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ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

[HI]Altaf Hussain Says Idea of Pakistan Was Dead at Its Inception

[/HI]By Arun Rajnath

[HI]NEW DELHI, November 7,2004:[/HI]
Leader of the Sindh-based political party MQM, Mr Altaf Hussain stunned his audience at an international conference on Friday declaring that the idea of Pakistan was dead at its inception.

The NDTV quoted him as saying:[HI] "The division of the subcontinent was the biggest blunder...it was not the division of land, it was the division of blood."

[/HI]He wants India to open its doors to every Mohajir, the Muslim refugees who went to Pakistan after the partition.[HI] "I appeal to the politicians here to forgive the people who left and let them return," said Hussain.

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[HI]Talking about Pakistan, Hussain said: The scenario is so depressing that leadership of the day openly admits that the country would fall apart if the army did not run its affairs. What does it tell you? To me it signifies a telling blow to the very idea of Pakistan, a homeland for the Muslims of the subcontinent, and the two-nation theory, which continues to wreck untold miseries on the people of this region for the past five decades[/HI].

Muslims are fighting and killing each other on the basis of tribal and linguistic affinity, sectarian strife is worse than ever before. Mosques and madrassas are but flourishing businesses. The less educated the Pesh Imam, the more popular and affluent he is likely to be. The advocates of Jihad, a medieval concept to tame the infidel, are wantonly killing followers of the faith as they visit places of worship.

[HI]Perhaps the idea of Pakistan was dead at its inception, when the majority of Muslims chose to stay back after partition, [/HI]a truism reiterated in the creation of Bangladesh in 1971. If you need further evidence, look at the plight of 300,000 stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh for three decades in their passage to the chosen land. Unwanted by both Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by an unknown destiny, he said.

The NDTV report described Hussain as the clear star on the second and final day of the Hindustan Times Leadership Initiative conclave in Delhi.

It said in an emotional speech lasting about an hour, Hussain spoke about human rights abuses against Mohajirs in Pakistan, betrayal by former prime ministers Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto and the need to find a peaceful solution to the issue of Kashmir.

[HI]The choice before us in Pakistan today is not Musharraf or democracy but between army and even more army, [/HI]he said.

[HI]NDTV said Hussain, who started life as a taxi driver in New York,[/HI] has his own take on how to start afresh on Indo-Pak relations.

[HI]"When you reach a dead end, your car cannot move ahead. What option do you have? Reverse the gear on the car and go back to where we started...when we were one country," said Hussain.

[/HI]Explaining why he was part of a military government, Altaf Hussain said his party was not comfortable with the political arrangement.

"Why then, you may well ask, are we a part of the Government, which perpetuates army rule by undermining democracy and its institutions. We have paid a heavy price for pursuing our political objectives in a country where democracy is controlled. Given the circumstances which prevail, our desire to serve the helpless deprived and exploited peoples of Pakistan have indeed led us into political arrangements which we are neither comfortable in nor would deem desirable in better circumstances," he said.

Following is the Full Text of the address of MQM Founder and Leader, Altaf Hussain:

The Management of Hindustan Times, Distinguished Guests and Honorable Speakers: Assalam-o-Alaikum, Namaste, Sat Sri Akal and Good afternoon:

On behalf of my party and on my own behalf, I congratulate Hindustan Times for the Leadership Initiative series of lectures. I sincerely hope it develops into a successful forum to further the search for global peace and prosperity. I am indeed honored and privileged to be invited to share the stage with some of the most eminent leaders of my generation and to offer my humble views before such a distinguished audience.

It also happens to be my first address in the land of my forefathers and I am, therefore, particularly mindful of the historical opportunity to try and place my views on partnership with this great country for a better world.

Ladies and Gentlemen: There are more than 190 countries in the world today. They all communicate with one another directly or indirectly. In this age of Information Technology it is not possible to conceal facts for any length of time. Common folks are in a better position to assess facts from fiction. India has made giant strides in the field of IT and is recognized as the worlds largest democracy.

Soon after independence India got rid of the prevailing feudal system thereby strengthening the democratic institutions. The developments of this democratic process not only kept the armed forces at bay but also provided a boost to education the masses. General education brought about a Middle Class, which started to play its crucial role in Politics as well as in business. The democratic process in India proved the linchpin for its industrial advancement, particularly in the field of IT. It is forecasted that in the coming 15-20 years India will become one of the strong economies in the world, if the rate of progress continues. For a countrys partnership and growth it is essential that the economy move in the right direction.

Before I proceed to take up the topic of the day, I would like to take the liberty of [HI]briefing you about the emergence, philosophy and the political journey of the MQM so far.[/HI] We are the third largest political party in Pakistan. We stand for equal rights and opportunities for all irrespective of color, creed, caste, sect, gender, ethnicity or religion. [HI]We strive tirelessly for tolerance, religious or otherwise and oppose fanaticism, terrorism and violence in all their manifestations.

[/HI]MQM is committed to the introduction of an entrepreneurial free market economy good governance and independent judiciary capable of dispensing justice, transparent accountability, free Press and participation of women in all spheres of life. Our immediate political objective is to change the corrupt medieval feudal political system of Pakistan. We are, therefore, the only genuine party of the lower and middle classes, totally devoid of feudal lords and army Generals. The support that we enjoy from the people of Pakistan has been amply demonstrated in our performance during consecutive elections of 1988, 1990, 1993, 1997 and 2002.

[HI]Having started in March 1984 as a Mohajir Qaumi Movement out of the frustration of Mohajirs in Sindh[/HI], our track record today encourages even the Sindhi-speaking people from the rural areas of Sindh, who were led to believe by the Pakistan establishment that we would end up usurping their rights, are joining us in large numbers.

Why then, you may well ask, are we a part of the Government, which perpetuates army rule by undermining democracy and its institutions. We have paid a heavy price for pursuing our political objectives in a country where democracy is controlled. Given the circumstances which prevail, our desire to serve the helpless deprived and exploited peoples of Pakistan have indeed led us into political arrangements which we are neither comfortable in nor would deem desirable in better circumstances.

The choice before us in Pakistan today is not Musharraf or democracy but between army and even more army. The very religious parties created by the army facilitate to see through constitutional changes which debilitate democratic processes in the long term and on the very next day take to the streets try to make the world believe that they are the vanguard of the fight to restore democracy. To place our politics in context, I would also like to briefly touch upon the loot and plunder of the wealth and resources of Sindh and Balochistan, including the denial of their legitimate share from the federal revenues and ever so increasingly their due share of water, the consequences in terms of the rural areas and the severe environmental damage are there to be seen in both the provinces.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The scenario is so depressing that leadership of the day openly admits that the country would fall apart if the army did not run its affairs. . What does it tell you? [HI]To me it signifies a telling blow to the very idea of Pakistan, a homeland for the Muslims of the subcontinent, and the two-nation theory[/HI], which continues to wreck untold miseries on the people of this region for the past five decades. Muslims are fighting and killing each other on the basis of tribal and linguistic affinity, sectarian strife is worse than ever before. Mosques and madrassas are but flourishing businesses. The less educated the Pesh Imam, the more popular and affluent he is likely to be. The advocates of Jihad, a medieval concept to tame the infidel, are wantonly killing followers of the fait as they SOMETHING places of worship. [HI]Perhaps the idea of Pakistan was dead at its inception, when the majority of Muslims chose to stay back after partition, [/HI]a truism reiterated in the creation of Bangladesh in 1971. If you need further evidence, look at the plight of 300,000 stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh for three decades in their passage to the chosen land. Unwanted by both Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by an unknown destiny.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The rights of the people who migrated to Pakistan from Muslim Minority Provinces of the Subcontinent were usurped and they had to face highhandedness and injustices. We formed the Mohajir Qaumi Movement against these injustices. To crush our Movement baseless accusations were made and were termed traitors. We were targeted through State oppression in 1993, during the Army Operation against the MQM, General Elections were held. The Army imposed a ban on the MQM to contest these elections from a few constituencies to allow the armys created group to win the elections and to demonstrate to the world that the people of urban centers of Sindh do not support the MQM. On this illegal and unconstitutional basis, the MQM decided to boycott the General Elections in protest. On our appeal, the people of Sindh successfully boycotted the General Elections also witnessed by the international observers.

As a result, the entire election process became dubious and then the high army official requested us to take part in the provincial assembly elections. With assurances of free and fair participation in the elections on a 48-hour notice, we participated in the provincial elections and the people overwhelmingly bestowed their mandate in favor of the MQM. If the charges of terrorism leveled against the MQM had been true then the people of Singh would have supported the army operation against the MQM and in the presence of army they would not have effectively boycotted the elections and would not have given their mandate to the MQM. However, the peoples mandate was not respected and the State operation continued unabated against the MQM and we were even not allowed to peacefully protest against the operation within the country.

No one can prove that we have pleaded anybody elses case except our own at international platforms including the UN. We did, however, seek moral, political and diplomatic support from the countries, which stand for democracy and human rights. My representatives have met officials of the United States and many European countries because we were pushed against the wall and forced by our own government to take our case world-wide because they remained arrogant and hell bent on not providing rights and oppressed us militarily instead of sincerely and meaningfully negotiating with us in accordance with the democratic norms.

Mutual understanding and awareness of each others problems will certainly help to reduce tensions in the region.

06. We must also begin to look at possible arrangements for strengthening regional security co-operation. This probably would prove to be most difficult under the present circumstances of prevailing tensions in our region. But it is also therefore a necessity. Varying systems of co-operation in security matters could be designed and adopted between different states with the objective of reaching regional security co-operation at a later stage.

[HI]In conclusion, it may be pertinent to state once more that cultural heritage need not be a divisive force. We must and I believe we can ensure that our diverse cultures, yet our common heritage contain the seed of unity within that diversity. If we worked together we can draw strength from the richness of our civilizational traditions in order to give life to a new and modern South Asian unity. I truly believe that today we have arrived at the threshold of effective action to realize the dreams and aspirations of our people; freedom from poverty, from ignorance, under-development and from constant conflict which could best be achieved through regional unity of South Asian States.

[/HI]I thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen: May I now revert to the topic of the Seminar and with your permission to make references to our party wherever appropriate.

The title of the conference India and the World: A Blueprint for Partnership and Growth has a welcome optimistic connotation. The themes of the future for the people of South Asia are indeed partnership and growth. Obviously, the first requirement for either to happen is that peace and normalcy must prevail. For much too long, Pakistan and India have been at odds. If we look around, we see unrest in Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh, Afghanistan is still looking for peace.

India and Pakistan, being the two largest in the region, need to demonstrate magnanimity and the necessary political wisdom and desire to truly seek peace. If this be so, it should be possible to pursue a meaningful, sincere and a composite dialogue with an open mind. I wish to take this opportunity to place on record the sincere appreciation of the MQM, and my own. of the recent initiatives by successive Prime Ministers of India, President General Pervez Musharraf and all those who may have been involved or contributed to the same. It is imperative that the current ambience be maintained to enable the process to evolve gradually. We see the approach in first tackling the issue of creation of processes necessary for carrying on the dialogue as a wise one. It is quite clear that the necessary architecture is now slowly but surely falling in place in a manner, which would impart continuity to the dialogue process itself. It is also heartening that a wide-range of outstanding issues is being simultaneously addressed at several levels.

It should be clear to all concerned that there can be no military solution to any of the contentious issues. Let alone the issue of Kashmir. Neither for that matter can resort to militancy and extremism. The mindless loss of lives, endless human rights violations and continuing depletion of developmental resources to deal with civil strife cannot be justified under any circumstances. As a representative of a persecuted minority forced to live in exile and to grieve the loss of colleagues and supporters day after day through extra-judicial processes, I can well understand the agony of the Kashmiris. Over 17,000 Mohajirs have been killed including leaders, supporters and their relatives during army and state operations.

Thousands of Mohajir families have been rendered destitute because either their breadwinners were extra-judicially executed, arbitrarily arrested or forced into hiding or exile. My 66 years old brother Mr Nasir Hussain and his son 28 year old Arif Hussain were unlawfully arrested in the presence of their entire neighborhood. They were brutally tortured for three days and on 9th December 1995 and then extra and then extra judicially executed. Both were non-political citizens of Pakistan.

The total number of casualties in the four wars, including Kargil, was in excess of thirteen thousand. Most estimates suggest that already more than fifty thousand lives have been lost in Jammu and Kashmir alone causing misery and grief to family members, distorting the normal pattern of life and virtually destroying the local economy. Who benefits from all this? Can the people of Pakistan and India afford it? Can they afford the diversion of these resources from their own development programs, health programs and education? Definitely not. [HI]Two million students are being taught currently in about 50,000 madrassas run by right-wing religious parties totally outside Government supervision to promote a medieval ideology leading to the generation of 15-20 thousand new militants every year, year after year. Who will detoxify the society? How will they be reintegrated into the mainstream? I pay tributes to the Muslim leaders and intellectuals of India for maintaining moderation and not pushing the Muslims towards fanaticism and Jihad.

[/HI]Ladies and Gentlemen: The Confidence Building Measures contemplated to bring the people of both countries closer must be implemented vigorously. Let there be free people to people contact. Let there also be cultural and social contacts, sporting contacts, political contacts, economic contacts, and diplomatic contacts to further peace and harmony. Presently, part of the region and therefore her people equally deserve to freely interact with the people of adjoining states of India. However, denial to reopen the Khokrapar Munabao border and Ferry Service between Karachi and Bombay is nothing but stifling the rights of the people of Sindh. The people of Sindh are forced to take an expensive route via Islamabad to obtain to obtain visas and then Lahore to catch the train or the bus. It is now incumbent on the governments of India and Pakistan to re-open the Visa Office in Karachi, which would further better the relationship.

Ladies and Gentlemen: I have recently aired a few thoughts on Realism and Practicalism copies of which are in this hall. I will appreciate your comments on it. The spirit and essence of it is that we must accept the ground reality without blinkers. The reality today is that India and Pakistan are at loggerheads and as a result the region is in turmoil. [HI]Dialogue between India and Pakistan should be pursued in diversity and should not be a hostage to Kashmir issue only.[/HI] Practicalism seeks ways for common or agreed grounds.

When we talk of Kashmir, there are several procedural and allied issues, which crop us. Is it a bilateral issue? Do the people of Kashmir come into the equation? I have a habit of speaking freely without mincing my worlds. I intend continuing to do so and gladly invite my critics to correct me on the credibility and the plausibility of my views, objectively, in India, Pakistan and internationally.

To deal with Kashmir, there has to be a basis or opinions on which the talks could take place. What could those options be? In the recently talked about Chenab Formula an option? Is Dixon Plan an option? Could formalization of the Line of control be an option? Are there any more options that we may not know about? [HI]We also talk about the UN Resolutions, could they be enforced? If it was enforceable, why has it not been enforced in the past?[/HI] What have Tashkent and Simla Agreements and the Lahore Declaration yielded?

Practicalism and Pragmatism call for acceptance of what is in existence or has been in existence instead of arbitrary new ideas. I understand that the people of Kashmir are also aspiring for independence, even for this option, negotiation has to take place. Negotiation is the primary condition for all options. [HI]The Line of Control could well be used as the basis to begin negotiations by virtue of being a ground reality, which has existed for the past three decades. I am saying, use this as a basis or option to begin talks until such a time that a practicable alternative option is found. What is wrong with it? If both countries resolve that crossing this line would be considered as aggression, doesnt it in lay mens terms amount to an international border? If not, what is an international border?
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And, if this is not an option then what options are we left with, another war? We have fought three wards over Kashmir, the governments may have achieved political victories and defeats, but what did the people achieve? Body bags of the soldiers and civilians, more widows and orphans, more taxes, contribution to war funds poverty and backwardness. And, if we remain intransigent and squander this opportunity, the cost to be paid in the long term could be horrid. Before I go further I would like to quote the Prayer of St. Francis of Assisi (1181), Where there is hatred, let me sow love.

On the spirit of this prayer I would like to request both the countries India and Pakistan, to stop sowing the seeds of hatred and start sowing the seeds of love.

My plan is to let good sense and logic prevail and to let our peoples prosper. Let us divert critically required funds from defence to social and economic sectors. Our children need education; our villages need clean drinking water, electricity, medical care, everywhere there is a crying need for employment, better civic amenities and transport facilities etc. Let common sense prevail over arrogance and political expediencies. Let us arm our children with education, health and hygiene than nuclear bombs and missile. I applaud President General Pervez Musharraf for making a bold and courageous statement discarding plebiscite as an option. I had always maintained that it was never a practicable or implementable option.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The United States of America, now the unipolar power of the world and her western allies have historically supported the dictatorial and monarchical rulers in the developing world for their short term gains and opposed moderate, liberal and enlightened Middle Class, as their sustained foreign policy. Their policies and mind set have always been Election centric. They failed to calculate the long-term repercussion of their foreign policies.

These authoritarian and monarchical rulers deliberately promoted religious, sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism on the strength of the unbridled support of the west to protect their rules. Oppressed their people produced Osama-bin-laden, Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussain. And, now to rein in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US and her allies has to wage a global war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq. As a result of these wars, thousands of innocent people are being killed and millions of people are facing the wrath for no fault of theirs but their rulers. Infliction of atrocities is resulting in psycho reactionary actions amongst millions. It is now essential for the US and her western allies to review their policies, they should now support and nurture the modern, enlightened Middle Class who are capable of dismantling the religious, sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism and establish genuine democracies which would be mutually beneficial for their people and the West. In case of Pakistan, the historical and sustained support of Feudal-Mullah-military alliance by the United States and West has already proved negative and has permeated rampant corruption, bad governance, denial of rights to smaller province, illiteracy, impoverishment, unemployment, frustration amongst general populace and above all the religious sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism and violence.

South Asian countries in general and India and Pakistan in particular need do no more than draw lessons from Europe, whose post-wart history is roughly the same length as our two nations. The European Union, which emerged out of the dictates of the economic well being of its people and the desire to fully actualize their individual potential in a collective manner, is a live demonstration of the possibilities that can be envisaged by the dynamic minds of visionary leaders. [HI]We should yearn for the day when we have a Common Union, perhaps even a Common currency while maintaining our sovereignties and dignities intact. [/HI]We have the SAARC more in form than in content due to the rancor, which has blinded us.

South Asia remains of the most integrated regions of the world. We are looking forward to the implementation of the SAFTA (South Asia free Trade Agreement) in January 2006 as outlined in the SAARC declaration of January 2004 in Islamabad. The creation of a free trade zone along with some degree of economic integration of SAARC countries could turn the region into a huge regional economic market, second only to China in terms of size. If futuristically developed along with a network of roads and railway connections to South East Asia and Central Asia the future of our seceding generations would indeed be bright. Restrictions on bilateral trade have forced both countries to import goods from third countries, which could have been traded for more economically and efficiently from each other. Indo-Pak trade would ensure cheaper raw material, low transportation, less insurance costs etc resulting in potential for quality products at competitive prices for consumers in both countries and larger markets for manufacturers.

Having resolved the external issues, South Asian countries in general need to put their houses in order. They should stop discriminations on the basis of ethnicity, religion or descent. I request the Government of Pakistan to recognize and indemnify all the religious and ethno-linguistic and minorities and treat them equally to foster a sense of ethnic linguistic pluralism and nationalism. All the Governments in the past have deliberately strengthened ethno-linguistic particularism in Pakistan under the rubrics of majority and power. In democracy, only the members should not count. A state becomes successful only when it is truly able to accommodate the aspirations and the needs of its minorities. [HI]Pakistan should genuinely strive to devolve power to the provinces making them fully autonomous, reserving for the Federal administration only Defence, Foreign Affairs and Currency.[/HI] If the Federation of the United States of America can remain stronger by having fully autonomous states then why should one assume that Federation of Pakistan would weaken if the provinces have fully autonomous status?
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Mainstream political forces, including the MQM, equipped with liberal and progressive ideological underpinnings have the capability of transforming Pakistan into a democratic and progressive state at peace with itself and its neighbors. They can deliver good governance, an independent judiciary and freedom of the media.

[HI]The purpose of this conference is to discuss and prepare a "Road Map" for the economic, strategic and political future of India in relation to the world and the regional countries[/HI]. To attain this objective we should find out the "Key" to achieve positive results, which is peace in the South Asia region. The region is the first gate to be opened for, and then we should proceed to open the second gate, which is the World. The word "Peace" is catalyst to positivism, success, prosperity, harmony, better economy, better understanding and relations with their neighbors.

If the regional countries have peace and better relations then it would ultimately draw the remaining world towards the region. The peace is the only and only "Key" through which India could have improved and long lasting relations with the world but for this peace has to be established in the region first. The benefits that could be drawn by the South Asian Countries including Pakistan through peace could never be achieved through the use of nuclear weapons, atom bombs, chemical and biological weapons and a massive army. India and Pakistan have considered each other as enemies since independence but now to achieve the sacred objective of peace, better and long-lasting relations, both countries have to engage in a meaningful and sincere dialogue and cease all hostilities against each other.

Finally, I think South Asia needs to have a comprehensive human rights code that protects the people from unbridled state power. Freedom from poverty, hunger, illiteracy and provision of basic services be part of the human rights of the people of the sub-continent and our governments should be promoting an environment in which the people of the sub-continent achieve what people of other regions have achieved through peace and co-operation.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov04/P1_arun3.htm
 

humdaan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

zaid hamid type of mentality has destroyed afghnistan for ever.now he want same thing happen to pakistan and our naive awam cant see what these people is doing .retarded people like zaid hamid fill hateret in the people heart and brain.i think zaid hamid is more terrorist then taliban. bcz he brain washed poor pakistani people in to fight and use islam as an excuse.regarding altaf hussain comment on pakistan is very genuine .the partition of india has divided muslim in to three fraction indian muslim pakistani muslim and bangladeshi muslim.remember muslim has ruled india for very long time.and remember one thing being a muslim we beleive in unity not dividing muslim in to parts.lets come to the points india muslim populatiom is roughly 25 crore pakistan 18 crore,bangladesh 20 crore altogether muslim popolation is roughly 65 crore.and hindu population is roughly 80 crore if partition would not have happened atleast muslim would have strong force in sub continents.but its no point crying over spilled milk.pakistan exist and pakistan is reality so is no point any body denying thats what altaf hussain said as well that india should accept pakistan as a reality what wrong in it. if u quote altaf husssain sentence out of context in the hateret of altaf hussain then is up to you basically you are misguiding muslims in pakistan to gain some political advatage.we are pakistani now and we love pakistan more then any body else and we can give our live for pakistan any day.but being a pakistani we need to accept each other open hearted. not saying to people that we are son of sind and uare not.we should be saying to each other that we are all sons of pakistan with out any discrimination.i sicerely hope u got my point.mqm zindabad pakistan zindabad
 

humdaan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

even kashmire dont want to be part of pakistan so more division in muslims
 

Reehab

Councller (250+ posts)
me tamam urdu speaking bahiuo se yeh request karta hoon ke yeh quid tum sub ko le dobe ga yeh khud london me betha he woh bhi nationalty ke sath is ka kame he ikhtlaf dalna no dought sare hukmaran essy hien. is ko dard he khud aye yahan per warna is ke peeche chalo ge to maro ge yeh india ka khas agent he . yeh mar gaya kissa khatam sakoon he sakoon
 

humdaan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

poor ayaz palijo dont even know there history. ayaz plijo need to go through history after that he will end up apaulogising altaf bhai, palijo truth is bitter isn,t .never mind palijo stop sulking and do some thing good for a change.let me correct u in more thing there is no piya jam in interior sind they use donkey as transport. so call ur hartal donkey jam hartal[hilar][hilar]:lol::lol:​
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

Your bhaiya has already applied for visa for all the traitors....
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

A request to India.... Plz Altaf ko wapis le lo , ye bohat udas hai India ke begair.
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

A very impressive thread.........Congratulation to the thread poster and the participants......(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

In Month of Ramadhan, I am sure this would be our prime duty to keep cursing our brothers and Sisters.

And on the top of that Historical moments of Pakistan foundation is almost in few days time, this will make more elegant issue, to keep creating such nice neat and clean atmosphere.

Appreciate, you guys are awesome.

In fact would you guys recommend on the Independence day, I will open Forum for all type of "MAA-BEHAN each other" threads, so that will really keep you guys more pleased and Satisfied.

What a great way to CELEBRATe "Ramadhan" & "Independence Day"
 

Ammar Alam

New Member
what is thiS , indianS cant be a freinDs of pakistani , how can he say like thiS , thiS is our homeland , our ancestors fought for it ! we will keep it safe at every cost
 

Ammar Alam

New Member
what is thiS , indianS cant be a freinDs of pakistani , how can he say like thiS , thiS is our homeland , our ancestors fought for it ! we will keep it safe at every cost <br>
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

The Management of Hindustan Times, Distinguished Guests and Honorable Speakers: Assalam-o-Alaikum, Namaste, Sat Sri Akal and Good afternoon:

On behalf of my party and on my own behalf, I congratulate Hindustan Times for the Leadership Initiative series of lectures. I sincerely hope it develops into a successful forum to further the search for global peace and prosperity. I am indeed honored and privileged to be invited to share the stage with some of the most eminent leaders of my generation and to offer my humble views before such a distinguished audience.

It also happens to be my first address in the land of my forefathers and I am, therefore, particularly mindful of the historical opportunity to try and place my views on partnership with this great country for a better world.

Ladies and Gentlemen: There are more than 190 countries in the world today. They all communicate with one another directly or indirectly. In this age of Information Technology it is not possible to conceal facts for any length of time. Common folks are in a better position to assess facts from fiction. India has made giant strides in the field of IT and is recognized as the worlds largest democracy.

Soon after independence India got rid of the prevailing feudal system thereby strengthening the democratic institutions. The developments of this democratic process not only kept the armed forces at bay but also provided a boost to education the masses. General education brought about a Middle Class, which started to play its crucial role in Politics as well as in business. The democratic process in India proved the linchpin for its industrial advancement, particularly in the field of IT. It is forecasted that in the coming 15-20 years India will become one of the strong economies in the world, if the rate of progress continues. For a countrys partnership and growth it is essential that the economy move in the right direction.

Before I proceed to take up the topic of the day, I would like to take the liberty of [HI]briefing you about the emergence, philosophy and the political journey of the MQM so far.[/HI] We are the third largest political party in Pakistan. We stand for equal rights and opportunities for all irrespective of color, creed, caste, sect, gender, ethnicity or religion. [HI]We strive tirelessly for tolerance, religious or otherwise and oppose fanaticism, terrorism and violence in all their manifestations.

[/HI]MQM is committed to the introduction of an entrepreneurial free market economy good governance and independent judiciary capable of dispensing justice, transparent accountability, free Press and participation of women in all spheres of life. Our immediate political objective is to change the corrupt medieval feudal political system of Pakistan. We are, therefore, the only genuine party of the lower and middle classes, totally devoid of feudal lords and army Generals. The support that we enjoy from the people of Pakistan has been amply demonstrated in our performance during consecutive elections of 1988, 1990, 1993, 1997 and 2002.

[HI]Having started in March 1984 as a Mohajir Qaumi Movement out of the frustration of Mohajirs in Sindh[/HI], our track record today encourages even the Sindhi-speaking people from the rural areas of Sindh, who were led to believe by the Pakistan establishment that we would end up usurping their rights, are joining us in large numbers.

Why then, you may well ask, are we a part of the Government, which perpetuates army rule by undermining democracy and its institutions. We have paid a heavy price for pursuing our political objectives in a country where democracy is controlled. Given the circumstances which prevail, our desire to serve the helpless deprived and exploited peoples of Pakistan have indeed led us into political arrangements which we are neither comfortable in nor would deem desirable in better circumstances.

The choice before us in Pakistan today is not Musharraf or democracy but between army and even more army. The very religious parties created by the army facilitate to see through constitutional changes which debilitate democratic processes in the long term and on the very next day take to the streets try to make the world believe that they are the vanguard of the fight to restore democracy. To place our politics in context, I would also like to briefly touch upon the loot and plunder of the wealth and resources of Sindh and Balochistan, including the denial of their legitimate share from the federal revenues and ever so increasingly their due share of water, the consequences in terms of the rural areas and the severe environmental damage are there to be seen in both the provinces.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The scenario is so depressing that leadership of the day openly admits that the country would fall apart if the army did not run its affairs. . What does it tell you? [HI]To me it signifies a telling blow to the very idea of Pakistan, a homeland for the Muslims of the subcontinent, and the two-nation theory[/HI], which continues to wreck untold miseries on the people of this region for the past five decades. Muslims are fighting and killing each other on the basis of tribal and linguistic affinity, sectarian strife is worse than ever before. Mosques and madrassas are but flourishing businesses. The less educated the Pesh Imam, the more popular and affluent he is likely to be. The advocates of Jihad, a medieval concept to tame the infidel, are wantonly killing followers of the fait as they SOMETHING places of worship. [HI]Perhaps the idea of Pakistan was dead at its inception, when the majority of Muslims chose to stay back after partition, [/HI]a truism reiterated in the creation of Bangladesh in 1971. If you need further evidence, look at the plight of 300,000 stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh for three decades in their passage to the chosen land. Unwanted by both Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by an unknown destiny.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The rights of the people who migrated to Pakistan from Muslim Minority Provinces of the Subcontinent were usurped and they had to face highhandedness and injustices. We formed the Mohajir Qaumi Movement against these injustices. To crush our Movement baseless accusations were made and were termed traitors. We were targeted through State oppression in 1993, during the Army Operation against the MQM, General Elections were held. The Army imposed a ban on the MQM to contest these elections from a few constituencies to allow the armys created group to win the elections and to demonstrate to the world that the people of urban centers of Sindh do not support the MQM. On this illegal and unconstitutional basis, the MQM decided to boycott the General Elections in protest. On our appeal, the people of Sindh successfully boycotted the General Elections also witnessed by the international observers.

As a result, the entire election process became dubious and then the high army official requested us to take part in the provincial assembly elections. With assurances of free and fair participation in the elections on a 48-hour notice, we participated in the provincial elections and the people overwhelmingly bestowed their mandate in favor of the MQM. If the charges of terrorism leveled against the MQM had been true then the people of Singh would have supported the army operation against the MQM and in the presence of army they would not have effectively boycotted the elections and would not have given their mandate to the MQM. However, the peoples mandate was not respected and the State operation continued unabated against the MQM and we were even not allowed to peacefully protest against the operation within the country.

No one can prove that we have pleaded anybody elses case except our own at international platforms including the UN. We did, however, seek moral, political and diplomatic support from the countries, which stand for democracy and human rights. My representatives have met officials of the United States and many European countries because we were pushed against the wall and forced by our own government to take our case world-wide because they remained arrogant and hell bent on not providing rights and oppressed us militarily instead of sincerely and meaningfully negotiating with us in accordance with the democratic norms.

Mutual understanding and awareness of each others problems will certainly help to reduce tensions in the region.

06. We must also begin to look at possible arrangements for strengthening regional security co-operation. This probably would prove to be most difficult under the present circumstances of prevailing tensions in our region. But it is also therefore a necessity. Varying systems of co-operation in security matters could be designed and adopted between different states with the objective of reaching regional security co-operation at a later stage.

[HI]In conclusion, it may be pertinent to state once more that cultural heritage need not be a divisive force. We must and I believe we can ensure that our diverse cultures, yet our common heritage contain the seed of unity within that diversity. If we worked together we can draw strength from the richness of our civilizational traditions in order to give life to a new and modern South Asian unity. I truly believe that today we have arrived at the threshold of effective action to realize the dreams and aspirations of our people; freedom from poverty, from ignorance, under-development and from constant conflict which could best be achieved through regional unity of South Asian States.

[/HI]I thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen: May I now revert to the topic of the Seminar and with your permission to make references to our party wherever appropriate.

The title of the conference India and the World: A Blueprint for Partnership and Growth has a welcome optimistic connotation. The themes of the future for the people of South Asia are indeed partnership and growth. Obviously, the first requirement for either to happen is that peace and normalcy must prevail. For much too long, Pakistan and India have been at odds. If we look around, we see unrest in Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh, Afghanistan is still looking for peace.

India and Pakistan, being the two largest in the region, need to demonstrate magnanimity and the necessary political wisdom and desire to truly seek peace. If this be so, it should be possible to pursue a meaningful, sincere and a composite dialogue with an open mind. I wish to take this opportunity to place on record the sincere appreciation of the MQM, and my own. of the recent initiatives by successive Prime Ministers of India, President General Pervez Musharraf and all those who may have been involved or contributed to the same. It is imperative that the current ambience be maintained to enable the process to evolve gradually. We see the approach in first tackling the issue of creation of processes necessary for carrying on the dialogue as a wise one. It is quite clear that the necessary architecture is now slowly but surely falling in place in a manner, which would impart continuity to the dialogue process itself. It is also heartening that a wide-range of outstanding issues is being simultaneously addressed at several levels.

It should be clear to all concerned that there can be no military solution to any of the contentious issues. Let alone the issue of Kashmir. Neither for that matter can resort to militancy and extremism. The mindless loss of lives, endless human rights violations and continuing depletion of developmental resources to deal with civil strife cannot be justified under any circumstances. As a representative of a persecuted minority forced to live in exile and to grieve the loss of colleagues and supporters day after day through extra-judicial processes, I can well understand the agony of the Kashmiris. Over 17,000 Mohajirs have been killed including leaders, supporters and their relatives during army and state operations.

Thousands of Mohajir families have been rendered destitute because either their breadwinners were extra-judicially executed, arbitrarily arrested or forced into hiding or exile. My 66 years old brother Mr Nasir Hussain and his son 28 year old Arif Hussain were unlawfully arrested in the presence of their entire neighborhood. They were brutally tortured for three days and on 9th December 1995 and then extra and then extra judicially executed. Both were non-political citizens of Pakistan.

The total number of casualties in the four wars, including Kargil, was in excess of thirteen thousand. Most estimates suggest that already more than fifty thousand lives have been lost in Jammu and Kashmir alone causing misery and grief to family members, distorting the normal pattern of life and virtually destroying the local economy. Who benefits from all this? Can the people of Pakistan and India afford it? Can they afford the diversion of these resources from their own development programs, health programs and education? Definitely not. [HI]Two million students are being taught currently in about 50,000 madrassas run by right-wing religious parties totally outside Government supervision to promote a medieval ideology leading to the generation of 15-20 thousand new militants every year, year after year. Who will detoxify the society? How will they be reintegrated into the mainstream? I pay tributes to the Muslim leaders and intellectuals of India for maintaining moderation and not pushing the Muslims towards fanaticism and Jihad.

[/HI]Ladies and Gentlemen: The Confidence Building Measures contemplated to bring the people of both countries closer must be implemented vigorously. Let there be free people to people contact. Let there also be cultural and social contacts, sporting contacts, political contacts, economic contacts, and diplomatic contacts to further peace and harmony. Presently, part of the region and therefore her people equally deserve to freely interact with the people of adjoining states of India. However, denial to reopen the Khokrapar Munabao border and Ferry Service between Karachi and Bombay is nothing but stifling the rights of the people of Sindh. The people of Sindh are forced to take an expensive route via Islamabad to obtain to obtain visas and then Lahore to catch the train or the bus. It is now incumbent on the governments of India and Pakistan to re-open the Visa Office in Karachi, which would further better the relationship.

Ladies and Gentlemen: I have recently aired a few thoughts on Realism and Practicalism copies of which are in this hall. I will appreciate your comments on it. The spirit and essence of it is that we must accept the ground reality without blinkers. The reality today is that India and Pakistan are at loggerheads and as a result the region is in turmoil. [HI]Dialogue between India and Pakistan should be pursued in diversity and should not be a hostage to Kashmir issue only.[/HI] Practicalism seeks ways for common or agreed grounds.

When we talk of Kashmir, there are several procedural and allied issues, which crop us. Is it a bilateral issue? Do the people of Kashmir come into the equation? I have a habit of speaking freely without mincing my worlds. I intend continuing to do so and gladly invite my critics to correct me on the credibility and the plausibility of my views, objectively, in India, Pakistan and internationally.

To deal with Kashmir, there has to be a basis or opinions on which the talks could take place. What could those options be? In the recently talked about Chenab Formula an option? Is Dixon Plan an option? Could formalization of the Line of control be an option? Are there any more options that we may not know about? [HI]We also talk about the UN Resolutions, could they be enforced? If it was enforceable, why has it not been enforced in the past?[/HI] What have Tashkent and Simla Agreements and the Lahore Declaration yielded?

Practicalism and Pragmatism call for acceptance of what is in existence or has been in existence instead of arbitrary new ideas. I understand that the people of Kashmir are also aspiring for independence, even for this option, negotiation has to take place. Negotiation is the primary condition for all options. [HI]The Line of Control could well be used as the basis to begin negotiations by virtue of being a ground reality, which has existed for the past three decades. I am saying, use this as a basis or option to begin talks until such a time that a practicable alternative option is found. What is wrong with it? If both countries resolve that crossing this line would be considered as aggression, doesnt it in lay mens terms amount to an international border? If not, what is an international border?
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And, if this is not an option then what options are we left with, another war? We have fought three wards over Kashmir, the governments may have achieved political victories and defeats, but what did the people achieve? Body bags of the soldiers and civilians, more widows and orphans, more taxes, contribution to war funds poverty and backwardness. And, if we remain intransigent and squander this opportunity, the cost to be paid in the long term could be horrid. Before I go further I would like to quote the Prayer of St. Francis of Assisi (1181), Where there is hatred, let me sow love.

On the spirit of this prayer I would like to request both the countries India and Pakistan, to stop sowing the seeds of hatred and start sowing the seeds of love.

My plan is to let good sense and logic prevail and to let our peoples prosper. Let us divert critically required funds from defence to social and economic sectors. Our children need education; our villages need clean drinking water, electricity, medical care, everywhere there is a crying need for employment, better civic amenities and transport facilities etc. Let common sense prevail over arrogance and political expediencies. Let us arm our children with education, health and hygiene than nuclear bombs and missile. I applaud President General Pervez Musharraf for making a bold and courageous statement discarding plebiscite as an option. I had always maintained that it was never a practicable or implementable option.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The United States of America, now the unipolar power of the world and her western allies have historically supported the dictatorial and monarchical rulers in the developing world for their short term gains and opposed moderate, liberal and enlightened Middle Class, as their sustained foreign policy. Their policies and mind set have always been Election centric. They failed to calculate the long-term repercussion of their foreign policies.

These authoritarian and monarchical rulers deliberately promoted religious, sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism on the strength of the unbridled support of the west to protect their rules. Oppressed their people produced Osama-bin-laden, Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussain. And, now to rein in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US and her allies has to wage a global war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq. As a result of these wars, thousands of innocent people are being killed and millions of people are facing the wrath for no fault of theirs but their rulers. Infliction of atrocities is resulting in psycho reactionary actions amongst millions. It is now essential for the US and her western allies to review their policies, they should now support and nurture the modern, enlightened Middle Class who are capable of dismantling the religious, sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism and establish genuine democracies which would be mutually beneficial for their people and the West. In case of Pakistan, the historical and sustained support of Feudal-Mullah-military alliance by the United States and West has already proved negative and has permeated rampant corruption, bad governance, denial of rights to smaller province, illiteracy, impoverishment, unemployment, frustration amongst general populace and above all the religious sectarian and ethno-linguistic fanaticism and violence.

South Asian countries in general and India and Pakistan in particular need do no more than draw lessons from Europe, whose post-wart history is roughly the same length as our two nations. The European Union, which emerged out of the dictates of the economic well being of its people and the desire to fully actualize their individual potential in a collective manner, is a live demonstration of the possibilities that can be envisaged by the dynamic minds of visionary leaders. [HI]We should yearn for the day when we have a Common Union, perhaps even a Common currency while maintaining our sovereignties and dignities intact. [/HI]We have the SAARC more in form than in content due to the rancor, which has blinded us.

South Asia remains of the most integrated regions of the world. We are looking forward to the implementation of the SAFTA (South Asia free Trade Agreement) in January 2006 as outlined in the SAARC declaration of January 2004 in Islamabad. The creation of a free trade zone along with some degree of economic integration of SAARC countries could turn the region into a huge regional economic market, second only to China in terms of size. If futuristically developed along with a network of roads and railway connections to South East Asia and Central Asia the future of our seceding generations would indeed be bright. Restrictions on bilateral trade have forced both countries to import goods from third countries, which could have been traded for more economically and efficiently from each other. Indo-Pak trade would ensure cheaper raw material, low transportation, less insurance costs etc resulting in potential for quality products at competitive prices for consumers in both countries and larger markets for manufacturers.

Having resolved the external issues, South Asian countries in general need to put their houses in order. They should stop discriminations on the basis of ethnicity, religion or descent. I request the Government of Pakistan to recognize and indemnify all the religious and ethno-linguistic and minorities and treat them equally to foster a sense of ethnic linguistic pluralism and nationalism. All the Governments in the past have deliberately strengthened ethno-linguistic particularism in Pakistan under the rubrics of majority and power. In democracy, only the members should not count. A state becomes successful only when it is truly able to accommodate the aspirations and the needs of its minorities. [HI]Pakistan should genuinely strive to devolve power to the provinces making them fully autonomous, reserving for the Federal administration only Defence, Foreign Affairs and Currency.[/HI] If the Federation of the United States of America can remain stronger by having fully autonomous states then why should one assume that Federation of Pakistan would weaken if the provinces have fully autonomous status?
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Mainstream political forces, including the MQM, equipped with liberal and progressive ideological underpinnings have the capability of transforming Pakistan into a democratic and progressive state at peace with itself and its neighbors. They can deliver good governance, an independent judiciary and freedom of the media.

[HI]The purpose of this conference is to discuss and prepare a "Road Map" for the economic, strategic and political future of India in relation to the world and the regional countries[/HI]. To attain this objective we should find out the "Key" to achieve positive results, which is peace in the South Asia region. The region is the first gate to be opened for, and then we should proceed to open the second gate, which is the World. The word "Peace" is catalyst to positivism, success, prosperity, harmony, better economy, better understanding and relations with their neighbors.

If the regional countries have peace and better relations then it would ultimately draw the remaining world towards the region. The peace is the only and only "Key" through which India could have improved and long lasting relations with the world but for this peace has to be established in the region first. The benefits that could be drawn by the South Asian Countries including Pakistan through peace could never be achieved through the use of nuclear weapons, atom bombs, chemical and biological weapons and a massive army. India and Pakistan have considered each other as enemies since independence but now to achieve the sacred objective of peace, better and long-lasting relations, both countries have to engage in a meaningful and sincere dialogue and cease all hostilities against each other.

Finally, I think South Asia needs to have a comprehensive human rights code that protects the people from unbridled state power. Freedom from poverty, hunger, illiteracy and provision of basic services be part of the human rights of the people of the sub-continent and our governments should be promoting an environment in which the people of the sub-continent achieve what people of other regions have achieved through peace and co-operation.

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الطاف حسین کو پاکستان کا غدار کہنے والے شرمندہ ہوں

جس طرح عمران خان نے سیاق و سباق سے ہٹ کر الطاف حسین کی تقریر پیش کی تھی، اور جس طرح عمران کے حمایتیوں اور دیگر مخالفین نے اس کو بہانہ بنا کر الطاف حسین کو پاکستان کا غدار کہا تھا، ان سب کو اس غلط الزام پر شرمندہ ہونا چاہیے اور توبہ کرنی چاہیے۔ اللہ کا شکر ہے کہ سچ اپنی مکمل حالت میں سب کے سامنے آ گیا ہے اور اب کسی میں اپنے الزامات ثابت کرنے کے لیے الزامات لانے کی سکت ہے تو سامنے لائے۔

اس سے قبل تفصیل سے اس اعتراض کا جواب دیا جا چکا تھا اور اُس وقت بھی اسکا کوئی جواب نہ دیا گیا تھا۔


الطاف حسین صاحب نے انڈیا میں تقریر کرتے ہوئے پاکستان کے قیام کو‫ ‏‏‏Division of Blood‏ قرار دیا۔

اس کو بنیاد بناتے ہوئے مخالفین نے الطاف بھائی اور پوری متحدہ پر فتوی جاری کر دیا کہ یہ لوگ پاکستان کے غدار ہیں۔


ان لوگوں کی بے ایمانی کے انہوں نے تقریر کا صرف ایک ٹکڑا پیش کیا اور اس سے اگلا ٹکڑا بالکل حذف کر گئے جس میں الطاف بھائی پاکستان کے بارے میں اپنا پورا مؤقف انڈیا کو بتاتے ہوئے ہندوستانیوں کو کہتے ہیں کہ مگر اب انڈیا اور پاکستان دو الگ ملک اور حقیقتیں ہیں اور دونوں کو ایک دوسرے کو پڑوسی ملک کے قبول کر لینا چاہیے اور آپس میں لڑائیاں جنگیں کرنے کی بجائے امن و امان قائم کر کے بھوکی ننگی قوم کی فلاح و بھلائی کے لیے ترقیاتی کام کرنے چاہیے ہیں۔


تو افسوس ہے ان مخالفین کے ان اوچھے ہتھکنڈوں کے استعمال پر جب وہ تقریر کا اگلا حصہ بالکل حذف کر جاتے ہیں کیونکہ یہ ٹکڑا ان کے شیطانی جھوٹے الزامی پروپیگنڈے کا قلع قمع کر رہا تھا کہ الطاف بھائی پاکستان کو مٹا دینا چاہتے ہیں۔


اعتراض: مگر کیا پاکستان کے قیام کو غلط اور اسے ‫Division of Blood کہنا دو قومی نظریے اور پاکستان سے غداری نہیں؟


مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ جبتک آپ دوسرے کے مؤقف کو پوری طرح سمجھ نہ لیں، اُس وقت تک اس پر کوئی فیصلہ جاری نہ کریں، بلکہ بہتر ہے کہ اُس شخص کو پہلے اپنے صفائی پیش کرنے دیں، اور صرف اسکے بعد کوئی فیصلہ کریں۔ یہ چیز انصاف کے سب سے پہلے تقاضوں میں ہے کہ انسان کو اپنی صفائی پیش کرنے کا پورا موقع دیا جائے۔

دیکھئے پاکستان کا قیام صحیح تھا نہ غلط، بلکہ حقیقت میں یہ ہمارے لیے ایک بطور مسلم قوم "ایک امتحان" تھا۔ پاکستان کا حصول ایک "مقصد" کے لیے کیا گیا تھا۔


افسوس کہ ہم اس امتحان میں ابھی تک قائد اعظم و شاعر مشرق کے پاکستان کے خواب کے مطابق کامیاب نہیں ہو پائے، اور نہ وہ مقصد حاصل کر سکے جس کے لیے ہمارے بزرگوں نے پاکستان بنانے کا فیصلہ کیا تھا۔ اگر واقعی ہم اس مقصد میں کامیاب ہو پاتے اور پاکستان میں انصاف و ترقی کا دور دورہ ہوتا، اور دوسرے اقوام ہمیں دیکھ کر رشک کرتیں، تو یقینا ہم اپنے مقصد میں کامیاب قرار پاتے۔


مگر یہ سب کچھ نہ ہو پایا۔ ایک معاشرہ کسی بھی نظریے سے پہلے "انصاف" مانگتا ہے۔ آپ اگر یہ انصاف مہیا نہیں کرتے تو چاہے آپ لاکھ مذہب کے نام پر دو قومی نظریہ معاشرے کو گھول کر پلانا چاہیں، مگر معاشرہ اس کو رد کر دے گا۔


چنانچہ سب سے پہلے بنگلہ دیش کے کڑوڑوں مسلمان اس انصاف کی نافراہمی پر دو قومی نظریے کو رد کرتے ہوئے الگ ہو گئے۔
بتلائیے کہ کیا اب ان کڑوڑوں بنگالی مسلمانوں پر آپ غداری کا الزام لگاتے ہوئے مقدمہ چلائیں گے؟

نہیں۔ بلکہ آپ کو یہاں دو قومی نظریے سے اختلاف رائے کی آزادی دینا ہو گی۔

سوال: کیا کڑوڑوں انڈین مسلمان بھی پاکستان کے غدار ہیں؟


پاکستان کی تحریک میں سب سے بڑھ چڑھ کر حصہ اُن علاقوں کے مسلمانوں نے لیا جو آج انڈیا کا حصہ ہیں۔ اور انہی علاقوں کے مسلمانوں نے پاکستان کے لیے سب سے زیادہ قربانیاں پیش کیں۔

چنانچہ انڈین مسلمانوں کی پرانی نسل بھرپور طریقے سے پاکستانی کی حامی تھی اور اسی کی کثیر اکثریت نے پاکستان کے قیام کے حق میں ووٹ دیا۔


پھر پاکستان بنا، اور ان انڈین مسلمانوں کی آبادی کا صرف ایک قلیل حصہ ہجرت کر کے پاکستان آ سکا۔ اور حالت یہ کہ ماں باپ انڈیا میں ہیں تو بیٹی داماد و بچے پاکستان میں۔ ایک بھائی پاکستان میں ہے تو بہن انڈیا میں۔ اور دوران ہجرت کئی لاکھ انڈین مسلمان اپنی جانوں کا نذرانہ پیش کرتے ہیں۔


مگر پھر آہستہ آہستہ انہی انڈین مسلمانوں کی سوچ میں تبدیلی آنا شروع ہوتی ہے۔ ان انڈین مسلمانوں کی نئی نسلیں دیکھتی ہیں کہ جس پاکستان کے لیے ان کے بزرگوں نے اتنی قربانیاں دیں، وہ پاکستان ترقی کی منازل طے کرنے کی بجائے نفرتوں کا شکار ہے، تو انکے دلوں پر بجلی گرتی ہے۔


انڈیا کے یہ کڑوڑوں مسلمان یہ آس لگائے بیٹھے تھے پاکستان معاشی اور اقتصادی طور پر اتنا مضبوط ہو جائے گا کہ انتہا پسند ہندؤوں کو انڈین مسلمانوں کی طرف آنکھ اٹھا کر دیکھنے کی ہمت نہ ہو گی۔ مگر یہاں معاملہ ہوتا ہے کہ پاکستانی مسلمانوں کو اپنے انڈین مسلمانوں کی رتی بھر پرواہ نہیں۔ اب انڈین مسلمان کو انتہا پسند ہندؤوں کے ہاتھوں نہ صرف مسلمان ہونے کے گناہ کا عذاب سہنا پڑتا ہے، بلکہ پاکستان دوستی کے گناہ کا عذاب بھی سہنا پڑتا ہے۔ ہندو انتہا پسند ان انڈین مسلمانوں پر ظلم و ستم کے پہاڑ ڈھاتے ہیں مگر پاکستانی مسلمان اپنے بھائیوں کی مدد کے لیے نہیں آتے۔


اور آج صورتحال یہ ہے کہ انڈیا کے مسلمانوں کی نئی نسل اسی پاکستان کے قیام کو غلط مان رہی ہے کہ جس کے قیام کے لیے اُن کے بزرگوں نے اتنی قربانیاں دیں۔


آج جب آپ ایک انڈین مسلمان سے ملیں گے تو وہ آپ کو یہ کیلکولیشن کرتا نظر آئے گا کہ اگر پاکستان نہ بنا ہوتا، اور انڈیا کے 16 کڑوڑ، پاکستان کے 18 کڑوڑ اور بنگلہ دیش کے 16 کڑوڑ مسلمان یکجا ہوتے تو یہ کل 50 کڑوڑ مسلمان بنتے ہیں اور پھر کسی ہندو انتہا پسند کی مجال نہ ہوتی کہ وہ مسلمانوں کا معاشی یا تعلیمی استحصال کریں اور فسادات میں انکا قتل عام کریں۔ چنانچہ یہ کڑوڑوں انڈین مسلمان آج پاکستان کے قیام کو غلطی قرار دے رہے ہیں۔
کیا آپ ان کڑوڑوں انڈین مسلمانوں کو بھی پاکستان کا غدار ہونے کا الزام دیں گے؟

زمینی حقائق بہت تلخ ہیں۔ ہمیں بطور قوم اپنی آنکھیں کھولنے کی ضرورت ہے۔

بہت ضروری ہے کہ بجائے دوسروں کو غدار کہہ کر اپنا دشمن بنانے کے، ہم یہ ہنر سیکھیں کہ دشمنوں کو کیسے دوست بنایا جاتا ہے۔ یہ انڈیا کے کڑوڑوں مسلمان پاکستان کے ہرگز دشمن اور غدار نہیں ہیں بلکہ وقت پڑنے پر یہ ہندووں کی جگہ اپنے پاکستانی مسلمان بھائیوں کے ہی ساتھ ہوں گے اور انکے لیے قربانیاں دے رہے ہوں گے۔



دو قومی نظریہ 1951 میں ہجرت کی بندش پر پہلی بار اپنی موت مرا

بات تو ہے رسوائی کی، مگر انسان کو اپنے آپ سے سچ بولنا چاہیے۔

پاکستان بنا دو قومی نظریہ کی بنیاد پر جس کے مطابق برصغیر کے تمام مسلمانوں کے لیے ایسی ریاست کا قیام مقصود تھا جہاں وہ اپنے مذہبی فرائض انجام دے سکیں۔

اور اس پاکستان کے لیے سب سے گرمجوش اور متحرک تحریک چلائی ہندوستان کے مسلمانوں نے۔

مگر یہ دو قومی نظریہ اپنی پہلی موت اُس وقت مرا جب 1951 میں انڈین مسلمانوں پر پاکستان آنے پر مکمل بندش لگا دی گئی، اور یہ پاکستان 1951 کے بعد انڈین مسلمانوں کا نہیں رہا بلکہ صرف پاکستانی مسلمانوں کا بن کر رہ گیا۔

نتیجہ کیا ہوا؟

نتیجہ یہ کہ مہاجروں کے آدھے خاندان ادھر، اور آدھے خاندان اُدھر۔ خون کی ایک نا مٹنے والی مستقل تقسیم۔ اور یہ تقسیم کرنے والے خود پاکستانی۔

وجہ یہ بیان کی جاتی ہے کہ پاکستان اتنی بڑی تعداد میں مسلمان مہاجرین کا بوجھ نہیں اٹھا سکتا۔

ہو سکتا ہے کہ یہ زمینی حقائق کے مطابق بالکل صحیح وجہ ہو، مگر پھر اس بات کو مان لینے میں کا عار کہ برصغیر کی تقسیم اس لیے زمینی حقائق کے مطابق غلطی تھی کہ دو نظریہ پر قائم ہونے والی یہ مسلمان ریاست کبھی بھی انڈین مسلمانوں کا بوجھ نہیں اٹھا سکتی تھی اور نتیجے میں انڈیا کے کڑوڑوں مسلمانوں کو کئی دھائیوں یا صدیوں تک پاکستان بنانے کی سزا انتہا پسند ہندوؤں کے ہاتھوں اٹھانا تھی۔



دو قومی نظریہ کی دوسری موت: مشرقی پاکستان کا علیحدہ ہو کر بنگلہ دیش بن جانا

بات ہے رسوائی کی، مگر زمینی حقیقت یہ ہی تھی کہ دو قومی نظریہ مشرقی اور مغربی پاکستان کو اکھٹا نہیں رکھ سکا، اور اسکی دوسری موت ہوئی 1972 میں جب مشرقی پاکستان جدا ہو کر بنگلہ دیش بن گیا۔

لوگوں کو اس سے واقعہ سے بہت اہم سبق سیکھنا چاہیے۔
دو قومی نظریہ کی تیسری موت: محصورین پاکستان کی بنگلہ دیش کے کیمپوں سے واپسی کا انکار

اس دو قومی نظریہ کی تیسری موت ہوئی جب 1972 سے لیکر آج تک پاکستان کے انتہائی وفادار بہاری پاکستانی مسلمان بنگہ دیش کی کیمپوں میں سڑ رہے ہیں۔ انکے آدھے خاندان آج تک کراچی میں پڑے انکی واپسی کے لیے نوحہ خواں ہیں، مگر کوئی انکا نوحہ سننے والا نہیں۔

گستاخی معاف کہ اگر کوشش کے باوجود بھی کوئی لسانی بات ہو جائے، مگر حقیقت حال کا ادراک بھی لازمی، اور حقیقت یہ کہ کراچی کی بات آتی ہے تو پشتون بھائی کہتے ہیں کراچی پر انکا بھی حق ہے، بلوچ بھائی کہتے ہیں کراچی پر انکا بھی حق ہے، پنجابی بھائی کہتے ہیں کراچی پر انکا بھی حق ہے، سندھی بھائی تو خیر سمجھتے ہی کراچی کو اپنا ہیں اور باقیوں کو قبضہ گروپ جانتے ہیں۔

مگر جب ان بھائیوں کے سامنے بنگلہ دیش میں کیمپوں میں سڑتے وفادار بہاری پاکستانی مسلمانوں کی واپسی کا سوال اٹھایا جائے تو سب سے پہلے اے این پی غصے سے چیخنا چلانا شروع کر دیتی ہے، بلوچ و سندھی جماعتیں بھی پیچھے نہیں رہتیں، پنجاب میں غلام حیدر وائیں مرحوم نے سنجیدہ کوشش کی تھی کہ ان محصورین پاکستان کی مدد کی جائے، مگر صوبے کی اکثریت انکے فعل کے خلاف تھی۔

نتیجہ یہ کہ یہ محصورین پاکستان آج بھی ان کیمپوں میں سڑ رہے ہیں اور انکے آدھے خاندان کراچی میں پڑے اپنے ان پیاروں کے غم میں بلک رہے ہین۔ نہ کوئی مسیحا ہے اور نہ کوئی حال پوچھنے والا۔

ایک اور نتیجہ بھی ہے، اور وہ یہ کہ دو قومی نظریہ اس موقع پر آ کر اپنی تیسری موت مرا۔

کاش کہ ہمارے بھائی الطاف حسین کو غدار وطن اور ملک توڑنے کے جھوٹے الزامات لگانے کی بجائے ان زمینی حقائق کو سمجھ سکیں۔ امین۔





 
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IndiaGuy

Senator (1k+ posts)
KARACHI: Altaf Hussain appealed Indian leaders to give asylum to Mohajir

KARACHI: Chief of Muttahida Qaumi Movement Altaf Hussain on Tuesday appealed Indian leaders to give asylum to Mohajir community of Pakistan, ARY NEWS reports.

He asked if the 1992-like operation was started against MQM, will the Indian leaders provide asylum to us?

In his telephonic speech from London to a gathering of party workers at Lal Qila ground, the MQM chief has the Indian leaders Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh such a big heart to accept at least five crore Moharar people who are facing discriminatory attitude here.

He condemned the violent incidents in Karachi, saying that the government has failed.

People of Kasba colony were killed sans any mistake. Where were police, Rangers and Sindh government at that timemost of those killed were innocent people, he said, adding that

Peace in Karachi was deliberately destroyed my miscreant elements.

Altaf said that the government has failed to overcome the situation in Karachi and demanded that army and Rangers should come to control the law and order. The action should even be taken against MQM if it is involved in the violence, he said.

The MQM chief claimed that his faction is not against any community.

We are not against anybody; we neither are against Pashtoons and nor against Punjabis, but MQM is against feudal system and those who looted wealth of this country.

Source : http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f13/altaf-hussain-appeals-india-asylum-mohajirs-9731/
 

Unicorn

Banned
Re: Altaf appeals India for asylum to Mohajirs

Why so much love for them? What is the agenda? Why don't you ask Sonia to accept Altaf Bhai back?

I have neither love or hate for them. It is not up to Sonia to accept or reject plus he is already in a much better country.
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: ALTAF Full Speech in India. Traitor or Patriot?

A very impressive thread.........Congratulation to the thread poster and the participants......(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

In Month of Ramadhan, I am sure this would be our prime duty to keep cursing our brothers and Sisters.

And on the top of that Historical moments of Pakistan foundation is almost in few days time, this will make more elegant issue, to keep creating such nice neat and clean atmosphere.

Appreciate, you guys are awesome.

In fact would you guys recommend on the Independence day, I will open Forum for all type of "MAA-BEHAN each other" threads, so that will really keep you guys more pleased and Satisfied.

What a great way to CELEBRATe "Ramadhan" & "Independence Day"

Janab RAMADAN sai bhi ziada Yeahan tak kai BAIT ULLAH ki hurmat kai barabar
Aik musalman ki JAN aur MAAL ki hurmat hai.
Aur jo log KARACHI mai Musalmanoon ki JAAN aur MAAL sai issi ramadhan kai mahiney mai khail rahey hain.
Balkey 1984 sai khail rahey hain.
Un ko phooloon kai haar pehnahain kiya?
Eman ka sab sai kamzoor darja kissi BURAI KO DIL MAI BURA JANNA hai
Aur sab sai AFZAL darja BURAI ko HAATH sai rookna hai.
Darmiana darja Emaan ka yeah hai kai us ko zuban sai rooka jaye.

Kam az kam GOONH ko GOONH kehney ki HIMMAT honi cahyea.
Aur lasaniat zada insaan ko tow NABI SAW nai bhi kaha hai
"WOH HAM MAI SAI NAHI HAI"



 

nasirzaman

Senator (1k+ posts)
to all haters of mqm and all lovers of mqm ko meri terf se ramazan or jushne azadi mubarakh ho.mqm zindabad pakistan zindabad musalman zindabad.(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)