Here is proof, who supports PTI. Paying members or ISI.
lllcolumbuslll
Banned
ٹرینوں اور بسوں میں آپ نے دیکھا ھو گا ایک جعلی مولوی ھاتھہ میں رسید پکڑے چندہ مانگے ھیں کہ فلاں جگہ مسجد کی تعمیر ھو رھی ھے اللہ کے گھر کو بنانے میں آپ کی مدد کی ضرورت ھے۔ حالانکہ مسجد صرف اس کی رسیدوں تک ھوتی ھے۔ پیسہ جیب میں۔ ارے میرے بھائی یہ رسیدیں ھمیں نہ دکھائیں۔ ایم کیو ایم سے محبت نامہ کی سند کافی ھے۔
Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
So this is the proof... [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]
I do not doubt the point itself... PTI might be supported by its members... and not by the agencies...
But ...
Playing the Devil's advocate here..
How would u prove that this person is not ISI front man... or front man of any other x,y,z agency...
May be somebody (or yourself) just wrote that receipt to show PTI is funded by the people and not agencies...
C'mon guys .. you guys need to grow up... if you want to make a point bring some credible evidence for it....
not receipts... made against some x,y,z person...
اور یہ رسیدیں كہیں بھی چھپوائی جا سكتی ہیں۔۔۔۔
I do not doubt the point itself... PTI might be supported by its members... and not by the agencies...
But ...
Playing the Devil's advocate here..
How would u prove that this person is not ISI front man... or front man of any other x,y,z agency...
May be somebody (or yourself) just wrote that receipt to show PTI is funded by the people and not agencies...
C'mon guys .. you guys need to grow up... if you want to make a point bring some credible evidence for it....
not receipts... made against some x,y,z person...
اور یہ رسیدیں كہیں بھی چھپوائی جا سكتی ہیں۔۔۔۔
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lllcolumbuslll
Banned
But brother, it is the receipts of only two transactions, so it is not the full proof. Instead you should give the website www.insaf.pk, where it shows 1691 paying members (10 $ per person) and the target is 5000.
fahid_asif
Senator (1k+ posts)
Yes i can prove this man is not directed by agencies. But 1st you have to prove your allegation.
fahid_asif
Senator (1k+ posts)
In this way no party can prove, including MQM, that it is not funded by ISI or some foreign hands.
Instead you should come out of the shell of the doubts man and think positively (though I am not expected anything positive from the supporter of MQM)
Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
Look who is asking me to think positively...
When you do not expect... Why are you asking... :)
We are not discussing MQM here...You guys have a problem of dragging MQM everywhere... and you need to learn from your leader and come out of this phobia...and obsession..
If somebody brings ten thousand receipts from MQM ... you will say they have been forged or taken by force... but you wont except the same argument against yourselves...
Objectivity.... is something you guys lack..
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Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
If you read carefully... there was no allegation... it was pointing out towards the weakness of your proof...
Though I would be interested to know how can you prove that any certain person... any one... x,y,z, is NOT working for an agency...
fahid_asif
Senator (1k+ posts)
post parh ker andaza hoa k aap buses main kafi khajul hoay hain. Itna chalnay phirnay k bawjood aap ye sense nhi paa sakey k ghalt kya aur sahi kya. Mainna to phir b 1 raseed dikha di ha, aap apni allegation ka koi adha proof hi dikha do. I am 1000% sure you can't. batein to mujh se b sun lain. Jitni marzi allegations lagwa lain. Agar main kahoon k Nawaz, Zardari, Altaf , Musharaf bharay k tuttoo hain to kya khyal ha ap proof mango k nhi? Per hye ri qisamt, proof majood hain. AAp proof bhi nhi maang saktey.
lakin mera challenge majood ha. Provide a single proof he is directed by agencies, i.e, picture, video, third party assurance. Ahle huq per to ilzaam hamesha se hi lagtey rhay hain.
johny
MPA (400+ posts)
its not by x, y, z its by the same X X, yep there is some thing fishy same person with ten days differrence for both receipt. Fahid seems to be khawaja asif of PTI. Khawaja asif also showed NS tax returns which were submitted on the same day for the two years
omerkashmiri
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Aqal kay andhon ko koi saboot qabil-e-aiteebaar nahin lagta, jin kay dilon pay qufal lagjaye woh kisi mantaq ya daleel say nahin khultay. Imran say jalnay walay apni hee aag main jal jain gay , hamain Imran ka saath daina hay aur dawat dainy hay , mujhay hay hukme-azaan la ilaha illallah
Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
آپ خود ہی بتائیں آپ كو یہ ثنوت قابل اعتبار لگتا ہے؟؟
(صرف اس لئے كہ یہ چندہ پاكستان تحریك انصاف كو دیا گیا)
اگر ہم پارٹی كا نام بدل كر كو ئی اور ركھ دیں تو اپنے دل پر ہاتھ ركھ كر فرمائیں كہ آپ كیا كہتے۔۔۔
لیكن آپ قابل احترام ہیں۔۔۔
آپ كہینگے تو ہم بھی مان لینگے۔۔۔
fahid_asif
Senator (1k+ posts)
Ruttay rtaaye totoon k liye.
Koi bunday k puttron wala allegation hi lga do k baat ho sakey. IK k us challenge pa baat nhi kertay jis main IK na kha ha k tamaam leaders apni source of income aur total income dikha dain aur main b dikha deta hoon. dodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jaye ga. Sick people here.
Koi bunday k puttron wala allegation hi lga do k baat ho sakey. IK k us challenge pa baat nhi kertay jis main IK na kha ha k tamaam leaders apni source of income aur total income dikha dain aur main b dikha deta hoon. dodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jaye ga. Sick people here.
Bilal_Mushi
Minister (2k+ posts)
Here is an affidavit submitted by the ex-chief of Pakistan’s ISI General Asad Durrani to the Supreme Court in 1994. The list exposes many sacred names who were part of the Mullah Military Alliance (Army’s support for the right wing political alliance IJI), including General Aslam Beg, Nawaz Sharif, Jamaat-e-Islami, Mustafa Sadiq, Altaf Hassan Qureshi and others:
Chief politicians embezzle donation money in Ishaq era
KARACHI: According to the sworn undertaking of ISI’s former chief Lieutenant General (rtd) Asad Durrani, which he took before Supreme Court (SC) on July 24, 1994, that he was instructed in September 1990 by the then Chief of Army Staff (COAS), the former General Mirza Aslam Baig for provision of Logistic Support to embezzle money donated for election preparations from some Karachi traders and use the same donation money for Islami Jamhuri Ittehad (IJI) party.
Asad Durrani was told that the instructions to misappropriate donation money were backed by the then government of Pakistan, according to his affidavit statement before SC.
Subsequently, in pursuit of the instructions he received, he was forced to open some fake bank accounts in Karachi, Quetta and Rawalpindi while one donator from Karachi, by the name Younis Habib, deposited as much as 140 million rupees and the money from all accounts were transferred to other places according to the need for extension of logistic support to IJI party while the remaining money was transferred to a special fund, his sworn statement added.
His statement further added, Rs10 million were given to Mir Afzal in NWFP province, Rs3.5 million to Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif in Punjab, Rs5.6 million to Lieutenant General (rtd) Rafaqat for advertisement on media, Rs5 million to Jamat-e-Islami, Rs1 million to Begum Abida Hussain, Rs0.5 million to Altaf Hussain Qureshi and Mustafa Sadiq, Rs3.3 million to small groups, Rs5 million to Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi in Sindh, Rs5 million to Jam Sadiq, Rs2.5 million to Muhammad Khan Junejo, Rs2 million to Pir Pagara, Rs0.3 million to Molana Salahuddin, Rs5.4 million to small parties, Rs1.5 million to Humayun Muree, the son-in-law of Bugti, Rs4 million to Jamali, Rs1 million to Kakar, Rs0.7 million to Jam Yousuf, Rs0.5 million Bazinjo and Rs1 million were given to Nadir Mengal.
It is pertinent to mention that the value in rupees of 12 grams of gold was Rs33 at the time when money was misappropriated while it stands at Rs29,000 today.
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Affidavit names politicians who took money from ISI
* Former CJP quotes affidavit submitted by former ISI chief Lt Gen (r) Asad Durrani in court
* List of recipients includes Nawaz Sharif, Abida Hussain, Pir Pagaro, JI
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) gave millions of rupees to different politicians during former president Ghulam Ishaq Khan’s regime and no one has ever denied receiving money from the agency, former chief justice of Pakistan Saeeduz Zaman Siddiqui said on Wednesday.
Talking to a private TV channel, he said the ISI was an intelligence agency and should not interfere in politics, or be used against politicians. He said former ISI director general Lt Gen Asad Durrani had informed the Supreme Court that he had given money to politicians, ostensibly to ‘convince’ them to join the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad (IJI).
Justice (r) Siddiqui told the channel that he had said at that time that the ISI’s role should not be political. He said the case was still pending in the Supreme Court at the time of the 1999 coup. He said Lt Gen (r) Durrani had presented an affidavit in court, giving details of the money distributed to different politicians.
According to the affidavit, then chief of army staff General (r) Mirza Aslam Baig had advised the intelligence agency in September 1990 that it should give logistic support to the transfer of funds from the business community in Karachi to the IJI during the 1988 election.
According to the written affidavit of July 24, 1994, Lt Gen (r) Durrani said he was informed at the time that the step had the government’s complete support. After the orders, he said he opened a number of accounts in banks in Karachi, Rawalpindi and Quetta.
A man from Karachi named Younas Habib had deposited Rs 140 million in a bank account and the rest of the money was transferred to a special fund.
According to the affidavit, acquired by the TV channel, former caretaker prime minister Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi received Rs 5 million, former Sindh chief minister Jam Sadiq Rs 5 million, former prime minister Muhammad Khan Junejo Rs 2.5 million, Nawaz Sharif Rs 3.5 million, senior politician Pir Pagaro Rs 2 million, the Jamaat-e-Islami Rs 5 million, Mir Afzal Khan Rs 10 million, Abida Hussain Rs 1 million, Lt Gen Rafaqat Rs 5.6 million for managing the media campaign, Humayun Marri Rs 1.5 million, former prime minister Zafarullah Jamali Rs 4 million, Kakar Rs 1 million, Jam Yousaf Rs 0.7 million, Hasil Bizenjo Rs 0.5 million, Nadir Mengal Rs 1 million, Altaf Hussain Qureshi and Mustafa Sadiq Rs 0.5 million, Salahuddin Rs 0.3 million, smaller groups Rs 5.4 million and others received Rs 3.339 million. (Daily Times)
Chief politicians embezzle donation money in Ishaq era
Asad Durrani was told that the instructions to misappropriate donation money were backed by the then government of Pakistan, according to his affidavit statement before SC.
Subsequently, in pursuit of the instructions he received, he was forced to open some fake bank accounts in Karachi, Quetta and Rawalpindi while one donator from Karachi, by the name Younis Habib, deposited as much as 140 million rupees and the money from all accounts were transferred to other places according to the need for extension of logistic support to IJI party while the remaining money was transferred to a special fund, his sworn statement added.
His statement further added, Rs10 million were given to Mir Afzal in NWFP province, Rs3.5 million to Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif in Punjab, Rs5.6 million to Lieutenant General (rtd) Rafaqat for advertisement on media, Rs5 million to Jamat-e-Islami, Rs1 million to Begum Abida Hussain, Rs0.5 million to Altaf Hussain Qureshi and Mustafa Sadiq, Rs3.3 million to small groups, Rs5 million to Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi in Sindh, Rs5 million to Jam Sadiq, Rs2.5 million to Muhammad Khan Junejo, Rs2 million to Pir Pagara, Rs0.3 million to Molana Salahuddin, Rs5.4 million to small parties, Rs1.5 million to Humayun Muree, the son-in-law of Bugti, Rs4 million to Jamali, Rs1 million to Kakar, Rs0.7 million to Jam Yousuf, Rs0.5 million Bazinjo and Rs1 million were given to Nadir Mengal.
It is pertinent to mention that the value in rupees of 12 grams of gold was Rs33 at the time when money was misappropriated while it stands at Rs29,000 today.
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Affidavit names politicians who took money from ISI
* Former CJP quotes affidavit submitted by former ISI chief Lt Gen (r) Asad Durrani in court
* List of recipients includes Nawaz Sharif, Abida Hussain, Pir Pagaro, JI
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) gave millions of rupees to different politicians during former president Ghulam Ishaq Khan’s regime and no one has ever denied receiving money from the agency, former chief justice of Pakistan Saeeduz Zaman Siddiqui said on Wednesday.
Talking to a private TV channel, he said the ISI was an intelligence agency and should not interfere in politics, or be used against politicians. He said former ISI director general Lt Gen Asad Durrani had informed the Supreme Court that he had given money to politicians, ostensibly to ‘convince’ them to join the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad (IJI).
Justice (r) Siddiqui told the channel that he had said at that time that the ISI’s role should not be political. He said the case was still pending in the Supreme Court at the time of the 1999 coup. He said Lt Gen (r) Durrani had presented an affidavit in court, giving details of the money distributed to different politicians.
According to the affidavit, then chief of army staff General (r) Mirza Aslam Baig had advised the intelligence agency in September 1990 that it should give logistic support to the transfer of funds from the business community in Karachi to the IJI during the 1988 election.
According to the written affidavit of July 24, 1994, Lt Gen (r) Durrani said he was informed at the time that the step had the government’s complete support. After the orders, he said he opened a number of accounts in banks in Karachi, Rawalpindi and Quetta.
A man from Karachi named Younas Habib had deposited Rs 140 million in a bank account and the rest of the money was transferred to a special fund.
According to the affidavit, acquired by the TV channel, former caretaker prime minister Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi received Rs 5 million, former Sindh chief minister Jam Sadiq Rs 5 million, former prime minister Muhammad Khan Junejo Rs 2.5 million, Nawaz Sharif Rs 3.5 million, senior politician Pir Pagaro Rs 2 million, the Jamaat-e-Islami Rs 5 million, Mir Afzal Khan Rs 10 million, Abida Hussain Rs 1 million, Lt Gen Rafaqat Rs 5.6 million for managing the media campaign, Humayun Marri Rs 1.5 million, former prime minister Zafarullah Jamali Rs 4 million, Kakar Rs 1 million, Jam Yousaf Rs 0.7 million, Hasil Bizenjo Rs 0.5 million, Nadir Mengal Rs 1 million, Altaf Hussain Qureshi and Mustafa Sadiq Rs 0.5 million, Salahuddin Rs 0.3 million, smaller groups Rs 5.4 million and others received Rs 3.339 million. (Daily Times)
lllcolumbuslll
Banned
بھائی کمال کی نظر ھے آُپ کی۔ میں نے غور ھی نہی کیا تھا۔ ایک ھی بندہ رسید نمبر 365 اور 366 دس دن کے فرق سے ۔ دس دن کے درمیان کسی اور نے پی ٹی آئی کی کوئی مالی مدد نہی کی۔
اور یہ اومان سے مالی مدد کرنے والے کے تیل کے کنوٰیں ھیں جو ھر دس دن کے بعد المدددن کر رھے ھیں۔ کل کلاں ایک رسید یوگنڈا افریقہ سے بھی منظر عام آجائے گی۔ جسطرح ایم کیوایم جنوبی افریقہ۔ دنیا کے ھر ملک میں شاخیں بنی ھیں۔ ایم کیوایم کانگو۔ پی ٹی آئی سوڈان۔ وغیرہ وغیرہ
اور یہ اومان سے مالی مدد کرنے والے کے تیل کے کنوٰیں ھیں جو ھر دس دن کے بعد المدددن کر رھے ھیں۔ کل کلاں ایک رسید یوگنڈا افریقہ سے بھی منظر عام آجائے گی۔ جسطرح ایم کیوایم جنوبی افریقہ۔ دنیا کے ھر ملک میں شاخیں بنی ھیں۔ ایم کیوایم کانگو۔ پی ٹی آئی سوڈان۔ وغیرہ وغیرہ
fahid_asif
Senator (1k+ posts)
Allah ka laakh laakh shukar ha na kabi is kisam ka silly allegation lgaya ha aur na is qisam ki sut,hi zehniat ha. koi party chunday k bghair nhi chul sakti. Lakin 2ry taraf b daikhain ilzam lganay waley (N-league) k khilaf wo bunda jis na 35 lakh diya thay wo majood ha. N-league waley us ka zikar b nhi kaertay. aur bghair saboot k PTI k khilaf shoor o ghoogha macha rhi ha. Us party ki credibilty is se saabat ho jati ha k jo wo kehti ha , chahti nhi.Justice movement k barey Wikileaks ki report aap ki nazar se nhi guzri?
aur 2ry baat, support ka ilzam to N-league na lgaya tha, baqi loog behti ganga main muft k haath dhoo rhey hain. Is ka matlab ha N-league ki tarah sub k paas dimagh nhi ha.
Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
اگر آپ الفاظ كے چنائو میں تہذیب كا خیال ركھتے تو بہتر طریقے سے اپنی جماعت كی خدمت كر سكتے۔۔۔۔
مگر افسوس۔۔۔۔۔
