Not to every1 but you 2 r sticking up for sufism and by the way do u think we r stupid........in ur post 195 u praised this guy for replying my post which both of u didn't read and understand.......go back and find out i ll not do the work 4 u.
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You are still not understanding. Let me tell u more in simple language. You know Tasawwuf is a branch of Islamic knowledge which focuses on the spiritual development of the Muslim.
Allah sent His final messenger, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)), as a source of knowledge for the entire ummah. He was the fountain of Quran, Hadith, tafsir, rhetoric, fiqh, and so on. After the Prophet(pbuh)), the scholars of this ummah carried and propagated each of these branches of knowledge. Because no one person can attain the perfection of the Prophet (pbuh)), who single handedly assumed all of these roles, various branches of the Islamic sciences developed. For example, Imam Abu Hanifah preserved the science of fiqh and after him thousands of scholars continued in his footsteps. Hence these scholars preserved the fiqh of the Prophet(pbuh)) . Similarly Imam Bukhari and the other famous scholars of Hadith, preserved the words of the Prophet(pbuh)). The scholars of tajweed preserved the recitation of the Prophet (pbuh)). And, the scholars of Arabic grammar preserved the language of the Prophet (pbuh)).
Along these lines, the Prophet (pbuh)) was the model of spirituality for the world. His God-consciousness, deep spirituality, acts of worship, and love for Allah were preserved and propagated by an Islamic science called Tasawwuf. The aim of the scholars of this science was purification of the heart, and development of consciousness of Allah through submission to the shariah and sunnah (Sufism).
"Islamic science called Tasawwuf" , please give me references of quran and hadith.
All these scholors u named starting from Abu Hanifah Remat Allah Alhay, prove tasawwuf and sufism from them..........
Just like shia do......show their love and associations with ahley-bait and most of the every thing against the teaching of ahley-bait.
Similarly, ppl of sufism take the name of Abu Hanifah and do all kind of unproved acts on the name of this pious scholar......i have post a video previously as areply to u imam abu Hanifah is free from any thing against quran and sunnah u do and put the blame to that scholar.......
Prove sufism from any of the four imams of ahley-sunat............donot just copy paste text from here and there from the books and sites of sufis.
Remeber this word of prise and your buddy and donot 4get like u just did ..........Good answer but how can he know. You have told the specialisations of different people. His najdi religon started 200 years ago so he doesnt knows more than what they tell. The specialisation of najdis is to call every one shirk and kafar and take people away from Islam.
Not to every1 but you 2 r sticking up for sufism and by the way do u think we r stupid........in ur post 195 u praised this guy for replying my post which both of u didn't read and understand.......go back and find out i ll not do the work 4 u.
I think you have completely gone blank and dont know what to answer. I didnt tell about Gilani I told about you that why do you want me to comment on some woman in the video.
Millions of ppl.......no fake stories please, we had been hearing this from childhood stupidly without any concrete proofs..................Any1 accept islam if Allah wills not sufis or any1..........Allah can use a kafir to spread his words.................Thats what I told that any person who tells anything out of Quran and Sunnah is wrong. So I am following Quran and Hadees and you are not. Sufism is no separate religon and this is an english word to describe the specialisation [that brother Gilani told] and Aulia Allah only told Islam and converted millions of people to Islam.
I have told every thing from Quran and Hadees and so how can Sufis be wrong because I told every thing what they tell. You are just playing on a weak wicket and eventually you are on the losing side and Islam is the ever victorious.
The prophet(pbuh) could not convert his uncle Talib, bcaz Allah didn't will.
"Islamic science called Tasawwuf" , please give me references of quran and hadith.
All these scholors u named starting from Abu Hanifah Remat Allah Alhay, prove tasawwuf and sufism from them..........
Just like shia do......show their love and associations with ahley-bait and most of the every thing against the teaching of ahley-bait.
Similarly, ppl of sufism take the name of Abu Hanifah and do all kind of unproved acts on the name of this pious scholar......i have post a video previously as areply to u imam abu Hanifah is free from any thing against quran and sunnah u do and put the blame to that scholar.......
Prove sufism from any of the four imams of ahley-sunat............donot just copy paste text from here and there from the books and sites of sufis.
As I said I cannot convince biggoted minds.
How simple kid u r, y would i ask u abt a woman in the video............get out of Najdi fobia and pay some attention, u still donot understand wot i mean do u?I think you have completely gone blank and dont know what to answer. I didnt tell about Gilani I told about you that why do you want me to comment on some woman in the video.
Remeber this word of prise and your buddy and donot 4get like u just did ..........
I dont have to remember every thing because every thing is recorded O najdi follower. You have no answer and now this is what you have been left that remember this and remember that. What I will like I will say good and what I will not agree I will not tell good. If you have any answer then talk otherwise dont waste time.
COnvice ur self first.........talk left right will not get u any where.........lie doesnt have feetAs I said I cannot convince biggoted minds.
How simple kid u r, y would i ask u abt a woman in the video............get out of Najdi fobia and pay some attention, u still donot understand wot i mean do u?
You have no answer and so you telling kid and kafir and this and that. Lies dont have feet and so you r talking like a liar.
4 u ur aqal may be guide thats y u say sufism is good...........but for a muslim like and donot like is not important but the quran and sunnahI dont have to remember every thing because every thing is recorded O najdi follower. You have no answer and now this is what you have been left that remember this and remember that. What I will like I will say good and what I will not agree I will not tell good. If you have any answer then talk otherwise dont waste time.
My brothers in islam,
Please, forgive me for using any word or style which might have offened you. My Allah knows that i didn't have such attention.
For Allah's sake please go back to this thread and read the messages agian and see if you can understand and donot 4get to seek Allah's help.......without that we cant do any thing.
If confused at any stage, please ask Allah (swt) who is everr living and ever listening............all the piouse ppl who are dead donot listen to u and donot hold them as wasila but hold Allah's great names as wasila or ur good deads as wasila or ask an alive piouse person to make dua for u.
May Allah (swt) open your eyes and hearts (Ameen)
Please, forgive me for using any word or style which might have offened you. My Allah knows that i didn't have such attention.
For Allah's sake please go back to this thread and read the messages agian and see if you can understand and donot 4get to seek Allah's help.......without that we cant do any thing.
If confused at any stage, please ask Allah (swt) who is everr living and ever listening............all the piouse ppl who are dead donot listen to u and donot hold them as wasila but hold Allah's great names as wasila or ur good deads as wasila or ask an alive piouse person to make dua for u.
May Allah (swt) open your eyes and hearts (Ameen)
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My brothers in islam,
Please, forgive me for using any word or style which might have offened you. My Allah known that i didn't have such attention.
For Allah's sake please go back to this thread and read the messages agian and see if you can understand and donot 4get to seek Allah's help.......without that we cant do any thing.
If confused at any stage, please ask Allah (swt) who is everr living and ever listening............all the piouse ppl who are dead donot listen to u and donot hold them as wasila but hold Allah's great names as wasila or ur good deads as wasila or ask an alive piouse person to make dua for u.
May Allah (swt) open your eyes and hearts (Ameen)
You are making fun of me and all of us. We are not denying or changing Islam. It is philosophy you will not understand. But you already know that in Asrar-i-Khudi, Iqbal has explained his philosophy of "Self". He proves by various means that the whole universe obeys the will of the "Self". Iqbal condemns self-destruction. For him the aim of life is self-realization and self-knowledge. He charts the stages through which the "Self" has to pass before finally arriving at its point of perfection, enabling the knower of the "Self" to become the vicegerent of Allah on earth. Iqbal believes the answers to essential questions regarding the ego are important in determining morality for both the society and the individual
Sufism is a way of life in which a deeper identity and self is discovered and lived. This deeper identity, or essential Self, is beyond the already known personality and is in harmony with everything that exists. It has abilities of awareness, action, creativity, and love that are far beyond those of the superficial personality. Eventually it is understood that these abilities belong to a greater Being that we each individualize in our own unique way while never being separate from it.
Its good that the real face of the najdis has been also revealed in this topic because their aim was not to speak against sufis but also not against four mazhabs but against Islam. Their Pakistani agents r like Tousif Rahman and Zubair who have a special grudge against the four mazhabs Shafi Maliki Hanfi and Hanbali. They have special love for yazeed and they hate Aulia Allah of all four mazhabs also. They keep on changing and dont answer to anything when I have showed Quran and Hadees. They r still continueing to say they r the Muslims and rest of the world r Kafirs because they do takleed.
May Allah guide us and keep in His refuge from the najdis Ameen.
May Allah guide us and keep in His refuge from the najdis Ameen.
Asrar-i-Khudi is a kalam of a man and not word of Allah.You are making fun of me and all of us. We are not denying or changing Islam. It is philosophy you will not understand. But you already know that in Asrar-i-Khudi, Iqbal has explained his philosophy of "Self". He proves by various means that the whole universe obeys the will of the "Self". Iqbal condemns self-destruction. For him the aim of life is self-realization and self-knowledge. He charts the stages through which the "Self" has to pass before finally arriving at its point of perfection, enabling the knower of the "Self" to become the vicegerent of Allah on earth. Iqbal believes the answers to essential questions regarding the ego are important in determining morality for both the society and the individual
Sufism is a way of life in which a deeper identity and self is discovered and lived. This deeper identity, or essential Self, is beyond the already known personality and is in harmony with everything that exists. It has abilities of awareness, action, creativity, and love that are far beyond those of the superficial personality. Eventually it is understood that these abilities belong to a greater Being that we each individualize in our own unique way while never being separate from it.
After accepting islam, i learned that islam is complete code of life.........if i look for any thing else say sufism then that makes the "islam as complete code of life" wrong........i am not willing to change my deen........my deen is islam and there is no room for any invention..........
No problem if u keep sufism just a philosophy and not islam..........
Islam was revealed, sufiism was crafted
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All four mazhabs convey the teachings of islam and not sufism...........if u donot agree then prove.Its good that the real face of the najdis has been also revealed in this topic because their aim was not to speak against sufis but also not against four mazhabs but against Islam. Their Pakistani agents r like Tousif Rahman and Zubair who have a special grudge against the four mazhabs Shafi Maliki Hanfi and Hanbali. They have special love for yazeed and they hate Aulia Allah of all four mazhabs also. They keep on changing and dont answer to anything when I have showed Quran and Hadees. They r still continueing to say they r the Muslims and rest of the world r Kafirs because they do takleed.
May Allah guide us and keep in His refuge from the najdis Ameen.
All four mazhabs convey the teachings of islam and not sufism...........if u donot agree then prove.
Then why are you separate najdis and why dont you follow the four mazhabs. Aulia Allah didnt preach any separate fiqah or sharia from the four schools. This is about the Aulia Allah who followed four mazhabs. Good you r showing your hate for Aulia Allah and four mazhabs. You also attacked the way of namaz of Hanfis in one of your previous post. Do you want me to show you. Your Tousif Rahman and Zubair and other najdis also attack the four mazhabs. Do you want me to show their videos.
You are a najdi follower who is filled with hate for 1 billion Muslims which include the four mazhabs of Sunni and you also hate Shias. You r full of hate.
Then why are you separate najdis and why dont you follow the four mazhabs. Aulia Allah didnt preach any separate fiqah or sharia from the four schools. This is about the Aulia Allah who followed four mazhabs. Good you r showing your hate for Aulia Allah and four mazhabs. You also attacked the way of namaz of Hanfis in one of your previous post. Do you want me to show you. Your Tousif Rahman and Zubair and other najdis also attack the four mazhabs. Do you want me to show their videos.
You are a najdi follower who is filled with hate for 1 billion Muslims which include the four mazhabs of Sunni and you also hate Shias. You r full of hate.
I ask you chana you reply joe.........As there are no sensible ppl participating in this thread any more........I would request cefspan who initiated this thread to drop me a message if there is any useful discussion get started or any simplton muslims get to this thread and get confused by the inventors in the deen and the facts twisters.
I ask you chana you reply joe.........As there are no sensible ppl participating in this thread any more........I would request cefspan who initiated this thread to drop me a message if there is any useful discussion get started or any simplton muslims get to this thread and get confused by the inventors in the deen and the facts twisters.
I have answered according to what you told. You are escaping and avoiding to accept that najdis r a separate deviant branch which dont follow the four mazhabs. I have already told that Aulia Allah dont preach anything out of Islam. Thats why all the Muslims where Aulia Allah preached follow the four mazhabs which are Hanfi Shafi Maliki and Hanbali.
Simple example is Bangladesh where Imam Abu Hanifa didnt travel and Aulia Allah preached Islam and the Muslims of Bangladesh and India and Pakistan follow Hanfi fiqah.
Imam Malik didnt travel to west Africa but people due to preaching of Aulia Allah follow Maliki fiqah and so on. I think this is enough to conclude the discussion and shatter the myth that Aulia Allah preached any thing out of Islam. Its the najdis who preach a new deviant branch.
Asrar-i-Khudi is a kalam of a man and not word of Allah.
After accepting islam, i learned that islam is complete code of life.........if i look for any thing else say sufism then that makes the "islam as complete code of life" wrong........i am not willing to change my deen........my deen is islam and there is no room for any invention..........
No problem if u keep sufism just a philosophy and not islam..........
Islam was revealed, sufiism was crafted
The Concept of Khudii or the 'higher Self' is synonymous with Allama Mohammed Iqbal, who was perhaps the greatest philosopher-poet of the modern era, his stature and visionary outlook being perceived to be head and shoulders above the times that he and his contemporaries lived in. In fact, the greatest tribute to his stature among poets is that even to this day, poets , academicians, researchers and scholars of urdu, farsi & Arabic poetry and philosophy the world over simply cannot but approach his works except with the deepest sense of awe and admiration at the depth of his thoughts. Allama Iqbal has always been very close to my heart because of his philosophical explanation of Khudii and Sufism, but no man on this earth is greater than our beloved Prophet Muhammed - SAWS).
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