DISCUSSION ON THE BLASPHEMOUS MOVIE ON PROPHET SAW, Its REAL MOTIVES and Our RESPONSE

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Any other party leader than Imran Khan who condement blasphemy movie ?

Altaf Hussain did condemn, 2 days earlier. He even wrote telegram to Obama and co

 

mr.pti

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Imran Khan only and first muslim leader called upon OIC to take action against blasphemous movie ( how long before NS will do the same ? i bet 1 day )

yepp for u this is nonsense since ur masters does not like this.

IK stands with shia's he is the speaking against killings from day 1 and were do u got info that taliban killed shia ?? Are u so dumb *** stupid person who cant understand whats going on ? Taliban are figting against USA and Pakistan since they see Pakistan as American rented nation. Can you show there agenda of killing shia's ??? This is not only happening in Pakistan , it happend in Iraq now lebanon and libya also in Syria. Use ur fat brain to understand why.

What IK said about war on terror is not only followed now by Nawaz Sharif but also Americans too. U been fighting for 10 years what have u gained ? Noting so now we have to sitt down and look at other options as peace talks with Kabali who will kick out these taliban terrorist who mostly are arabs, uzbek etc

Stop this nonsense.

I think IK should ask Taliban to stop killing Shia and other innocent Paksitanis. Taliban might listen to him because Sheikh Rasheed alreay begged Mullah Umar to welcome IK.

When Taliban bomb mosques or school they burn Quran too. why our leaders do not condemn those who are burnining quran in our own country. We have hundreds of Terry Jones living in North Waziristan.
 

mr.pti

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Any other party leader than Imran Khan who condement blasphemy movie ?

lol why no live interview as he use too ? But since he did its good. What about others ?
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: DISCUSSION ON THE BLASPHEMOUS MOVIE ON PROPHET SAW And REAL MOTIVES

:lol::lol::lol::lol: hindu aur sikhon ke baat kr k tum khud he phans rhay ho..jantay nai sirf 1 lafz kehnay pe kitnay muslims shaheed hotay hen ya tum pe media ke patti bandhi h? christians pe i think aisi koi movie nai bnaye gye..becoz sab websites aur media pe control bhi unka h es lye aisi video aa nai sakti.aur finally yahoodion k to mazhab to door ke baat tum halocast(I know spells are incorrect)pe bat krnay pe jail ja saktay ho

A Sikh gurdwara in Wisconsin was attacked and many Sikhs were killed by that white supremacist racist gunman. Was the US Embassy in New Delhi attacked and burned to the ground??!!

HAS ANY HINDU OR SIKH AROUND THE WORLD ATTACKED AN EMBASSY??? No! Invalid point you make!

yeh koi mazaq walee baat nahin! hanstey aisey ho jaisay yeh "my violence is better than your violence" ka khel hai!

aur rahee baat christians ya yahoodis ki, lagta hai aap ney kabhi George Carlin k standup, Monty Python series, Bill Maher ki film Religulous, etc etc kabhi suni bhi nahin.

bas aap ki nazar mein yeh sirf aur sirf "Islam k khilaaf sazish hai" ya "Qadiyani conspiracy" bhee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/film-protests-sudan-idUSL5E8KECE820120914
Protesters try to storm German, British embassies in Sudan





KHARTOUM, Sept 14 | Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:03am EDT



(Reuters) - Sudan's police fired teargas on Friday to stop about 5,000 demonstrators storming the German and British embassies to protest against an anti-Islam film, a Reuters witness said.


Protesters hurled stones at the two embassies which are next to each other in Khartoum and tried storming the main gates, a witness said

read the comments on Reddit on how much our very acts PROVE the stereotype of being violent savages that have the temper of a 4 year old kid!!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zvg3p/protesters_try_to_storm_german_british_embassies/

I was gonna ask: What does the German or English embassy (or any American embassy) in Sudan have anything to do with a crappy movie privately-made in some guy's basement in California? But then I remembered this is the same crowd that's going apeshit over a crappy movie privately-made in some guy's basement in California.
 
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masoodabbaspk

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Any other party leader than Imran Khan who condement blasphemy movie ?

Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W., the Last Messenger with the Lasting Message, was sent by the Almighty as a mercy for both the worlds...this and the hereafter...!

The West has to understand and respect the feelings of the Muslim Ummah - Sanctity of our Beloved Prophet S.A.W., being dearer than life for a Muslim, is a highly emotional matter...
Any blasphemy attempt towards our beloved Prophet S.A.W., to me, is not less than playing with fire!!!

The whole Ummah strongly condemns the shameful desecretion attempts by certain rogue elements, under the guise of 'freedom of expression'... SS


Shahbaz sharif message
 

Awais Afzal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: DISCUSSION ON THE BLASPHEMOUS MOVIE ON PROPHET SAW And REAL MOTIVES

Oh u beleive in movies..that's gr8 sign na to hindu pe kabhi film bnaye christans ne jo wo american embassy ko attack krtay.aur sikhon ko kisi american ne kuch kaha..han albata 1 baat clear ho gye k aap ko english philospher aur movie makers pe bohat beleive h.yehe to baaat to pehlay men keh chuka hn k media k naqaab utaar k bhi kuch dekh lia kro..men ne ye tow nai kaha k qadianon ke saazish h..men tow ye keh rha hn k wo twitter pe aur blogs pe muslmanon k jzbaat ko bhrkaa rhay hen aur kuch nahi.ab tuim kaho gay wo kesay to j tum kr rhay ho ese trha.
A Sikh gurdwara in Wisconsin was attacked and many Sikhs were killed by that white supremacist racist gunman. Was the US Embassy in New Delhi attacked and burned to the ground??!!

HAS ANY HINDU OR SIKH AROUND THE WORLD ATTACKED AN EMBASSY??? No! Invalid point you make!

yeh koi mazaq walee baat nahin! hanstey aisey ho jaisay yeh "my violence is better than your violence" ka khel hai!

aur rahee baat christians ya yahoodis ki, lagta hai aap ney kabhi George Carlin k standup, Monty Python series, Bill Maher ki film Religulous, etc etc kabhi suni bhi nahin.

bas aap ki nazar mein yeh sirf aur sirf "Islam k khilaaf sazish hai" ya "Qadiyani conspiracy" bhee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/film-protests-sudan-idUSL5E8KECE820120914


read the comments on Reddit on how much our very acts PROVE the stereotype of being violent savages that have the temper of a 4 year old kid!!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/zvg3p/protesters_try_to_storm_german_british_embassies/

I was gonna ask: What does the German or English embassy (or any American embassy) in Sudan have anything to do with a crappy movie privately-made in some guy's basement in California? But then I remembered this is the same crowd that's going apeshit over a crappy movie privately-made in some guy's basement in California.
 

PM ImranKhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

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if anyone have experience to make film . if he make on holocaust and upload it on youtube. then we will see how they arrest terry jones and his companions. its the best solution
 
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SMAAS

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

Agreed, best solution two prove double standard of western countries.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

Dont do it. Wrong can not be corrected with another wrong. There are many Jews who oppose that movie so act rationally. You should do to other what you want others to do to you. Were Muslims not Zionists.
 

kashif83

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

Idea is good, but then u wil be taking the risk of being dubbed as terrorist, picked up by the CIA, adding to list of missing persons
 

PM ImranKhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

vitamin u r absolutely right. some years before i was in denmark i was working behind the Jyland Posten(who publish first time cartoon) newspapers office. i have soft corner about this topic that why we become extreme. that they r small number of people why we blame all denmark. but after i understand . their treatment is to hit them hard. donot come in defence. Be depend QURAN and Hadees of Muhammad(PBUH). ALLAH logo ko azmata hai. kam wo jis sa chaha la
 

PM ImranKhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

Kashif83 i have listen one waqaia in which one shahbi did. summerize is that for to kill prophet enemy(who is againt our beloved prophet) u can shaveif u have beared , u can show that u leave islam, what so ever u can do it all guarantee by muhammad PBUH
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is responsibility of every Muslim

I am crying non stop since I saw few clips of this blasphemic movie against Prophet of Islam SAW. It is hurtening but I still request every brother and sister to remain calm and send 'youtube' a request by making a call or sending an email to take all those clips of this movie 'off air'.

Youtube admin numbers are:

[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]

Here are potential other contacts; I checked the phone number and it works:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

PHONE: 1-650-343-2960
FAX: 1-650-253-0001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBwYTWe9lJA
 
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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: DISCUSSION ON THE BLASPHEMOUS MOVIE ON PROPHET SAW And REAL MOTIVES

[h=2]How should Muslims respond to the hateful movie “Innocence of Muslims”? – by Mahdi Baloch[/h] Islamophobes in the West made the hateful movie, their partners (Takfiri Salafist-Deobandi militants) in Muslim countries cashed in on the opportunity.


The Quran states explicitly that no soul shall be responsible for the sins or the crimes of another. And while this film (Innocence of Muslims) is indeed offensive, and those who have produced and circulated this have done this deliberately to offend Muslims and most probably to strengthen Takfiri Salafists in Muslim communities, innocent people must not be hurt and violent acts must not be done in the name of religion of peace (Islam).


Every Muslim must explicitly condemn the brutal murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other American personnel by Takfiri Salafists in Benghazi. Those groups who are describing such attacks as isolated incidents are doing a disservice not only to the USA and Muslims but also to the world at large. The Benghazi tragedy has exposed the fault-lines of the US reliance on Saudi Arabia and Saudi-sponsored Salafists to instal Islamist governments in Egypt, Libya and other countries in the disguise of democratization.


I agree in principle with the US president Obama’s remarks: “While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose this kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.”


We live in an interconnected and diverse world. If people pass judgment on other cultures and religions we end up paving the way for conflict and disputes. It’s, therefore, not difficult to understand why the director of the hateful movie came up with the movie in the first place. He was intentionally insensitive to the feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims. Perhaps he, and the secretive sponsors and financiers of the hateful movie, were working in tandem with the Takfiri Salafists in Egypy, Libya, Tunisia and other countries. Not only is the movie weak from a technical perspective and full of historical mistakes, but also it propagates hatred and only strengthens the Takfiri Salafists, Deobandis and other radicals in Muslim countries and communities. The movie insults Islam and aids Al Qaeda, Taliban and Sipah-e-Sahaba. It intent and effect are toxic. (Source)


Suggested reaction to the hateful movie:

(1) Simply ignore it

(2) take legal action

(3) make good quality movies on the Prophet (pbuh)

(4) More importantly, our best reaction towards the demeaning movie of Prophet Mohammed should be by following his life and spread his word to everyone.


In pursuit of the third option above, we may spread what a Jewish lady is saying about Prophet Muhammad.


In the following clip, world renowned speaker Lesley Hazleton covers a range of topics focusing around Islam and Muslims in this age, including history and beliefs, media perceptions, to radicalization, and even insight into human nature.


Lesley Hazleton: “Prophet Muhammad: Where did humanity go wrong?”



The talk is about the extremism on both sides of Islamo fascist fundamentalists (e.g., Takfiri Salafists and Takfiri Deobandis) and the Islamophobes (e.g., Salman Rushdie, Tarek Fatah, Asra Nomani, Terry Jones etc); she argues for the idea of dialogue and understanding in Quran and the Prophet’s (PBUH) life.


A few points from the talk:

1. More we read and understand about the Prophet, we understand more about human being than his own life.

2. We need to understand how it was to be Muhammad in 7th century? What shaped the radical impact of his message and let’s ask what role Prophet played at the stage of history?

3. What we know for sure is Muhammad himself would be nothing but utterly repelled and dismayed and outraged by what has been and still being said by the terrorists and extremists in his name and in the name of God.

4. Teachings of Quran and Prophet Muhammad call for compassion, mercy and forgiveness.

5. Religion is not about living at the extremes, not being God but as taught by the prophet himself “to be fully human”


When she says fundamentalist, she clearly meant it in the way it is usually taken today, and not the literal etymological meaning. She meant Takfiri Salafists and Takfiri Deobandis of Al Qaida and other extremist groups (Taliban, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Muslim Brotherhood etc), which is evident since she used the word fundamentalists and al qaida interchangably. On the other hand she is advocating the basic and fundamental teachings of the Prophet.


Reverting to the hateful movie, it’s now clear that Takfiri Salafists in Arab countries (aided by Salafi Wahhabi channels in Egypt and other Arab Middle East countries) translated and propagated the hateful movie for political mileage.


Islamophobbes such as Salman Rushdie, Tarek Fatah, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and Islmaofascists such as Takfiri Salafists work in tandem. Both groups need each other, both thrive on fear, both are equally vile.


Just as the acts of Shia genocide in Pakistan by a handful of Takfiri Deobandis and Takfiri Salafists cannot be attributed to entire Sunni population, it is wrong to blame all Americans or all Christians or Jews for the hateful movie.


Muslim clerics (both Sunni and Shia) and activists should keep their anti-film protests peaceful and non-violent.

Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims should not participate in violent anti-movie protests by Takfiri Salafi-Deobandi militants. They must not fall into the Salafist trap by participating in stereotyping, violence and xenophobia.


Last but not least, read the following wise words by Russ Wellen who rightly explains that Takfiri Salafist-Deobandi extremists and Paster Terry Jones, Tarek Fatah, Salman Rushdie type characters are two sides of the same coin. Both groups feed on hatred and fear of each other. Mainstream Americans, Arabs, Pakistanis, Muslims, Christians, Sunni, Shia etc must ignore and reject both groups.


Russ Wellen writes
:

The cold, dead hand of Salafi extremism was once again on display in Benghazi.

According to Robert Worth of the New York Times, “the attack on the American Embassy in Cairo — unlike the one that killed [Ambassador to Libya Christopher] Stevens — appears to have been spontaneous, led by Egyptians genuinely angered by news of the film clip, distributed on YouTube, which portrays the Prophet Muhammad as a confused, bloodthirsty pedophile of uncertain parentage.”

As for the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, it

… might have less to do with any intrinsic Muslim intolerance than with the ideological chaos that reigns in the Arab world, where extremists routinely exploit popular anger and invoke Islam to draw attention to fundamentally political and even internecine goals. … Bernard Haykel, a professor of Middle East studies at Princeton University, said, “It’s true that there are sanctions against insulting the Prophet, but this is really about political or symbolic opportunists, who use religious symbols to advance their own power or prestige against other groups.”

In other words, Salafi extremists exploit Middle-Eastern anger against the United States just like Pastor Terry Jones, thanks to whom the offending film went viral, exploits American anger against Islam.

Meanwhile, from the Department of Silver Linings
… there were outpourings of rage across Libya on Wednesday against the killers and against the Salafis more generally. In addition to demonstrations in Tripoli and Benghazi, Twitter was inundated with pro-American messages by young Libyans; several of them pleaded for the United States Marines to come and crush the Salafis.
Likewise, it behooves Americans to remember that Salafism, especially at its most extreme, such as al Qaeda, does not define Islam.

Comment by Alvin Gngora: Just as the mainstream media in the West muffle the voices of moderate Muslims that condemn violence I wonder if their colleagues in the Muslim world do the same regarding our strong reactions against the many Terry Jones that are so fond of attacking non Christians.

At the end, the narrative that remains is one of violence: Muslims that are easily offended and Christians that shoot at will and invade and destroy faraway non Christian countries.


About the author: Mahdi Baloch is a freelance writer based in France. Twitter: @MahdiBaloch
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: DISCUSSION ON THE BLASPHEMOUS MOVIE ON PROPHET SAW And REAL MOTIVES

Oh u beleive in movies..that's gr8 sign na to hindu pe kabhi film bnaye christans ne jo wo american embassy ko attack krtay.aur sikhon ko kisi american ne kuch kaha..han albata 1 baat clear ho gye k aap ko english philospher aur movie makers pe bohat beleive h.yehe to baaat to pehlay men keh chuka hn k media k naqaab utaar k bhi kuch dekh lia kro..men ne ye tow nai kaha k qadianon ke saazish h..men tow ye keh rha hn k wo twitter pe aur blogs pe muslmanon k jzbaat ko bhrkaa rhay hen aur kuch nahi.ab tuim kaho gay wo kesay to j tum kr rhay ho ese trha.
i dont "believe" in movies beta jee.

I gave you SPECIFIC examples of mocking and satiring various religions - not just Islam - in the West in their media. No violence from them, no attacking of embassies, no burning of a local KFC, no murder of people by "offended" Hindus and Sikhs about something they saw on the internet.

But you dont seem to pay attention and talk random nonsense.

yeah yeh bhi ik "sazish" samjho phir
 

Bangash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

مسلمان گالی کی جواب میں گالی نہیں دیتے- اپ جو کچھ کہ رہے ہیں ایسا کرنے سے وہ آپکے مووی یو ٹیوب میں بند کردینگے- اور اس طرح کرنے سے وہ سارے یہودی کرسچن جو مسلمانوں کے ساتھ کھڑے ہیں وہ بھی ناراض ہونگیں- آج تین بندوں نے مجھ سے معذرت کی اور ان کو کافی زیادہ گالیاں دی- جو کچھ یہ دہشت گرد فسادی کررہے ہیں اس کا جواب سوچ سمجھ کر دینا بہتر ہے نہ کہ ان کی طرح بننا بہتر ہے-کتے جب بھونکتے ہیں تو انسان جواب میں نہیں بھونکتے- بہترین طریقه احتجاج ہے افشیلی یو این لیول پر او ائی سی لیول پر اور ان سے امپورٹ پر پابندی لگانا ہے کیونکہ ان کا رب پیسہ ہے- اگر مسلمان متحد ہوجائیں اور مسلسل اس بات کو اپنے مسلمانوں تک پہنچائیں کہ ان سے امپورٹ نہ کیا جائے ہر ایک چیز جو کسی مسلمان ملک میں میسر ہو ان سے نہ خریدہ جائے- ان کے ہر پروڈکٹ کو لوگ خریدنا بند کردیں تو اپ دیکھ لیں گے کہ یہ کس طرح مسلمانوں کے پیر پکڑینگے- ہمارے عقیدے ہمارے مقدس شخصیات کی بے حرمتی کی جواب میں اس سے بہتر اور کوئی طریقه نہیں مکمل بائیکاٹ ان کی اشیا سے ہر اس چیز کام سے جس سے یہ لوگ پیسے کماتے ہیں کیونکہ ان کا خدا پیسہ ہے
 

SAKISAKI

Citizen
Re: Any one can make small film on holocast. I think this is best solution.

This is what I was thinking as well.. Whole of western world always hides behind " Freedom of Expression" on the other hand in all these countries no one is neither allowed publicly nor on any media/forum to speak on "Holocaust" .... I think the best response to what Jews are doing to Muslims.
 

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: It is responsibility of every Muslim

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