Is It a Lie? or Truth

[Star Gazer]

When India refuses to grant them the right to form there governments following legally held elections and these people start arriving in Pakistan for refuge than the world has the responsibility to do something about it.

What legally held elections?
You have already forgotten the promises made by your most revered politician Nehru?
What was Nehru's promise to the world, it still resonates in the UNO.? Let me remind you he promised plebiscite to the people of Kashmir.
How can we trust you? Today you are saying elections have been held legally in Kashmir, disregarding the promise of Nehru. God knows what will you say tomorrow when it suits your purpose to say something else?

If you want to keep Kashmir because it was handed to you by the Hindu maharaja of Kashmir then you should hand over Junnagarh to Pakistan because that was signed over to Pakistan by the Muslim ruler of Junagarh. Do you even believe and understand the principle of Fairness??

 

[desicad]

When ever you are clueless it becomes obvious from your irrelevant scribbling.
You have no answer,it is obvious!

irrelevant to you of course....
I have the answers, but what's the use when the other person is delusional and has her head buried in the sand.....

 

[desicad]

What legally held elections?
You have already forgotten the promises made by your most revered politician Nehru?
What was Nehru's promise to the world, it still resonates in the UNO.? Let me remind you he promised plebiscite to the people of Kashmir.
How can we trust you? Today you are saying elections have been held legally in Kashmir, disregarding the promise of Nehru. God knows what will you say tomorrow when it suits your purpose to say something else?

If you want to keep Kashmir because it was handed to you by the Hindu maharaja of Kashmir then you should hand over Junnagarh to Pakistan because that was signed over to Pakistan by the Muslim ruler of Junagarh. Do you even believe and understand the principle of Fairness??

jo tha woh to sambhal nahi sake, haanji muslim majority.......junaghad le kar kya karengi?

 

[hawaskapujari]

as you are a pakistani, i dont expect you to know politics of india. but you do realise that the 84 sikh riots happened after indira was gunned down by her sikh bodyguards.
you may also wanna know that she was forewarned about her sikh bodyguards being potential dangers to her, but refused to accept those warnings because she was secular minded and did not believe in profilingon the basis of religion. i can assure you, indira was not responsible for the riots that happened after her death.

the 84 riots were between the congress party and the sikhs, not between the hindu and sikh community. congress leaders are alive today who have cases registered against them like jagdish tytler and sajjan kumar.
by the way the video is gut-wrenching. could not watch it beyond a point.

This the real face of indira ghandi....................and this is why she was killed by her own "body guard"

 

[hawaskapujari]

star gazer, this is politics. this is not a game of virtues. we did what we did because we thought it was in our best interests. we did not ask kashmir to join us. the qabbailis and pak army irregulars attacked kashmir in 47 and the maharaja came to india for help. i am not in favor of india's present state of affairs in kashmir, but what happened then is history now. i think kashmiris should be free to do what they want. but no point bringing in junagadh and hyderabad and kashmir of 1947 back now.
after the shimla accords and the indira-sheik abdullah accords, the plebiscite option was effectively declared null and void by delhi and srinagar's elected leadership. you do recall that if plebescite were held, you will have to vacate (POK) Pak Occupied Kashmir too many of whose areas have been absorbed into punjab, KPK and northern areas and with much of the area now populated by people from other parts of pakistan. atleast due to article 370, average indians cannot buy property or settle down in kashmir. so its pakistan which will find it immpossible to hold a plebscite.

What legally held elections?
You have already forgotten the promises made by your most revered politician Nehru?
What was Nehru's promise to the world, it still resonates in the UNO.? Let me remind you he promised plebiscite to the people of Kashmir.
How can we trust you? Today you are saying elections have been held legally in Kashmir, disregarding the promise of Nehru. God knows what will you say tomorrow when it suits your purpose to say something else?

If you want to keep Kashmir because it was handed to you by the Hindu maharaja of Kashmir then you should hand over Junnagarh to Pakistan because that was signed over to Pakistan by the Muslim ruler of Junagarh. Do you even believe and understand the principle of Fairness??

 

[hawaskapujari]

Re: From the Class of 1971

thats precisely what we are contesting. where is the record which provides evidence to the comment about 1000 years of slavery. i have searched books and academic articles for years, never found any record of her saying that. i dont know whether she said two-nation theory was sunk into bay of bengal, but thats not the debate here. that statement is reasonable. but the 1000 year statement is unreasonable, unacceptable and frankly silly and i dont think she ever said that.

I do not understand the problem here. The military defeat of Niazi in 1971 was imminent. Indra Gandhi is on the record for saying that 1000 years of Muslim rule had been avenged and also for saying that the two-nation theory had been sunk in the bay of Bengal. What we need to do as Pakistanis is to look at our own role in the dismemberment of the country in 1971...

 

[TruPakistani]

as you are a pakistani, i dont expect you to know politics of india. but you do realise that the 84 sikh riots happened after indira was gunned down by her sikh bodyguards.
you may also wanna know that she was forewarned about her sikh bodyguards being potential dangers to her, but refused to accept those warnings because she was secular minded and did not believe in profilingon the basis of religion. i can assure you, indira was not responsible for the riots that happened after her death.

the 84 riots were between the congress party and the sikhs, not between the hindu and sikh community. congress leaders are alive today who have cases registered against them like jagdish tytler and sajjan kumar.
by the way the video is gut-wrenching. could not watch it beyond a point.

Mr. This is a Pakistani forum and if you want to discuss some other country, take it somewhere else.

 

[hawaskapujari]

what is to be discussed or not is better left to the forum moderators. if they find it irrelevant, or you find it orrelevant plz address it to them, not to me. anyways its ironic since you did urself contribute ur two cents on an indian issue.

Mr. This is a Pakistani forum and if you want to discuss some other country, take it somewhere else.

 

[only_truths]

haha....that is what this thread is all about, but then you wanted to give your vote........:)

That is what about Pakistan itself. Give your vote before you are sure.

 

[only_truths]

it is very shocking by the way. as shashi pointed out, thats not india's national narrative. no one thinks like that in india, or atleast no one is expected to think like that. there is no politics of that sort which reflects those views. even the BJP never has made out such a case. her father was an epitome of secular thinking. and if she learnt anything from her father, she would not have said such a thing. i dont know why you dont find it reprehensible and shocking.

many people in india dont like her politics, especially after emergency, but no one thought of her as a religious bigot. in fact in 1984, she was warned by intelligence agencies that her sikh bodyguards might be a danger to her life, because of the golden temple operation bluestar. she refused to let go off her sikh bodyguards, saying that they were there to protect her and it didnt matter what their religion was. unfortunately one of them killed her.

you are spot on. Like Bangladesh operation, the operation Blue star war was truly in national interest. No Indian Politician can be communal be it any party which rules as India is governed by Constitution.

 

[only_truths]

I wouldn't doubt that every Tom Dick and Harry is making them. Check out the links that cefspan has posted. I find it amazing that no one ells is coming forward and saying " yes I have seen this documentary too ". I also checked you tube quite vigorously and no results.

No one will get any proof in any you tube videos or articles as this is not true. The reason this is on the news is because of the saying that if you repeat the lie it might sound like truth for a moment till some one like Unicorn blows it up.

 

[only_truths]

Yar, u have no other job?
Leave past and live in present, let live us too

Yesterday you will tell a lie and today you want to live in truth? ha ha

 

[M_mian]

Dear all, as far as my knowledge, through reading, is concerned I think she made this statement in the parliament just after the fall of Dhaka. Once she entered the hall she was given a standing ovation. In her speech she made this comment. Instead of checking from the BBC archives, it would be pertinent to scroll through the records of Indian parliament.

 

[desicad]

Dear all, as far as my knowledge, through reading, is concerned I think she made this statement in the parliament just after the fall of Dhaka. Once she entered the hall she was given a standing ovation. In her speech she made this comment. Instead of checking from the BBC archives, it would be pertinent to scroll through the records of Indian parliament.

Thanks for this new info......lets see if you can dig that out.......

 

[cefspan]

Thanks for this new info......lets see if you can dig that out.......

I guess it might have been mentioned in Her Secretary's book . . . . .. My years with Ghandhi - P.C Alexander .


Couldn't find the book online though .

 

[hawaskapujari]

thats absolutely ridiculous. she could never have made such a statement in the parliament. thats im-f$#$ing possible. the next day the national and international newspapers would have crucified her. thats the most irresponsible thing a head of state of india could ever say.
no one, not even the UN can give sanction to people for avenging thousand years of slavery. thats completely mental. even the israeli mossad had to go after the holocaust perpetrators, they had to do it outside the official mandate and policy of the state. she didnt say it. there is no credible evidence ever been put forth.

also with 15-18% muslim population, mrs. gandhi was an astute enuff politician not to make such silly remarks. i mean if she said something like that, its hopelessly demeaning towards the muslim citizenry of india. kya muh leke congress party unke pass jati election mein?

Dear all, as far as my knowledge, through reading, is concerned I think she made this statement in the parliament just after the fall of Dhaka. Once she entered the hall she was given a standing ovation. In her speech she made this comment. Instead of checking from the BBC archives, it would be pertinent to scroll through the records of Indian parliament.

 

[Unicorn]

Dear all, as far as my knowledge, through reading, is concerned I think she made this statement in the parliament just after the fall of Dhaka. Once she entered the hall she was given a standing ovation. In her speech she made this comment. Instead of checking from the BBC archives, it would be pertinent to scroll through the records of Indian parliament.

She has not made it in the parliament. A statement like this is highly offensive to Indian Muslims and Bangladeshi Muslims. The BBC documentary that I posted covers parliament address and interviews.

 

[Jshah]

Yes, it is true, Indira had made this statement.

 

[Unicorn]

Yes, it is true, Indira had made this statement.

Almost every Pakistani believes that she did and you are not any different but none knows where and to whom she made this statement including you.

 

[mrk123]

First off I commend all who seek the truth....and only the truth will clear the doubts!

I am not sure if I agree with your statement I quote below....if it was not sanctioned official Israeli policy then how come the state machinery and all resources were used and it was publicized with fanfare and not only that the judicial system tried and convicted them most of the time. We all know how those holocaust perpetrators were picked up from all over the world (most of them were not extradited - especially the ones from the south/central american countries) - any judicial system worth its salt would not even have started the proceedings after the illegal kidnapping and transport of those suspect. My point - it was officially sanctioned policy of the state! They keep it under wraps for obvious reasons...

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even the israeli mossad had to go after the holocaust perpetrators, they had to do it outside the official mandate and policy of the state. she didnt say it. there is no credible evidence ever been put forth.
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