Slap on the faces of those who called IK as Taliban Khan when he propossed talks with them.

[Bilal_Mushi]

Talks with Taliban underway: Britain

Updated at: 0448 PST, Friday, May 27, 2011

ISLAMABAD: Britain’s Special Representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan Mark Sedwill has revealed that Karzai government is formally engaged in talks with Taliban, Geo News reported.

Talking to senior journalists, Sedwill said that Pak-UK bilateral relations are strong, adding that these relations were further strengthening. He said that stable Afghanistan is in the best interest of Pakistan.
http://geo.tv/5-27-2011/81804.htm



US engaged in direct talks with Taliban: report

Updated at: 0759 PST, Friday, May 27, 2011

WASHINGTON: American officials have met with a senior aide to the fugitive Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, at least three times in recent months in the first direct exploratory peace talks, officials in the region said, a US paper claimed.

The meetings have been facilitated by Germany and Qatar, but American officials have been present each time, meeting with Tayeb Agha, who is a close personal assistant to Mullah Omar, the officials said. The C.I.A. and the State Department have been involved in the meetings, one official said.

Talks have begun before the killing of Osama bin Laden on May 2.

The presence of Mr. Agha, a longtime personal assistant of the reclusive Taliban leader, is a sign that the Taliban are serious despite their public opposition to peace talks, the officials said.

Yet the senior Afghan official cautioned that the meetings might not represent much because Mr. Agha was known to be no longer particularly close to Mullah Omar. Mr. Agha was a much trusted personal assistant, answering phone calls and making appointments for Mullah Omar, for most of the Taliban’s time in power, from 1994 to 2001.

The meetings have been conducted without the participation of Pakistan.

Germany, which has troops in northern Afghanistan, has led the process with the Taliban and hosted some meetings, while Qatar has hosted another, according to the officials.

http://geo.tv/5-27-2011/81807.htm

 

[abbasiali]

Well these Talibaan's manage their fatal activities all over Pakistan, but on two big DHARNA in Peshawer and Karachi they didn't target these gatherings, these could be the most softest target for them, isn't strange?

 

[Bilal_Mushi]

Talibans or TTP? Please don't say that they are same.

Well these Talibaan's manage their fatal activities all over Pakistan, but on two big DHARNA in Peshawer and Karachi they didn't target these gatherings, these could be the most softest target for them, isn't strange?

 

[Bilal_Mushi]

Yeh they are also big supporters of NS........... not a single attach on him.

Well these Talibaan's manage their fatal activities all over Pakistan, but on two big DHARNA in Peshawer and Karachi they didn't target these gatherings, these could be the most softest target for them, isn't strange?

 

[samar]

i think afghan taliban and TTP are two different entities we shd not confuse ourselves by the same name used...............

Afghans are fighting for their liberty from occupational forces they are good bad ................ we are not responsible for their acts..........Its their land.......

our concern is TTP the terrorists working against Pakistan...............Supported by anti pakistan elements.

they have sympathies of extremist Mullas ,Saudies, UAE and many insiders from our forces.............

these were the elements that Musharraf wanted to point out during his time............he always stated that "hmain ander se khatra he bahir se nhi"...........but nobody understood that bcs nobody had the vision to see what was coming in the future............

These elements i.e TTP their anti pakistan allies(RAW,CIA,Mosad,and extremist elements in our ISI and defence forces) are the worst enemies for pakistan.............bcs they are insiders.......they are well trained well equiped, and have inside knowledge about our weak points..............

at first step we have to cut down their resources we shd tackle with all their supporters inside our ISI and defence forces..............if we do not do this then defeating the enemy who is inside your home is very difficult.

 

[fahim]

Har aik kaam ko salikay sai bant rakha hai yahi log aagh dangay yeah hawa dengay ....

 

[noman3000]

Well these Talibaan's manage their fatal activities all over Pakistan, but on two big DHARNA in Peshawer and Karachi they didn't target these gatherings, these could be the most softest target for them, isn't strange?

Y talibans will attack their own leaders? ;)

 

[dukelondon]

i think afghan taliban and TTP are two different entities we shd not confuse ourselves by the same name used...............

Afghans are fighting for their liberty from occupational forces they are good bad ................ we are not responsible for their acts..........Its their land.......

our concern is TTP the terrorists working against Pakistan...............Supported by anti pakistan elements.

they have sympathies of extremist Mullas ,Saudies, UAE and many insiders from our forces.............

these were the elements that Musharraf wanted to point out during his time............he always stated that "hmain ander se khatra he bahir se nhi"...........but nobody understood that bcs nobody had the vision to see what was coming in the future............

These elements i.e TTP their anti pakistan allies(RAW,CIA,Mosad,and extremist elements in our ISI and defence forces) are the worst enemies for pakistan.............bcs they are insiders.......they are well trained well equiped, and have inside knowledge about our weak points..............

at first step we have to cut down their resources we shd tackle with all their supporters inside our ISI and defence forces..............if we do not do this then defeating the enemy who is inside your home is very difficult.

Excellent post bro but kuch bay.ghairton ko kabhi sharam aur ghairat nahi aaii gi. Almiya ye hai kay meray pyaray watan Pakistan kay sab say baray dushman Pakistan kay kuch zameer farosh Shehri hain aur aisay mulk ko kisi aur dushman ki zaroorat nahi.

 

[saeed khan]

Pakistanis who oppose IK and call him Talban Khan should think again.
These people and their leader want friendship for peace and development of our country with
A country whose nationals killed our millions of people in 1947.
A country who attacked twice 1971, 1965 on Pakistan.
A country who has never accepted our country.
A country who has blocked our rivers.
Our one political party leader went there and said my countrymen did the biggest mistake of mankind history.
If we should forgive and have friendship with a country like this then what is the problem in talks with Talban for peace and development of our economy.
US is Talking with Talban to protect its people and economy whereas US economy is much more stronger than ours, its citizens are too far from here whereas we have border with Afghanistan, then why not we can have peace talks with Talban for peace and protection of our citizens.
If you say Imran Khan, Talban Khan then Altaf Hussain should be called " Altaf Singh"

 

[fahid_asif]

Agay agay deikhiye hota ha kiya.
Shahzada imran khan.
N league bhi aj kal ik ki policy chori ker k channels pe bhonk rhey hain.

 

[Ammad Hafeez]

Talibans or TTP? Please don't say that they are same.

Uzbek are in Taliban and Al-qaida and attack on PNS-Mehran Uzbek terrorists involved.
It means, Taliban and Al-qaida both were involved in it

 

[GeoG]

Well these Talibaan's manage their fatal activities all over Pakistan, but on two big DHARNA in Peshawer and Karachi they didn't target these gatherings, these could be the most softest target for them, isn't strange?

Wonder what are you implying with this
Taliban are US agents or Army agents??

 

[aasimnaveed]

abbasiali why they never target MQM JALSSA??? .. MQM walo se bhi koi rishta hoga na TTP ka jesy IK se hai apki nazar me ...


by the way anybody knows whats the result fo REFERENDUM conducted by MQM???...anyupdate .. i think ammad will give me this info ... :)

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

Of course the only way is talks

America is “moving toward the last chapter” of the war in Afghanistan, Sen. John Kerry said Friday.
Kerry, the chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, recently went to Afghanistan and Pakistan, where he met with leaders in both nations and visited U.S. troops. The Massachusetts Democrat spoke Friday at the Taunton Inn, where state Sen. Marc Pacheco’s Business and Economic Advisory Council was meeting.
“The president wants to reduce our footprint in Afghanistan, and I think we should,” he said. “There is no military solution to Afghanistan or Pakistan. Every general will tell you that.”
What, then, is the political solution?
“That’s what’s being worked on now,” he said.
With questions swirling about the U.S.-Pakistani relationship in the aftermath of the raid that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, Kerry said Pakistan is an important ally. Half of the supplies that go to U.S. troops in Afghanistan travel through Pakistan, and U.S. intelligence officers often depend on cooperation with Pakistani forces on the ground, he explained.
That said, Kerry explained that he would like to see Pakistan play a larger role in countering insurgency near its western border. Across the border, Afghanistan needs to be able to move into a position to effectively defend itself from insurgents as well, he said.
“We’re going to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan when we can get the Afghans to stand up for themselves,” Kerry explained.
Another argument for reducing U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, Kerry said, is the monetary cost.
“We’re spending $120 billion a year in Afghanistan, and we can’t sustain that,” he said.
Unlike traditional wars, Kerry said, efforts to combat terrorism need to rely on law enforcement, intelligence and special forces instead of sheer military mass.
“As I said — and I was much maligned for saying this in 2004 — is that the war on terror is a different kind of war,” he said. “All I suggested was exactly what happened when we got Osama bin Laden.”


Read more: http://www.tauntongazette.com/archiv...#ixzz1NY4u2IqK

 

[tauseef-it]

Another Fake Story by Media......

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

The Newyork times

U.S. Has Held Meetings With Aide to Taliban Leader, Officials Say
By CARLOTTA GALL and RUHULLAH KHAPALWAK
Published: May 26, 2011

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — American officials have met with a senior aide to the fugitive Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, at least three times in recent months in the first direct exploratory peace talks, officials in the region said.

The meetings have been facilitated by Germany and Qatar, but American officials have been present each time, meeting with Tayeb Agha, who is a close personal assistant to Mullah Omar, the officials said. The C.I.A. and the State Department have been involved in the meetings, one official said.

The meetings were first reported by The Washington Post last week and the German magazine Der Spiegel this week. A senior Afghan official and Western officials working in the region confirmed the reports on the condition of anonymity because they were not permitted to talk to the news media about the issue.

Begun well before the killing of Osama bin Laden on May 2, the meetings represent a clear shift in the attitude of the Obama administration toward peace talks with the Taliban, first signaled by a speech in February by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Western officials said. In that speech Mrs. Clinton said that previous requirements for starting talks could instead be considered “desired outcomes,” opening the way to exploratory meetings without preconditions.

The presence of Mr. Agha, a longtime personal assistant of the reclusive Taliban leader, is a sign that the Taliban are serious despite their public opposition to peace talks, the officials said. Through spokesmen and in e-mailed statements, the Taliban have always rejected peace talks until foreign forces leave Afghanistan. But privately, through intermediaries, they have insisted on direct meetings with United States officials, which would give them official recognition of their movement.

Mr. Agha speaks English and Arabic, and he has been easily identified, avoiding the false start that occurred last year when an impostor posed as a Taliban commander, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, in meetings with Afghans and NATO officials. Mr. Agha is reported to have attended a dinner hosted by the king of Saudi Arabia several years ago, which was seen as the first American-sanctioned overture toward the Taliban.

Yet the senior Afghan official cautioned that the meetings might not represent much because Mr. Agha was known to be no longer particularly close to Mullah Omar. Mr. Agha was a much trusted personal assistant, answering phone calls and making appointments for Mullah Omar, for most of the Taliban’s time in power, from 1994 to 2001. Now in his late 30s, Mr. Agha is thought to have lived in Quetta, Pakistan, since the fall of the Taliban in 2001, and to have remained in touch with the Taliban leader. Yet his authority to speak for the insurgents remains unclear.

Mullah Omar’s ability to control the increasingly radicalized insurgent commanders and groups allied with the Taliban also remains in question. He is still the spiritual leader of the Taliban movement, and he certainly retains strong command over Taliban forces in southern Afghanistan, which represent the bulk of the insurgency. Yet the increasingly radical Pakistani Taliban groups that send insurgents to Afghanistan and the Haqqani family, which runs its own fief in Pakistan’s tribal areas, have disregarded Mullah Omar’s orders in the past despite swearing allegiance to him.

The meetings have been conducted without the participation of Pakistan, which has long called for negotiations with the Taliban as a way to end the war on its western border and which has insisted that it also be included. Pakistan’s chief of army staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, even offered President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan his help in bringing Taliban insurgent leaders, who are widely known to use Pakistan’s tribal area as a sanctuary, to the negotiating table.

Yet Pakistan is regarded with suspicion by Kabul, and increasingly by Washington and other NATO capitals, because of its longtime support for the Taliban, and those working on contacts with the Taliban have sought to draw them away from Pakistan’s controlling influence. One issue under discussion is the opening of a representative office for the Taliban in a third country, possibly Turkey or Qatar.

“You cannot do reconciliation without Pakistan, but also they can be a spoiler,” said one European diplomat in the region. The diplomat spoke on the condition of anonymity, in keeping with diplomatic protocol.

The Obama administration is instead conducting parallel but separate dialogues: one between the United States, Afghanistan and the Taliban; and a second between the United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistan appears to be satisfied with this track so far and sent its most senior bureaucrat in the Pakistani Foreign Ministry, Salman Bashir, to the latest round of trilateral talks in Kabul on Tuesday.

Mr. Bashir, whose brother, Adm. Noman Bashir, is commander of the Pakistani Navy, is known to work closely with the Pakistani military establishment, which has increasingly assumed control of foreign policy from the civilian government in recent months.

In Kabul, Mr. Bashir strongly endorsed the efforts of Mr. Karzai and the people of Afghanistan to promote peace. “There is increasing recognition that the way forward is to promote reconciliation, peace and stability,” he told journalists.

Pakistan has delayed carrying out a trade transit agreement, which was pushed through by the United States’ special envoy to the region, Richard C. Holbrooke, last year before his death, but the two countries have now agreed to put the treaty into operation by June 12, according to a statement by the American diplomat at the meeting, E. Anthony Wayne.

Germany, which has troops in northern Afghanistan, has led the process with the Taliban and hosted some meetings, while Qatar has hosted another, according to the officials.

A spokesman at the German Foreign Ministry in Berlin could not confirm that any meetings occurred, but officials interviewed said a number had taken place, moderated by Germany’s special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Michael Steiner. Mr. Steiner had worked with Mr. Holbrooke on the Dayton Accords to end the war in Bosnia and was asked by the American diplomat to lead the 50-member contact group for Afghanistan.

European countries with troops in Afghanistan have been keen for some years to start a process of negotiation with the Taliban as part of an exit strategy, but the process barely moved until the Obama administration shifted gears on reconciliation in the past few months, one Western official said.

Carlotta Gall reported from Islamabad, and Ruhullah Khapalwak from Kabul, Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/world/asia/27taliban.html?_r=1

 

[Bilal_Mushi]

My question is still un-answered.............. Are TTP and Talibans same?

Uzbek are in Taliban and Al-qaida and attack on PNS-Mehran Uzbek terrorists involved.
It means, Taliban and Al-qaida both were involved in it

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

My question is still un-answered.............. Are TTP and Talibans same?

Afghan Taliban are seperate to TTP

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

The Irish Times

Talks with Taliban key to ending war, says president

DANIEL DOMBEY in Washington

BARACK OBAMA has emphasised his administration’s efforts to get talks with the Taliban off the ground ahead of a decision to draw down numbers of US troops in Afghanistan.

The US president was unusually explicit about his view that in order for the 10-year war to end, negotiations with the Islamist militants must take place. He also declared his readiness to authorise a strike to kill Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader. “There needs to be a political settlement,” he said. “Ultimately, it means talking to the Taliban.”

The US president has already promised to begin drawing down the 30,000-strong US troop surge in Afghanistan next month – although his administration has yet to agree on the size of the troop reductions and the speed at which they will be carried out.

One senior European diplomat added that more significant troop reductions could take place next year if negotiations with the Taliban leaders made progress. He confirmed that behind-the-scenes contacts – and “talks about talks” – had also intensified recently.

US officials have expressed their hope that Osama bin Laden’s death and fears for their own safety could prompt Taliban leaders to enter talks.

Many Pakistani and US commentators regard the death of bin Laden as opening an opportunity to advance talks with the Afghan Taliban, and to drive forward a three-way negotiation between Kabul, Islamabad and Washington. However, many commentators note the Taliban is not a unified group and the US itself acknowledges the lead in any talks would be taken by the government of Hamid Karzai.

Negotiating with the Taliban is an established objective of the US administration – a goal it describes as “reconciliation”. In his comments Mr Obama outlined the three conditions the US says should apply to the Taliban – that it should break ties with al-Qaeda, renounce violence and abide by the Afghan constitution.

But the US desire for talks appeared to have already outstripped such conditions last year, when Nato flew a supposed Taliban leader to Kabul for negotiations with Mr Karzai – only to discover the man was an imposter.

Some US officials also express a fear that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which has historic ties to the Taliban, has sought to obstruct negotiations.

But in comments that will not please Islamabad, Mr Obama said he would be willing to stage another raid in Pakistan such as the mission that killed bin Laden.

Asked whether he would do the same again if the US discovered the whereabouts of Mr Omar or another target, he said: “I’ve always been clear to the Pakistanis . . . We cannot allow someone who is actively planning to kill our people or our allies’ people [to bring their plans to fruition] without us taking some action.”

– (Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2011)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0523/1224297548355.html

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

read the above and see. USA is talking with the Afghan Taliban and tells us not to talk with TTP