the British daddies feeding Qadianis, I don't have time to read long stupid posts of you.

Kuch Aqal se kaam lou. Christianity tou kherhee he Hayaat e Maseeh pe hai aor Mirza Sahib As ne tou Quran e Majeed se Eesaeeoun ka khuda he Maar diya hai. Tou kya Koi servant apne master ka Koi agent apne master ka Khuda maarta hai ? ?

Don't make a fool of yourself. The British colonials were not headed by the church. They had embraced secularism quite long ago when Qadiyanism was launched. That's why they didn't whip Mirza on his bottom for disrespecting their god. If they had really cared about Jesus, they wouldn't have provided Mirza and his followers with money and employment. Qadianis were encouraged to seek modern education from Britain and that's how they entered Indian civil service in bigger number than Muslims. They made their ways to All India Muslim League and finally Pakistani establishment in 1947.

 

[Citizen X]

Jiske ki shaqal pe hi laaanat aur pitkhar baras re ho, aur noor ka door door tak koi nishaan nahi, woh naabi to door ki baath ek naik insaan bi nahi ho saktha

And every claim he made contradicted his own previous claim, first it was I am a reformer, then I am like jesus but not jesus, then I am jesus, then I am not a prophet for 10 years he said that then later I made a mistake, writes a book and then say actually I am a prophet, then I am so in love with the Prophet Muhammad saw that I am like him, then I am the prophet himself. Only one thing is for sure that he was cuckoo to say the least. And they keep claiming all the false prophets died a humiliating death, and so did this impostor, dying from "julab" is not a dignified death by any means.

The Prophet s.a.w predicted there will be 72 sects, now there are around AFAIK 8 ahmadiyya sects. Islah pasand group, the UK based community, the green group, sahih al islam group, al muslimeen group, haqiqi group, Nigeria group and Lahori group. Was Mirza able to predict any of these and which one is the right group ?

The whole qaidiyani falsehood is based on twisting of khatam-e-nabuwat. They make differences between prophets and messengers, that a person can be a messenger but not a prophet and Quran only say end of prophethood but not messengers as in rasool. Simple logic is, all messengers were prophets, but not all prophets were messengers. So to be a messenger one has to be a messenger of Allah also. No messenger ever came before who wasn't a prophet.

The more you learn about this cult the more rubbish and nonsense it starts to reveal. I just find it sad, humorous, entertaining, angering and all other sort of mixed emotions when these Ahmedis talk like very learned muslims citing references from the Quran and hadees trying to justify their false prophet. Many have more knowledge of the Quran and hadiths than actual muslims but alas

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[RAKPK]

Aap k Aabaao Ajdaad kya Mirza sahib ka Toilet Saaf kertay thay jo aapko pata hai k wo Bathroom mein Foutt huay thay ?


Kitne Jhoot bolo ge ? ?

Well, Qadiani sources say he died of Dysentery. Indians and Pakistanis say he died of cholera. Whatever cause of death maybe true, it's confirmed that he died because of faeces passing out? Agree?

 

[Citizen X]

Aor Quran ki aik aayat dikha ya hazur Pbuh ki aik hadees jahan unhoun ne kaha ho k falani Qoumm se Nabi nai aasakta.

Quran is very firm on that there will be no more messengers and prophets, so from which race is out of the question. You ask this question as if it is granted that more prophets are to come? It is you people who have twisted khatam-e-nabuat and turned into a matter of nabi and rasool.

So in short, kissi bi qoum se nabi nahi aa sakta, nabuat aur rasool Allah ka sisala khatam ho gaya hai.

 

[SachGoee]

Well, Qadiani sources say he died of Dysentery. Indians and Pakistanis say he died of cholera. Whatever cause of death maybe true, it's confirmed that he died because of faeces passing out? Agree?

No.


As per Hadees of He PBUH the Imam Mehdi AS had two diseases. One was Sugar and one was Large Intestine disease. Despite these diseases He served Islam His entire life and wrote 86 books which was His As purpose.


Every Human Being whether Nabi or Ordinary has to pass away. Hazur AS sugar worsened in later ages and since last two days his Intestine problem had aggravated. And due to weakness and Due to Time of Death having arrived He AS passed away. Allah had foretold him about his nearing death and He had penned it down aswell in his Book.


Hazur AS used toilet few time before his death. And he died on His bed When He was Bawazoo and was preparing to offer Namaz on his Bed and His last words were Allah meray Allah.


Mullah k jhoot ya Yakeen se andaza laga lou k Fajar ka waqt tha aor few close family members , few relatives and few close friends and followers were there at that time. No Non Ahmadi Muslim or Non Muslim was present there jo Ye Jhoot Boltay k Bathroom mein Wafaat hui sirf Hazur AS ki tazheek kerne k liye. Jesay k aik kamzor buzurg ka Pakhaana yei Mullah dhotay thay jinhoun ne ye jhooti reporting ki.

 

[RAKPK]

Hazur AS used toilet few time before his death. And he died on His bed When He was Bawazoo and was preparing to offer Namaz on his Bed and His last words were Allah meray Allah.

Well, you say only his family members were around when he died. So his family members would not tell that he died in the toilet, because if they said it, then Mirza's enemies would make fun of it, wouldn't they?

 

[SachGoee]

Quran is very firm on that there will be no more messengers and prophets, so from which race is out of the question. You ask this question as if it is granted that more prophets are to come? It is you people who have twisted khatam-e-nabuat and turned into a matter of nabi and rasool.

So in short, kissi bi qoum se nabi nahi aa sakta, nabuat aur rasool Allah ka sisala khatam ho gaya hai.

No you are wrong.

There are more than 40 eminent Scholars of Islam before Mirza Ghulam Ahmed AS who wrote and said this that Hazur Pbuh was Khaatam ul Nabee-een but Khaatam does not mean Absolute Last. Amongst those is Founder of Deobandi faith Molana Qasim Nanotwee, but the glaring persons are Hazrat Mohaiuddin Ibn e Arabi Rt who is also called Mujaddad Alaf Saani, Shah Waliullah who is considered Mujaddid of the 12th century and Khwaja Fareed Ganj Bakhsh Shakkar.


Even Hazrat Ayesha RA is on record of saying that Call He Pbuh Khaatam ul Nabee-een but don't call him Last Prophet.


In Arabic

1.Boo Ali Seena is called Khaatam ul Tibb.

2. Hasan bin Wahab is called Khaatam Us Shu'ara

3. Hazur Pbuh called his Chacha Hazrat Abbas RA as Khaatamul Muhajireen


Does this mean these people were last Scientists, Poets and Mohaajir on Planet Earth ?


And if Sunni's who are in majority in Islam believe that Hazrat Eesa Ibn e Maryum is alive and is on Heaven. Firstly Quran pronounces Him Dead but even if He said alive which he is not than when he will come on earth and will walk on Earth than Prophets are counted by their time and Nabooat on earth. Than the last Prophet of ALLAH to walk on EARTH would be Hazrat Eesa AS and not Hazrat Mohammad PBUH so than Hazrat Eesa AS will be last Prophet so if Khaatam ul Nabee-een means last Prophet than Hazrat EESA As would be last Prophet and not He Pbuh. Than this is against Verse of Quran because Quran calls He PBUH as Khaatam ul Nabee-een and not Hazrat Eesa AS.


Lastly if you say that ok Hazrat Eesa is Dead and He won't come back as Quran also clearly mentions that He was a Prophet for the Nation of Bani Israel only and for example people of Srilanka Bangladesh etc are not at all Bani Israel neither is Indonesia. So if you say only Imam Mehdi will come and He won't be Nabi. Plus you believe that with He Pbuh Revelations and Allah's communications with Men closed and ended than who will tell Imam Mehdi when He is grown up that He is Imam Mehdi ? Will his friends tell him k hey my friend you are Imam Mehdi ? Because as per you Allah stopped speaking with Men and stopped revelations of All type with Denise of He PBUH. Than who will tell Imam Mehdi what to write in books for correction of distorted Islam and who will tell him what steps to take as Imam Mehdi of Time ? ? And what special will be Imam Mehdi when he would be ordinary like you when Allah does not speak with him ? What's the need of Allah raising a Imam who is just like 8 billion other human beings ordinary with no divine guidance ? ?


These Beliefs are ridiculous but Moulwee won't tell you these things. His only Job is to lash Keecharh at Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS whom 20 million plus people have accepted as Imam Mehdi.

 

[RAKPK]

In Arabic

1.Boo Ali Seena is called Khaatam ul Tibb.

2. Hasan bin Wahab is called Khaatam Us Shu'ara

3. Hazur Pbuh called his Chacha Hazrat Abbas RA as Khaatamul Muhajireen

What meaning does Quran itself use for the word 'Khatam'.

Let's not refer to any hadith work, just stick to Quran.

 

[Ali.Pakistani]

Hazur AS used toilet few time before his death. And he died on His bed When He was Bawazoo and was preparing to offer Namaz on his Bed and His last words were Allah meray Allah.

Hahahahaha this morning joke made my day :lol:

 

[SachGoee]

Well, you say only his family members were around when he died. So his family members would not tell that he died in the toilet, because if they said it, then Mirza's enemies would make fun of it, wouldn't they?

According to Sunni's and all other 72 sects Allah has stopped Wahi and Mukhaatba Mukaashfa. So It was not Allah who told Mullah that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed AS died in Washroom. Moreover there was No Satellite and No camera evidence of Him AS dying in hospital.

Lastly even if He AS died in Washroom which is a blatant lie but let's suppose His As loved ones hides this thing lifelong than who told this to jhootay Mullah and jhooti Websites ? ? Unko Khuda ne ilhaman bataya hai ? Per wo tou kehtay har kisum ka ilhaam bund hai.


Mullah Nanga ho chuka hai Dunya k Aagay. Aakhree dourr k Issi Mullah k mutaliq Hazur Pbuh k aor e ilfaaz hein k Zameen ki Budtareen makhlooq ye houn ge. Aik aor Hadees mein hazur Pbuh ne unhein Ulema e Soo kaha aik mein Gadhay kaha aor ye Apni Zubaan aor Kirdaar se khud ko Saabit ker rahay hein k ye Ba-Aenehee Wohi hein jo He Pbuh ne bataya tha.


1974 se pehlay har firqa kehta tha k hum wo Waahid firqa hein jo jannati hein jo He Pbuh ne kaha aik firqa naaji hai. Har firqa kehta tha dusray ko tum jahanummi ho aor hum jannati hein.

Hazur Pbuh said 72 dozakhee aik jannati.


Tou 1974 mein Nawaey Waqt ki Headline kya lagi ?

" 72 firqoun ne Mutahhid ho k 73 wein Firqay ko Islam se Khaarij ker diya "


Allah ki Shaan pehlay dafa kbi zindagi mein 72 aik taraf 1 aik taraf. Zameen pe Hadees Saabit hogaee.


Per phir b jo Shakhs Gunah e Kabeera se bachay ga , Gaalian nai dega, Haqooq ul I baad pooray keray ga, Nafrat Sharr Amgezi se baaz rahay ga, Khoon nai bahaey ga, Allah ki ibadatt keray ga jesay Haq aor Haq halaal ka Nawaz a utaaray ga Halq mein aor Allah ki Rah mein kharch keray ga wo 73wein mein he Shu'ara hoga aor Jannati he hoga. Jesay inshaAllah Abdul Sattar Eidhi Jannat mein jaein ge. Hamari Jamaat ne 2013 mein Jalsa Salana UK mein unhein International Peace Award diya for his services to Humanity Along with 2.5 million Rupees.

Aap se bhee yei kehta hun k Aap ne agar nai maan na tou na maanein per Mullah k 127 saala Propaganda pe jhootay ilzaam na lagaein jhoot na bolein kyun k jis khaarhay mein aap nai jis paani mein kbi dubki nai lagaee tou aap Laa Ilm hein aor Aap nai jaantay. Iss liye Jhoot bol e ya Gaaleeaan denay se Sirf insaan apni Aakhrat kharaab kerta hai.

Aap hum se bohat Nafrat kertay hein Hum ye jaantay hein. Hum se Aap ko shadeed nafrat hai humein pata hai. Per hum tou Aap se bohat pyaar kertay hein. Hum tou aap k liye 127 saal se din raat dua kertay hein. Hum ne tou aap k liye kbi Buddua nai ki. Hamara tou khoon beh jaata hai Allah ki Rah mein hum tou phir b sabar ker letay hein aor Roadoun pe Aa k ehtajaaj nai kertay. Hum tou badlay mein Khoon bhee nai bahatay. Aap se tou humein iss liye bhee pyaar hai kyun k hum jis Mohammad e Arabi Pbuh k Aashiq hein Jo Allah k baad hamara Aaqa o Mola hai (not God) aap bhee ussay Maantay hein. So Laantein bhejna gaalian dena nafratein phelana choarh dein q k hum Aap se pyaar kertay hein.

Allah Taala Aapkay Saath ho. Aameen.

Was-Salaam.

 

[RAKPK]

According to Sunni's and all other 72 sects Allah has stopped Wahi and Mukhaatba Mukaashfa. So It was not Allah who told Mullah that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed AS died in Washroom. Moreover there was No Satellite and No camera evidence of Him AS dying in hospital.

Personally I'm not interested in where Mirza died, I don't care actually. And I don't listen to Mullas by the way. I only know which you have confirmed that he was suffering for some intestinal disease. It means he was having loose motions, and so he died of electrolyte loss. Ok fine.

What I care the most is Mirza couldn't accomplish his mission. His followers joined All India Muslim League which was a secular party to oppose Mullas. Qadianis didn't want Mullas to hijack Indian Muslims, so they were supporting the cause of a secular Muslim country. Am I right?

But after Pakistan was established, Qadianism died of heart attack when the Objective Resolution was passed in 1949. Then in 1950s violent protests started against Qadianis. Secular government cracked down Mullas and many of them were killed. Finally in 1974 Qadianis were declared as Kafirs by the Constitution. So in Pakistan, Qadianism failed. Mirza's khalifahs also failed, they had to save their lives under Christians in Britain. Do you see any hope for Qadianism to prevail in the world? Are you going to set up a Qadiani state in the world in the next Millennium?

 

[Citizen X]

No you are wrong.

There are more than 40 eminent Scholars of Islam before Mirza Ghulam Ahmed AS who wrote and said this that Hazur Pbuh was Khaatam ul Nabee-een but Khaatam does not mean Absolute Last. Amongst those is Founder of Deobandi faith Molana Qasim Nanotwee, but the glaring persons are Hazrat Mohaiuddin Ibn e Arabi Rt who is also called Mujaddad Alaf Saani, Shah Waliullah who is considered Mujaddid of the 12th century and Khwaja Fareed Ganj Bakhsh Shakkar.


Even Hazrat Ayesha RA is on record of saying that Call He Pbuh Khaatam ul Nabee-een but don't call him Last Prophet.


In Arabic

1.Boo Ali Seena is called Khaatam ul Tibb.

2. Hasan bin Wahab is called Khaatam Us Shu'ara

3. Hazur Pbuh called his Chacha Hazrat Abbas RA as Khaatamul Muhajireen


Does this mean these people were last Scientists, Poets and Mohaajir on Planet Earth ?


And if Sunni's who are in majority in Islam believe that Hazrat Eesa Ibn e Maryum is alive and is on Heaven. Firstly Quran pronounces Him Dead but even if He said alive which he is not than when he will come on earth and will walk on Earth than Prophets are counted by their time and Nabooat on earth. Than the last Prophet of ALLAH to walk on EARTH would be Hazrat Eesa AS and not Hazrat Mohammad PBUH so than Hazrat Eesa AS will be last Prophet so if Khaatam ul Nabee-een means last Prophet than Hazrat EESA As would be last Prophet and not He Pbuh. Than this is against Verse of Quran because Quran calls He PBUH as Khaatam ul Nabee-een and not Hazrat Eesa AS.


Lastly if you say that ok Hazrat Eesa is Dead and He won't come back as Quran also clearly mentions that He was a Prophet for the Nation of Bani Israel only and for example people of Srilanka Bangladesh etc are not at all Bani Israel neither is Indonesia. So if you say only Imam Mehdi will come and He won't be Nabi. Plus you believe that with He Pbuh Revelations and Allah's communications with Men closed and ended than who will tell Imam Mehdi when He is grown up that He is Imam Mehdi ? Will his friends tell him k hey my friend you are Imam Mehdi ? Because as per you Allah stopped speaking with Men and stopped revelations of All type with Denise of He PBUH. Than who will tell Imam Mehdi what to write in books for correction of distorted Islam and who will tell him what steps to take as Imam Mehdi of Time ? ? And what special will be Imam Mehdi when he would be ordinary like you when Allah does not speak with him ? What's the need of Allah raising a Imam who is just like 8 billion other human beings ordinary with no divine guidance ? ?


These Beliefs are ridiculous but Moulwee won't tell you these things. His only Job is to lash Keecharh at Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS whom 20 million plus people have accepted as Imam Mehdi.

Errr...nope you're still wrong, your whole "religion" revolves around twisting and turning this to somehow make your mirza a prophet, which btw he himself denied for ten years then all of a sudden he remember oh no I think I am a prophet so "ek ghalti ka izala" was done, sorry peeps you remember me telling you for the last 10 years I wasn't a prophet but you guys insisted I was, guess what! Turns out I'm just a pathetic liar, and you guys are right. I am a prophet! A million billion scholars can say whatever they like. When the Quran says end of prophet hood, it means end of prophet hood, no ifs and buts. You guys can jump into the deepest oceans or shout from the highest peak but that won't change the fact the Nabuwat and Risalat ended with Muhammad s.a.w. False prophets like your kazzab mirza started to come from even during his the prophets own life time. And they will not stop.

Also it is your own false prophets, false innovation that Hazrat Isa is dead and your entire following argument falls flat on his its face with just that fact alone.

I truly feel sad for you people, you have received the message obeyed it, brought iman to the fact there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is prophet and then gone a step further and ruined all of it, this life and the hereafter for the sake of that liar Mirza, and ordinary man with average intelligence who did nothing great in his life, did not write anything but rubbish, came and went and 99% of the world did not even notice it but a great conman, who was able to ruin everything of yours. This is the greatness of your so called prophet ?

 

[karachiwala]

 

[karachiwala]

Lastly even if He AS died in Washroom which is a blatant lie but let's suppose His As loved ones hides this thing lifelong than who told this to jhootay Mullah and jhooti Websites ? ? Unko Khuda ne ilhaman bataya hai ? Per wo tou kehtay har kisum ka ilhaam bund hai.

 

[imtiazahmed]

There is a word in the opening of the topic "Allama Iqbal". This reminded me I had read somewhere that for a certain period Iqbal remained Qadiyani. I made a hectic search through google and lo what I found:

".............And now consider this.
What if Sir Allama Iqbal had remained an Ahmadi?For those who do not know, Allama Iqbal joined the Ahmadi community at the hands of its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, in 1897. He is known to have said,​

“If you want to see Islam alive in this age, you must visit Qadian.”​

He considered the founder of the Ahmadi community as the most prolific theologian in the Muslim world. Sometime after the demise of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Allama Iqbal left the Ahmadi community. It is not clear exactly when, but he continued to be in close contact with the Ahmadi leadership till at least 1931, when he vouched for the Ahmadi Khalifa as the most able person to lead as the first president of the newly founded all-India Kashmir Committee. His parents and elder brother remained Ahmadis.Back to the question – what if Allama Iqbal remained an Ahmadi? .........
​

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/30242/what-if-allama-iqbal-had-remained-an-ahmadi/

BTW I am not interested in this topic. I am a devout Sunni but do not enter into any religious debate. My firm faith is that those who believe in Allah, Quran, Muhammad SAW as LAST prophet (both as Rasool and Nabi) is Muslim.
"

 

[SachGoee]

وفات پر اعتراض کا جواب
راشد علی اور اس کا پیر اپنی بے لگام کتاب میں لکھتے ہیں ۔

موت کا شکنجہ :۔

بالاخر مخالفین کی ہزرہ سرائیوں سے تنگ آکر مرزا صاحب نے اللہ تعالیٰ کی جناب میں دعا کی کہ اگر جھوٹے مفتری ہیں تو اللہ تعالیٰ انہیں ہیضہ اور طاعون سے موت دے دے۔ چنانچہ یہ دعا مقبول بارگاہ ایزدی ہوئی اور ایک سال بھی گزرنے نہ پایا کہ مرزا صاحب بآد حسرت ویاس اپنی منہ مانگی موت یعنی ہیضہ کا شکار ہو کر چل بسے۔ مرتے وقت کلمہ تک نصیب نہ ہو سکا۔ زبان سے جو آخری الفاظ نکلے وہ یہ تھے

میر صاحب (مرزا صاحب کے خسر) مجھے وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا ہے۔

(حیاتِ ناصر مرتبہ شیخ یعقوب علی قادیانی صفحہ ۱۱۴)

یہ بھی حسبِ معمول راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کی خیرہ سری ہے جو انہیں بار بار جھوٹ کی لعنت کا مورد بناتی ہے۔

i:۔ وصال کا سبب حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام جس درد اور کرب کے ساتھ اسلام پر حملوں کے دفاع میں مصروف تھے۔ اس کے لئے دن رات کی علمی محنتِ شاقّہ ، آرام میں کمی اور غذا کی طرف سے لاپرواہی کے نتیجہ میں آپ کو اعصابی کمزوری کی وجہ سے اسہال کا مرض اکثر ہو جاتا تھا ۔ امرِ واقعہ یہ ہے کہ جس صبح حضرت مسیحِ موعود علیہ السلام کی وفات ہوئی ہے اس سے ملحقہ کئی دن آپ مسلسل دن رات تحریر وتقریر میں مصروف رہے حتّٰی کہ وفات سے بیس گھنٹے قبل بھی آپ نے لاہور میں صاحبِ علم افراد کے سامنے ایک طویل تقریر فرمائی ۔اس کی وجہ سے آپ کو اعصابی کمزوری لاحق ہوئی پھر رات کو اسی وجہ سے اسہال بھی آئے۔ اس کیفیت کا ہیضہ سے دُور کا بھی تعلق نہیں۔ نہ ہی روایات میں ڈاکٹروں کی طرف سے اس کا ذکر ملتا ہے۔

حضرت میر ناصر نواب رضی اللہ عنہ کی صرف ایک روایت ہے جو حضرت مسیحِ موعود علیہ السلام کے مکذّبین ایسے رنگ میں پیش کرتے ہیں کہ گویا آپ کی وفات کی وجہ یہ تھی کہ آپ اپنے دعوٰی میں صادق نہ تھے۔

حقیقتِ حال یہ ہے کہ حضرت میر ناصر نواب رضی اللہ عنہ کی اس روایت سے یہ نتیجہ نکالنا کہ واقعۃً حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کو وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا تھا بالکل غلط بات ہے۔ اس فقرے کا مطلب تو صرف اس قدر ہے کہ حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام نے حضرت میر صاحب سے استفسار کیا کہ مجھے وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا ہے ؟ اور محض پوچھنے کا مطلب ہرگز یہ نہیں ہوتا کہ واقعۃً وہ بات ہو بھی گئی ہو۔

ایسی حالت میں جبکہ اعصابی کمزوری ہو اور اس کی وجہ سے اسہال کی مرض بھی لاحق ہو تو نقاہت بے حد بڑھ جاتی ہے۔ اس پر مستزاد یہ کہ سر پر چوٹ آنے کی وجہ سے حالت دِگر گوں ہو تو متاثرّ شخص سے یہ توقع رکھنا کہ اس کے ذہن میں ایک صحت مند شخص کے صحت مند ذہن کی طرح ہر بات پوری تفصیلات کے ساتھ مستحضر ہو ، انصاف کے خلاف ہے۔ چنانچہ آنحضرت ﷺ پر بھی ایک مرض کی وجہ سے ایسا وقت آیا کہ حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا فرماتی ہیں۔

انّہ لیخیّل الیہ انّہ یفعل الشّی وما فعلہٗ

(بخاری ۔ کتاب بدء الخلق ۔ باب فی ابلیس وجنودہ )

ترجمہ :۔ آپ ؐ کو خیال گذرتا تھا کہ آپ ؐ نے گویا کوئی کام کیا ہے حالانکہ آپ ؐ نے ایسا کیا نہ ہوتا تھا۔

(یہاں خدا تعالیٰ کی قدرت دیکھئے کہ حضرت امام بخاری ؒ اس حدیث کو ابلیس اور اس کے لشکر کے باب میں لائے ہیں۔ شاید نظرِ کشفی میں انہیں ان لوگوں کا علم ہو گیا ہو کہ ابلیس اور اس کے چیلے کون ہیں۔)

پس حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کے ایک ایسے فقرہ پر راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کا بغلیں بجانا بعینہ اسی طرح ہے جس طرح آنحضرت ﷺ کے بعض بشری عوارض پر مستشرقین نے استہزاء کئے ہیں۔

اس فقرے میں وبائی ہیضہ کا ذکر ہے۔ جبکہ تاریخی ریکارڈ شاہد ہے کہ اپریل ، مئی ۱۹۰۸ء میں پنجاب میں یہ وبا تھی ہی نہیں ۔ علاوہ ازیں یہ بھی تاریخی ریکارڈ سے ثابت ہے کہ لاہور میں اس وجہ سے کوئی موت نہیں ہوئی تھی۔ حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام میں بھی ہیضہ کی کوئی علامت موجود نہ تھی ۔اس لئے اس وقت حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کے معالج میجر ڈاکٹر سِدر لینڈ پرنسپل میڈیکل کالج لاہور نے آپ کی وفات کے سرٹیفکیٹ میں لکھا تھا کہ آپ ؑ کی وفات اعصابی اسہال کی بیماری سے ہوئی ہے۔ چنانچہ اس وقت جتنے بھی اطبّاء اور ڈاکٹر آپ کے معالج تھے یا ارد گرد تھے وہ سب ڈاکٹر سِدرلینڈ کی رائے سے متفق تھے کیونکہ ا س کے علاوہ سچائی اور تھی ہی کوئی نہیں۔

اسی طرح ڈاکٹر کننگھم سِول سرجن لاہور نے جو سرٹیفیکیٹ جاری کیا اس میں اس نے تحریراً یہ تصدیق کی کہ مرزا صاحب کی وفات عام اسہال کی شکایت سے ہوئی ہے ۔ اس اسہال کی وجہ اعصابی کمزوری تھی نہ کہ ہیضہ۔

اس پر مزید گواہی کے سامان خدا تعالیٰ نے یہ بھی فرمائے کہ جب آپ ؑ کی نعش مبارک ،قادیان لے جانے کے لئے لاہور کے ریلوے اسٹیشن پر پہنچی اور گاڑی میں رکھی گئی تو راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کی قماش کے لوگوں نے محض شرّ پیدا کرنے کے لئے یہ جھوٹی شکایت اسٹیشن ماسٹر کے پاس کی کہ مرزا صاحب ہیضہ کی وجہ سے فوت ہوئے ہیں۔ چونکہ وبائی مرض کی وجہ سے ہیضہ سے وفات پانے والے کو دوسرے شہر لے جانا قانوناً منع تھا اس لئے اسٹیشن ماسٹر نے نعش بھجوانے سے انکار کر دیا ۔اس پرآپؑ کے ایک صحابی، شیخ رحمت اللہ صاحب نے سِول سرجن کا سرٹیفیکیٹ دکھایا تو پھر اسٹیشن ماسٹر کو حقیقتِ حال کا علم ہوا کہ یہ شکایت کرنے والے کہ حضرت مرزا صاحب کی وفات ہیضہ سے ہوئی ہے ، جھوٹے ہیں۔ چنانچہ اس نے اجازت دی اور آپ ؑ کی نعش مبارک قادیان لائی گئی۔ یہ سب واقعات تاریخ احمدیت جلد ۳صفحہ ۵۶۲پر تفصیل کے ساتھ درج ہیں۔

پس بیماری کی کیفیت ، علاج ، وفات اور پھر بعدکے تمام واقعات راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کے جھوٹ کوطشت از بام کرتے ہیں اوریہ ثابت کرتے ہیں کہ حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کی وفات ایک طبعی موت تھی جس میں کوئی غیر طبعی عوامل کار فرما نہیں تھے۔

ii:۔آخری الفاظ راشد علی اور اس کے پیر نے ایک اختراع یہ بھی کی ہے کہ

مرتے وقت کلمہ تک نصیب نہ ہو سکا۔ زبان سے جو آخری الفاظ نکلے وہ یہ تھے۔ میر صاحب مجھے وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا ہے۔

یہ ان دونوں کا جھوٹ ہے۔ یہ خود بخود ایک جھوٹ تراشتے ہیں اور اسے بڑی بے شرمی سے پیش کر دیتے ہیں۔

حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کے وصال کے وقت کے تمام حالات اور لمحہ لمحہ کی تفصیلات جماعتِ احمدیہ کی کتب میں درج ہیں جو راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کو پرلے درجہ کا جھوٹا اور فریبی ثابت کرتے ہیں۔ چنانچہ حضرت مرزا بشیر احمد رضی اللہ عنہٗ، حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کے وصال کی کیفیّات کی تفصیل لکھتے ہوئے فرماتے ہیں۔

جو کلمہ بھی اس وقت آپ کے منہ سے سنائی دیتا تھا وہ ان تین لفظوں میں محدود تھا ۔

اللہ ! میرے پیارے اللہ

اس کے سوا کچھ نہیں فرمایا۔

صبح کی نماز کا وقت ہوا تو اس وقت جبکہ خاکسار مولّف (یعنی حضرت مرزا بشیر احمد رضی اللہ عنہ) بھی پاس کھڑا تھا۔ نحیف آواز میں دریافت فرمایا

کیا نماز کا وقت ہو گیا ہے۔

ایک خادم نے عرض کیا ہاں حضور ہو گیا ہے۔ اس پر آپ نے بستر کے ساتھ دونوں ہاتھ تیمم کے رنگ میں چھو کر لیٹے لیٹے ہی نماز کی نیّت باندھی مگر اسی دوران بے ہوشی کی حالت ہو گئی۔ جب ذرا ہوش آیا تو پھر پوچھا کیا نماز کا وقت ہو گیا ہے۔ عرض کیا گیا ہاں حضور ہو گیا ہے پھر دوبارہ نیّت باندھی اور لیٹے لیٹے نماز ادا کی۔ اس کے بعد نیم بے ہوشی کی کیفیت طاری رہی مگر جب ہوش آتا تھا وہی الفاظ۔

اللہ ! میرے پیارے اللہ

سنائی دیتے تھے ۔ ۔۔۔۔۔۔ آخر ساڑھے دس بجے کے قریب حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام نے ایک دو لمبے لمبے سانس لئے اور آپ کی روح قفسِ عنصری سے پرواز کر کے اپنے ابدی آقا اور محبوبِ جاودانی کی خدمت میں پہنچ گئی۔ انّا للّٰہ وانّا الیہ راجعون (سلسلہ احمدیہ ۔صفحہ ۱۸۳ ، ۱۸۴۔مطبوعہ نظارت تالیف و تصنیف قادیان ۱۹۳۹ء)

حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کو بچپن میں دیکھ کر آپ ؑ کے والد صاحب نے فرمایا تھا کہ یہ زمینی نہیں بلکہ آسمانی ہے یعنی آپ کی ابتداء بھی خدا تعالیٰ کے خاص فضل اور رحمت کے سایہ میں تھی ، باقی زندگی بھی جیسا کہ آپ فرماتے ہیں۔

ابتدا سے تیرے ہی سایہ میں میرے دن کٹے

گود میں تیری رہا میں مثل طفل شیر خوار

اسی طرح آپ ؑ کی وفات بھی خدا تعالیٰ کے نام پر ہی ہوئی۔ آپ کی زبان پر اسی کا نام تھا اور اسی کے نام کو زبان پر لے کر اس کے حضور حاضر ہو گئے۔

اس ابدی سچائی کے برخلاف جو بھی کوئی دوسری بات کرتا ہے وہ جھوٹا ہے اور جھوٹے پر خدا تعالیٰ کی لعنت ہے۔