Pakistan Army - How True Is The Statement That Pakistan Army Is Punjabi Dominated?

Qalandari

Banned
another important fact is that punjabis and pakhtuns of KPK go to the armed forces,while sindhis and balochistan`s barohi,baloch and pushtuns dont like to join armed forces to great extent,may be its their nature?

Its not about nature but trend. British raj were able to only find traitors in good numbers in the above area so they carved out a propaganda of martial races and non-martial races.

The Baloch, Sindhi and Saraiki masses in general didn't recognise the colonial rule and therefore stood up against the raj. But this doesn't mean that Punjabis or Pukhtuns were traitors but what I mean was that traitors were found in good numbers then in those areas.

As we all know the Pakistan army that was named in 1947 consisted of the same people who till 13th August 1947 were openly serving the colonial empire.
 

psycho1

MPA (400+ posts)
Army polices stay the same whoever becomes the chrif. In army there are 48 percent punjabi bez of the population ratio. 8 to12 percent are pakhtoon and rest are 1 or 2. Thats waat i know
 

coolhaider

Minister (2k+ posts)
The summary is that Rajputs are not Punjabis. If you are from Chakwal you are not a Punjabi. If you are born in East Punjab you are not a Punjabi. If you speak Hindko at home you are not a Punjabi. I'm getting a bit confused here, what is the definition of Punjabi ?
its simple like being a multani it doesnt mean i am seraiki :D
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
strictly speaking on ethnicity - it is important to note that not even a single Sindhi has been an Army chief. Before any self-righteous idiot comes with statements that insult our intelligence. Let me state that there are qualified Sindhis (like late Gen. Mitha Khan who formed the SSG in army) in the army but their lobby is not strong enough when compared with our Punjabi brothers.

Ofcourse the question itself is invalid because all army generals have one ethnicity and that is Elite ethnicity.

Do help me quote the achievements of the army chiefs? Zia murdered innocents in Jordan and at home he hung country's only hope after Jinnah.

HAve anyone of you been to any of the regiments? Try going there and see the comfort they are living in ..

Not saying they don't deserve the luxuries but I always was under the impression that a soldier's life is tough, however, in our country ... it is only the AWAAM that is supposed to suffer.

while on the topic it was late Gen. Mitha Khan who said something very authentic:

In 1954, Mitha was selected to raise an elite commando unit for Pakistan Army. Cherat, a hill station near Peshawar was chosen as the highly restricted site where the commandos were to be trained and based. Mitha's sole instruction to his handpicked Pakistani officers was, "Be proud of your poverty." He remained head of the SSG for 6 years.
 

aftab818

MPA (400+ posts)
looking at PPP flag says it all about your state of mind ! its so far Pukhtuns and Punjabis you are identified as Pakistani !if there was no Pak army you would not have come so long! i do agree Army Generals have made so many irreversable damages to the country but the distruction you could have without them could not be imagined?
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
looking at PPP flag says it all about your state of mind ! its so far Pukhtuns and Punjabis you are identified as Pakistani !if there was no Pak army you would not have come so long! i do agree Army Generals have made so many irreversable damages to the country but the distruction you could have without them could not be imagined?

Question is are we prepared to tolerate a less than perfect mighty army,

than the liklihood of Pakistan being devoured by India, and others, because that to me would be enslavement.

As regards the soldiers themselves, they are incredibly brave and prepared to lay down their lives for Pak

The leadership regardless of background or ethnicity, can do better. The reason they have got away with so much, is simply the inadequate system we have in place.

If our politicians were a little better at politics, our soldiers would remain soldiers. All we have had is thieves, liars and crooks as "leaders"

Bring me a leader like Baba Jinnah, and I will guarantee you the Soldiers will be in their barracks, being soldiers, and not politicians.

That is enough for me.
 

crazycolors

MPA (400+ posts)
Yea i argued the same logic many time with people that army has a discipline you cant call them punjabi, sindhi etc etc .......but people become too dumb in their hatred and start putting evey evil on punjab yet Punjab is the only place where people of every race are enjoying their rights ..... never had any riots based on ethnicity ....... i alway call Punjab as the USA of Pakistan because its economy and business market is open for anyone ..... come and compete if you are successful then no will robe you .....just look at the example of lahore ..... All big businesses like clothes, Iron and machinery, chinese export good are mostly now owned by pashtoons who settled and started their business after afghan war .... but no one ever tried to destabilize them ..... but really sorry to say people never say a word for this good and open attitude of Punjabis rather they always blame punjabis being supporter of every evil ...
Just wait for few comments. Here are some people who will prove that General Gracey was Cheema of Sialkot.
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What ?

I still didn't get the definition of Punjabi ?

Help me!

Considering you support son of satan's party, it is unlikely you will ever get anything, even as basic as 2+2=4, because if Zardari says its 5 then you will say it is 5.

As for helping you, sadly you have reached a stage where tht is beyond the capabilities of any normal mortal soul.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
"Assimilation after Immigration"?????????????????

Ha,Ha...

Living with girl friend without marriage?????????? Can you show me where I mentioned this, shows your level of what I was talking about Is that "Assimilation after Immigration"? that you are proud of? and a firm believer of? as you just said.

A lot of, lot of BS, just because of the hatered in your soul against Urdu speakers of Karachi.........

You are the Jews of America, any time you show them the mirrior they start barking about holocast

As far as hatred goes I have grown as pragmatic as you can get, by the way lets I am sure you live in North America, "do you wear pajama to work, and chew Pan and spit in Public? Can you answer this simple question bhaiya
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
What a comical post. Zia, Keramat, Tikka Khan and Janjua are all Punjabis.

Also, what's even more hilarious is that you're saying the word Mohajir means immigrant, therefore, it applies to anyone who migrated.

The word was invented to refer to a community who was being mistreated, oppressed and discriminated against (highest literacy rate; financial and industrial hub of Pakistan; highest per capita income) so they would be clumped together into one community as they did not have enough numbers as other communities and weren't a monolithic community because their forefathers migrated from different parts of India and not just one with a mass migration like in Punjab. (So it is Punjabs fault you guys immigrated from different parts of India, but instead of assimmilating you decided not to change, lets see all the communities living in New York tried to do that..you know exactly what will happend to them)
It's hilarious that you think the migration was within the same context but it was not. Punjabis from East Punjab migrated to West Punjab. Did the same happen to those who migrated from Bihar? Did they get greeted by their own kind of a completely alien culture? No! Punjabis moved to Punjab, a different part that is only a few miles, in some cases and in most, even less because the arbitrary line drawn by Mountbatten was even run through some homes. Same for people migrating from UP, MP, Bihar, Delhi or Hyderabad? No! (What nonsense are you talking about, yes they crossed the border but the left their land. The difference between you and mean is my forefathers although moved from UP, to Punjab made damn sure we learnt Punjabi and became part of the land. Yours did not hence that burden of guilt you guys carry every where. Travel from Lahore on GT road to Pindi, majority of the business are owned by people of your kind, but slightly different, they or we assimillated you did, hence your forefathers mistake has caught up to you. Have ever heard of riots against Pathans, Pastoons or anyone else).

I would also like to ask you, compared to Punjabis, how many Mohajirs migrated to Pakistan? (who migrated from minority areas in India unlike Punjabis who were in a majority in Punjab but living as third class citizens(the people you left behind are still third class citizens); remember, the British policy of divide and rule and letting minorities rule in majority-different community areas? Kashmir had minority Hindu Dogras, Junagudh had minority Muslim Nawabs and in Punjab, Hindus were the lowest in number so they were given the most wealth, then it was Sikhs and last were Muslims, which is why they were slaughtered with ease along with the fact that the new colonialists or Hindus used Sikhs who had recently served in the Sikh regiment in World War 2 as tools to avenge the loss of their wealth in temples around Lahore, etc.)

Then, these Punjabis like Ghulam Muhammad who was previously a part-owner in Mahindra and Muhammad (then, Mahindra and Mahindra) moved to Pakistan as a matter of business and influential interest including feudal lords like Noons who win under any and all parties.(why did you guys migrate because you knew you could not compete with the majority then and still can't.) Ghulam Muhammad was the same man who first brought this concept of undermining democratically-elected governments and also mentioned this to foreign dignitaries. Who gave him this right? But, remember, this is why he moved with his opportunistic buddies. Why else would anyone leave such a profitable business? for the nation? No! (Most of big business are still owned by your community, I don't care)

This attitude resulted in Bengalis feeling discriminated against and the blame conveniently went on foreign hands. It is true that they were involved but they wouldn't come fishing for trouble if there wasn't trouble there to begin with. It was this mentality that destroyed Pakistan and caused the rise of ethnic, separatist movements like MQM that people in Punjab easily dismiss as irrelevant or tyrannical or dictatorial but they fail to comprehend the reason behind their support (it's their ideology, stupid).(Ethnicity is your idology, that is why are cocconed in the urban areas, your leaders has become a real Mujahir by hiding in London)

Since the Punjabis were uprooted as a matter of policy and were forced to do so, their struggle or loss of life isn't the same (oh really you are so full of S--t) as that of those who were living wealthy lives and had been adamant to go to Pakistan, as a matter of choice from areas they had lived in with respect and dignity for centuries. Upon being uprooted, they came to Pakistan to get nothing (tell this to Sindhis he will put a stick where it does not belong) in return except for being called "Hindustani" or mistreated by nouveau riche Punjabis (through fake claims on lands) (not only are you getting emotional but you hellucinating at the same time, that is why are not making any sense) like yourself. This is why a lot of people left for India again because being insulted and harassed by this so-called majority in the new lands was of no use. This was the community that brought you the language, culture, religion, bureaucracy and came up with the concept of Pakistan (talk about self-righteous statement). @A.G.Uddin, Liaquat Ali Khan is not Punjabi. Haryanvi is a different language closer to Hindi/Urdu and they have a different culture, even though it was part of East Punjab, people that migrated from there don't speak the Punjabi language or have the same understanding as you do about their culture. I am referring to people that call themselves Mohajirs from Haryana areas.

When those people who have been mistreated and degraded by people such as yourself, they couldn't go back to their cities of origin because the newly found majority of Hindus and sense of betrayal upon the first time these Mohajirs left, caused them to become the Pakistani Punjabis of India. They became intolerant and arrogant and went on a rampage of slaughter and murder (you were treated like dirt before 1947, your cousins are treated like dirt and they always be treated with contempt, understand that). This had taken place in Karachi, as well as Baluchistan and KPK. This is why Altaf said what he said in India. I suggest you reconsider his video and understand that families were separated as not all wanted to migrate and some just couldn't afford to do so. This is why he asked Indians to accept them back as being called a "foreigner" in Pakistan is not acceptable. You can hear this bigotry from Zulfiqar Mirza and Shahi Syed (local Sindhi and Pashtun, respectively). ( its funny you used the word bigotry, and I hope you understand its meaning, if not read your own post when you not hellucinating and then maybe you will understand it)

Altaf also became hateful of Punjabis because of him being insulted for his "qaum" in the military. He didn't used to think in ethnic (really) terms until the following event. There was an exercise in the form of a competition that he had won but the nepotistic instructor couldn't tolerate the fact that his own kind didn't win (and also wanted to maintain the status quo of his community in the military) so he started insulting Altaf Hussain for his community and stated "how many wars did your qaum fight?" Altaf could've said that you were the only Muslim Army in history to lay down arms and whatever you have captured of Kashmir was thanks to the Waziris. He could've also mentioned his own Mughal history but he didn't because that would cause division and insult to Pakistan.

Being an emotional little girl that you are and influenced by ignorant and uneducated Punjabi-nationalist parents, you need not worry about this issue as you would only highlight the Punjabi mentality that everyone is already wary of. Imran's supporters understand his outlook has changed and so has his surrounding leaders such as Dr. Alvi and Naeem ul Haque. My suggestion to you would be to vote for a Punjabi nationalist, big brother "wannabe", fat and agricultural party like that of Nawaz Sharif as that is more reflective of your backwards and ignorant way of thinking. By the way, thank your family and those that think like you for destroying Pakistan and making it a divisive nation due to your false notions of superiority. I wonder what the Arabs are doing and weren't these the same people that betrayed the Ottomans and now are "betraying" your beloved Iran.

Punjabis are proportionally the most racist and bigoted communities in Pakistan and have managed to alienate all others like Sindhis, Pashtuns and Baluch just as they did with the Bengalis. Look at the TV shows with Punjabi-supremacist (nothing superior about Punjab) and Punjabi nationalist, Aftab Iqbal and even Azizi. Trust me when I tell you that you can never subjugate anyone. Today, Bangladesh has a better economy and you are the ones that get devastating floods every year, much more than what you blamed Bangladesh for.

You can't win because Serbs couldn't hold on to Yugoslavia, either with this approach. They had to kill millions of Muslims in Bosnia but today, Bosnia is free. Also, Kosovo, same thing. Muslims are not a community that can be oppressed. Bangladesh got its freedom, Baluchistan is on its way and parts of KPK and interior Sindh is no different. Karachi might not leave to take a chance, either.

We were all in it together but the power of Pakistan was usurped. Unless its devolution takes place, there won't be a Pakistan because people will make sure they get access to their right of self-determination. Remember, don't blame foreign hands like the Serbs, then, because that would mean you're blissfully ignorant (even though, you are now, as well). Pakistan cannot go on if people such as you continue to exist in influential places and have a say in every Pakistani issue. In any decent society, you would be treated as a fringe element because that's what you are and should be treated as such. If PTI or instead, Pakistan and its establishment is continually dominated by such folks, then it's likely that present-day Pakistan should not exist ('47 one already doesn't) and I will be the first to stand in favor of such an arrangement because saying Pakistan, euphemistically for Punjab is anti-Islam and against any respectable person's values.

Have you ever been outside of your cocoon (Karachi), from the post its seem highly unlikely. You are one of many unfortunate souls who thinks every thing said by the terrorist siting in London is correct.
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
The problem that no one understands is the fact that 1% elite are screwing the 99% awaam. This 1% elite have their tentacles every where from army, politics, business , jaagirdaars, murderer middle class parties, bhatta mafias, etc etc

The mentality we have today ensures that this ruling elite 1% will continue to rule us. Nothing will change. Unfortunately, we are so polarized today that we don't even call a spade a spade. If someone is a criminal then he is a criminal - plain and simple. It does not matter what his skin color is or what community he represents or the language he speaks or for that matter how 'educated' he may be.

It is really unfortunate that we as Muslims have stopped distinguishing b/w truth and falsehood, b/w right and wrong, b/w zaalim and innocent ... we let our pride and ego over take everything that we as Muslims should stand for.

In this state of mind - nothing can save us... if we don't save ourselves from each other and from such thinking ..

GROW UP please and if you have any doubt on what I am saying ... please just read the Holy Quran and the message is loud and clear as it can be... and if you are too lazy to find out yourself or have trouble finding out then I am happy to provide you relevant references.

May Allah Have Mercy on all of us, Ameen.
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Have you ever been outside of your cocoon (Karachi), from the post its seem highly unlikely. You are one of many unfortunate souls who thinks every thing said by the terrorist siting in London is correct.

I think you forgot the H in that word ! :)

Otherwise, I think they wallow in this insanity, and think they have some connection
with places like Bosnia and Serbia, but no connection to Pakistan, where they live, and where they will die


[MENTION=18472]gotti[/MENTION] I am still waiting for you to explain and you ran away, like the cowards that you MQM wallahs are
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
M
You are the Jews of America, any time you show them the mirrior they start barking about holocast

As far as hatred goes I have grown as pragmatic as you can get, by the way lets I am sure you live in North America, "do you wear pajama to work, and chew Pan and spit in Public? Can you answer this simple question bhaiya
I never chew and spit paan in public. Nor here neither in Karachi. But yes:
I have seen many paindoos who are living with sweapresses of Canada without marriages, just because to get status here.
I have seen many paindoos who claimed to be MQM workers and got refugee status here, but after that those NAMAK HARAMS running compaigns against Muhajirs in Canada.
I have seen many paindoos who have come here after getting fake marriages with their real sisters and Bhabis just to enter to Canada.
I have seen many paindoos who are on dole money but driving Taxis and doing cash jobs.
I have seen many Paindoo couples here who declared themselves a divorcee and claiming single parent status and heavy financial support from govt. but still living together.
list goes on and on..........

Sorry to others if they get offended. This LOWFLY guy started this non sense here by calling me BHAIYYA, and he truly deserves whart I replied to him.
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
M
I never chew and spit paan in public. Nor here neither in Karachi. But yes:
I have seen many paindoos who are living with sweapresses of Canada without marriages, just because to get status here.
I have seen many paindoos who claimed to be MQM workers and got refugee status here, but after that those NAMAK HARAMS running compaigns against Muhajirs in Canada.
I have seen many paindoos who have come here after getting fake marriages with their real sisters and Bhabis just to enter to Canada.
I have seen many paindoos who are on dole money but driving Taxis and doing cash jobs.
I have seen many Paindoo couples here who declared themselves a divorcee and claiming single parent status and heavy financial support from govt. but still living together.
list goes on and on..........

Sorry to others if they get offended. This LOWFLY guy started this non sense here by calling me BHAIYYA, and he truly deserves whart I replied to him.

Your reply really exposes your mentality and upbringing .. such gross generalizations. All this to support your Altaf? shame on you ... MQM is a cancer ..

Can you take oath on your mother and father that MQM are innocent of bhatta and murders? Its a simple question.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
M
I never chew and spit paan in public. Nor here neither in Karachi. But yes:Majority of you kind do where you come from
I have seen many paindoos who are living with sweapresses of Canada without marriages, just because to get status here.
I have seen many paindoos who claimed to be MQM workers and got refugee status here, but after that those NAMAK HARAMS running compaigns against Muhajirs in Canada haram kho is Oxymoron word because you people have done exactly that in beautiful Sindh
I have seen many paindoos who have come here after getting fake marriages with their real sisters and Bhabis just to enter to Canada YOU guys have been coming to Pakistan for sixty years on same fake visa and settling in Urban Sindh
I have seen many paindoos who are on dole money but driving Taxis and doing cash jobs.
I have seen many Paindoo couples here who declared themselves a divorcee and claiming single parent status and heavy financial support from govt. but still living together.
list goes on and on..........

Sorry to others if they get offended. This LOWFLY guy started this non sense here by calling me BHAIYYA, and he truly deserves whart I replied to him.[/QUOTE
I posted it instead of anwering you talked about some BS.....Have you assimilated in main stream Canadian life.......lets see you answer this...please leave alcohol and girls aside.....because your cousins are doing that in Bollywood.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Your reply really exposes your mentality and upbringing .. such gross generalizations. All this to support your Altaf? shame on you ... MQM is a cancer ..

He cannot take the oath because these MQM supporters are like a ccncer, they will not be cured but they just refuse to go away. They know in their hearts they got it good in Karachi or Pakistan...they know first hand how their extended family lives in UP and Bihar. They keep coming across our Eastern border, illegally and through marriages.
 

MRiaz

Voter (50+ posts)
Banady day putar bano.Hum sub Pakistani hain................Main nay apni life main aaj tak na to Gulf main or na hi Europe main kisi Indian ko aisi bakwas kertay nahi suna...or na hi kabhi kis or qoom nay aisi batian ya dis cuss ki hai.Hum sub PAKISTANI hain.Localistaion say bahar niklo Duniya Global Village ka narah laga rahi hain.....Or yeh nalion kay keeray Punjabi,sindi,baloochi or pashtoon kay naray chor,lahorei gujrati,kohati pata nahi kia kia bukwas kertay ....Hum sub Pakistani hain....Or Pakistan army hamari hai.
Ghr main achay buray sub hotay hain.....Khabardar ayand koi aisi bukwas jo Pakistan main tafrka dalay...Is website per share na karay.PAKISTAN ZINDA BAD
 

Mansoor Khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
That's EXACTLY what i meant Wahab, we love to blame others for our sufferings and hence all the blame on Punjabis SIMPLY because they are in majority. This thread is a proof that we have had SEVERAL Pushtoon head of states, Army generals and even DG ISI and nothing changed in terms of policies, using proxies etc etc so my point is why blame Punjabis when even Pushtoons couldn't do much?
Don't get me wrong bro, Pushtoons for me are as much respectable as any Punjabi but i stand corrected that we find it easy to blame others. We all blame each other for our national problems and collectively blame America and West for all of our problems.

I had read your other comment and you from nowhere got the idea that you guys like mohajirs and punjabis first put your pakistan and then ur ethnicity. well that is not the case my brother. you know there are people who call themselves muhajir after 60 years of migration means there is somethign wrong in the thinking and as far as punjabis are accused the reason is state machinery with beaurocrats and technocrats along with army all are considered mostly punjab populated. you are being blamed for a reason dude. I remember back when i was in pakistan and i used to see the ads of punjab govt on PTV in the cases where it would be difficult to watch any serial of anyother language. punjabi songs are circulated all over on our national televisions where no other music is played can you tell me of anyone song from other lanugage no. this is what is called punjab dominancy. and the big problem is that whoever you select is going to lead us if we like him or not. there is a problem of resource distribution too. minerals like sui and other stuff are produced in baluchistan, electricity in kpk and ports in sind are all federal things but wheat is more produced in punjab so i was there when there was shortage of wheat and punjab stopped circulation of wheat to kpk as it was a provincial subject adn they could do it. so naturally others got angry that we live near tarbela dam and lost our lands to it and we dont have such a good supply of electricity yet when other stop food on us why can';t we stop electricity.
by the way blaming others is the psyche of whole pakistan and everyone is included including those who are in majority and who are not in majority.

though i personally dont have my liking for these stupid issues. but my view or the way i take it is the gross mismanagement and the hypocrisy of our ruling elites. conquerers have a psyche or conquerers and defeated people show signs of defeatism. we are in the latter category now. but inshalla i hope and i can forsee we will be over it.
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Amazing and conspicuous presentation of the word "Mohajir" .

I think that refers to what YOU try to present as a mohajir,

twsited and distroted.......... born in Pakistan never been anywhere mohajirs ......

After a week of trying to find some crumb that may back up YOUR version of the perversion you have called mohajir

Now answer the simple question.......

YOU said the word Mohajor was "Invented" to describe only those who migrated from india selectively from UP etc.

YOU know that is what comes out of the back end of a bull.......

You could not answer or justify anything....

Are you denying tht those who migrated from Mecca to Madina with the Holy Prophet PBUH, were called "Muhajireen".

That is the origin of the word mohajir,,,,,,,,,,, If you can prove that is not so, I will believe the crap you wrote


That is what all you poor brainwashed little Altaf Pujari slaves have, an illness which makes you believe everything that comes out of his fat ugly being
 
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