The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield

[biomat]

Dear Babadeena
Assalam-o-alaikum
If you are following this thread, would u like to shed light on the ayats quoted by brother redaxe from Sural AL-HAQQAH (69:45 to 47)..
I know about these ayats & its shan-e-nazool, i would love to hear from you as you explain quranic ayats with confidence..
Waiting for quick & logical reply.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[QADIANITRUTH]

Kaleem ch.

Thank you for your respons. Before I start a reply, I humbly request you to read my post with open mind and without bias for your faith. Its a hard thing to do but try and you will see the truth InshaAllah.
Lets talk about 'khatam'.

I quote you

" However the word "Khatam" is usually misunderstood as the last. The correct meaning of this word is the "Seal" and I know you will take this meaning as the sealing of door of prophethood that none one can enter in. Jammat-e-Ahmadiyya takes the meaning as the exhalted or the best of the best or the highest possible status."

Unquote:

You are giving us half truth. The word 'khatam' means 'last' and 'seal' also. Even when you use wod 'seal' its used as something finished and sealed, like we close an envelop and 'seal' Word 'khatam' is used as ' final' too in the context of pophethood. You have to at least listen to how your Mirza ghulam translated.

I quote Mirza from his own writing when he translated 33:40.

Ref. Roohani Khatin, vol. 3 azala-e-aouham, page 431 or pdf 463-727

Here is link from your official website:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/Ruhani-Khazain-Vol-03.pdf

" Meaning Muhammed pbuh is not the father of any of you but is a prophet of Allah and final (ender) of prophets. This verse logically proves that after our nabi pbuh, there will be no nabi."

HERE MIRZA CLEARLY TRANSLATED KHATAM AS FINAL OR ENDER OF PROPHETS.

There are other occeasions where Mirza proved that khatam means last or final. Here is another for record and that will also prove that Mirza lies too. Let me show you how.

Ruhani khazine vol. 3, izala-e-aouham page 511 or pdf 543 of 727
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/Ruhani-Khazain-Vol-03.pdf

Translation:
" Quran does not allow any prophet after KHATAM AN NABIYYEEN, NEW or old. Because prophet is given knowledge through angel Jibrael and door for the descending of Jebrael for prophetic revelation is closed. The phenominan of coming of a prophet but no revelation is self denying. "

Here again Mirza tells us that no prophet after khatam un naniyeen pbuh. He is using KHATAM UN NABIYYEN as ender of prophethood. But he also said that descend of Gebrail a.s. for prophetic revelation is ended too as the prophethood has ended. Good point ..... but what do you say about this?

Ref. ruhani khazine vol. 22 izala aouham page 106, pdf 123-813 (main page and footnote)
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/Ruhani-Khazain-Vol-22.pdf

Translation: " In this revelation from god (wahi-e-ilahi), the apparent menaing is that I will make mistake ..... (HERE MIRZA CLAINMING RECEIVING WAHI AND GOES ON TO SAY) ..AAIL came to me."
In the footnote he says" here, Alla Tala gave Gebrail the name of AAIL , beause he comes again and again "

SO MR KALEEM, ABOVE REFERNCES ARE AFROM MIRZA'S BOOKS, LINKS FROM YOUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE AND ARE IN URDU. I will post screen shots if someone needed that too. They show that:
Mirza trannlated Khatam as FINAL or LAST.
When he said that Gebriel will not come for prophetic revelation as this door is closed, WHO WAS AAIL WHO CAME FOR WAHI?
PLEASE TELL US ALL, WHY MIRZA LIED?

On what Mirza did for Islam??? Never a single Qadiani could bring a single argument in favor of Mirza, You said
"Hadhrat Sahab defeated the Arya Samaj, Christians and other Hindus since they were all attacking Islam and Hadhrat Mohammed pbuh"
Unquote:

Doing Munazra and debates does not mean that he defeated them. Even Mirza got so badly defeated by Christians ( ref,. read anjam-atham from Mirza, its on your ofical website). The only thing Mirza did was :

declared all Muslim UMMA as 'non Muslims' who did not believe in him. (REFERENCE FROM MIRZA AND YOUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE AVAILABLE IF CHALENGED)
declared 'obediece to Queen Victoria is an artical of faith for Muslims. (REFERENCE FROM MIRZA AND YOUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE AVAILABLE IF CHALENGED)

Muhammed Bin Qasim, Zaheeruddin Babar and other Muslims saints did far more for islam, today In Indian Sub Continent, there are about 500 million Muslims because of them. How many Mirza brought to Islam? Actually he declared all of us non Muslims and his son , your khalifa sani declared on authority of Mirza all umma as KAFIR AND OUTSIDE PALE OF ISLAM (ref. Truth about Split- page 72) ref from your official website available.

You said
" Yes he was a subordinate prophet i.e not a prophet who brings new laws (shariah) "
Unquote:
But your 'nabi' does not agree with. He claimed to be " ummati and Nabi" and also NABI WITH SHARIAT (LAW). Here is the proof,

Ref. RK 17, Arbeen page 435 or pdf 470 -582
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/Ruhani-Khazain-Vol-17.pdf

" understand what is law (shariat); that who declares few dos and don'ts (commandments) after receiving divine revelation (wahi) and established a LAW for his ummat becomes LAW BEARING. Even by this definition, my opponents are at fault because my wahi (divine revelations) have dos and don’ts too.”

The contradictions are overwhelming in Mirza's writings.

On Eclipse, this is the biggest evidence of deception by Mirza, not the evidence of his truthfulness.

First evidence is THERE IS NO SUCH HADEES, Mirza wote it as hadees, Please show us that hadeeth..( I hope you expect Mirza to know what is hadeeth)
Also, please show the original wording of 'hadeeth'.... I want to give you opportunity to tell the truth, otherwise, I will InshaAllah.

On claim of Maryam, he said he 'metaphrically got pragnent. Let me quote and I will leave the rest to readers"

"Like Maryam the soul of Eisa was breathed into me and metaphorically I was made pregnant, and after many months, which were not more than 10 months, through that inspiration which is mentioned in the end of Braheen Ahmadiyya part 4 page 556, I was converted from Maryam to Eisa, thus this is how I became Eisa Ibne Maryam." (Kishtee-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p. 50)

AND

"Babu Ilahi Bukhsh wants to see your menstruation or get information on some filth and impurity but God will show you his rewards, which will continue, and in you there is no menstruation but that child is developing, such a child who is like the Child of Allah." (Tatumma Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.581)

Page number in above 2 refernces might have been changed, qadiani leaders coninously keep changing their fonts / sizes in an attepmt to hide the refrences..

This link shows an essay by a Muslim ( ex Qadiani) who gave the refernces and quotes from Mirza's books... and you call him nabi?/
http://www.alhafeez.org/rashid/antshunt.htm

 

[Night_Hawk]

@QADIANITRUTH
Very good doing a very good job. Khair:jazak: .
May Allah Guide the misguided.

 

[sayeenwada]

Indeed! May Allah the Exalted guide the misguided as it is pretty clear by now that Pakistani and some other moulvis that misrepresent Islam & it's true teachings have guided Pakistan and other Muslim Nations staright into hell and Jammat Ahmadiyya the true Islam has grown by leaps and bounds across the Globe.

 

[babadeena]

I would like to tell you that Hadharat Promised Masiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) made a claim of being "Mulhim" (A person upon whom God reveals) in 1880s. Lets see what Quran say regarding Hadharat Muhammad (PBUH) and Allah Suna if some one made false claim in name of Allah

Surah Al-Haqqah Verse 45 to 47

[69:45] وَلَوۡ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيۡنَا بَعۡضَ ٱلۡأَقَاوِيلِ
And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:45] اور اگر وہ بعض باتیں جھوٹے طور پر ہماری طرف منسوب کر دیتا ۔


[69:46] لَأَخَذۡنَا مِنۡهُ بِٱلۡيَمِينِ
We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:46] تو ہم اُسے ضرور داہنے ہاتھ سے پکڑ لیتے۔

[69:47] ثُمَّ لَقَطَعۡنَا مِنۡهُ ٱلۡوَتِينَ
And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:47] پھر ہم یقیناً اُس کی رگ جان کاٹ ڈالتے۔
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Above is how Allah treats with a person who used to lie in name of Allah, If you still doubtfull google on "Mehdi Sudani", Baha'Ullah, John Alaxender Dwoi and even Yousaf Kazab how all these died and how long those survived from the wrath of Allah, But Hadharat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Mahdi-e-Mahood o Masih-e-Maood(as) lived upto 36 year(in hijri) after his claim.

والسلام

PS: Sorry for too many Posts at once

@Redaxe,
Sorry. I am catching this thread very late. And by chance I saw a post of Brother Biomat directly addressed to me about your quoted verses, therefore I am trying to reply to you:
I am not discussing or going to discuss here about your Leader , Prophet, Mualim, Reformer, Mashih Mahood, etc etc. (because after so many years, your sect still is struggling to give him a proper title or designation), and your faith. Because I discussed it in another thread, which is still availbale on this board and after months, no reply came to my questions. Therefore, I do not need to repeat it again and again.
Now coming to your post in question: YOUR main emphasis is "That Allah punishes THEN AND THERE, if someone says something against Allah and in support of this notion you have quoted verses above", your QUESTION IS" that since Mirza remained live after 36 years from the date of his prophecy" so it is truth because according to your quoted verses, if Mirza had lied, the punishment should be then & there."
Mine answers:
a) You are no exception of or from all those who are in the habit of picking and dropping a verse or verses randomly and ignoring their basic principle. My dear the first verse is starting with word "waoo" . The standard is that if any verse is starting by the word "Waoo", "Thuma", then, you have to take the sequence into account. The preceding and succeeding verses also. and you did not!
b) Your theory is total misconception about this verses that Allah punishes, or punished or should have punished such persons, THEN AND THERE, here is my answer from Quran:

45. If Allah took mankind to task by that which they deserve, He
would not
leave a living creature on the surface of the earth; but He
reprieveth them unto an appointed term, and when their term cometh then verily (they will know that)
Allah is ever Seer of His slaves.
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps22/ch22zb.html#45
So answer is there in the above verse, why Mirza remained alive
till 36 years after making his prophecy. If u still are not
convinced please post.
Your quoted verses are out of context without supporting your
claim: The subject is the truth of Quran, the subject starts from
verse 38
38. But nay! I swear by all that ye see ........
43. It (Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps29/ch29o.html
full reference is in this page.
So, Mr. Redaxe, invent something else. You have nothing to
prove from Quran, although I respect the choices of people without
any exception, but call a spade a spade.

 

[babadeena]

Dear Babadeena
Assalam-o-alaikum
If you are following this thread, would u like to shed light on the ayats quoted by brother redaxe from Sural AL-HAQQAH (69:45 to 47)..
I know about these ayats & its shan-e-nazool, i would love to hear from you as you explain quranic ayats with confidence..
Waiting for quick & logical reply.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

Brother,
Waalikum Salaam wa Rehmatullah,
I am sorry. I saw your post by chance. Am in the grip of certain
worldly problems. am not attending board regularly. if there is ever
any such thing, please send a pm. If it is about Quran, that is
foremost for me and above all things. Salaam.

 

[biomat]

Wa alaikum us salam
Brother babadeena, jaza-k-ALLAH for your participation.
I also read a lot about this, & it is confirmed that this surat is about Hazrat Muhammad PBUH, when jews, christians & specially kufare Makkah made allegations that as Hazrat Muhammad PBUH is UMMI (illiterate) thats why he cant write or read, so his words are poetry or words of SAHIR/KAHIN.. Also there was used to be Beloved Angel Gabriel which used to come to all prophets, but we dont see it. So ALLAH in this surah proving Hazrat Muhammad PBUH authenticity that indeed his words are words of LORDS OF THE WORLDS.. Angel Gabriel pass these words to him from ALLAH, if Hazrat Muhammad PBUH could have change or add something from himself ALLAH would have punished severely by cutting his artery..
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Lets see what brother KNOWLEDGE SEEKER will say on this issue. I am waiting for his feedback also.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[M javed]

Is this site being managed by Mirzaees.

 

[babadeena]

Is this site being managed by Mirzaees.

M. Javed,
8 posts participation, and a big question. If so, then we should give lot of credit to them, atleast they are
tolerant to get all the bombardment of posts which are being made against their creed. It really hurts when
people just pull the Gun of accusation just at the drop of a hat. I think we should not accuse anyone, I am not
defending Mirzaees (as u said), but I am condemning your start of ACCUSATION. hope your participation on the
board will be positive, irrespective.....

 

[biomat]

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[biomat]

Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother javaid, i respect your presence but this is not the way to post the remarks..
We are discussing v sensitive issue here, please dont deviate it intentionally or unintentionally..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[atensari]

At least your own posts contradicts with AKSheikh statment that there is no threat to Ahmadiyya-Muslims in Pakistan and they are free to practice their faith etc........

How come qadiyani except peace and while continuing their Terrorist Activities.

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

‏
And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? Such shall be presented before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely, the curse of Allah is on the unjust:
[11:19] اور اس سے زیادہ ظالم کون ہو سکتا ہے جو اللہ پر جھوٹ گھڑے۔ یہی لوگ ہیں جو اپنے ربّ کے حضور پیش کئے جائیں گے اور گواہی دینے والے کہیں گے کہ یہی وہ لوگ ہیں جنہوں نے اپنے ربّ پر جھوٹ بولا تھا۔ خبردار! ظلم کرنے والوں پر اللہ کی لعنت ہے۔

Allah has mentioned this kind of warning in few places in Qurran. So it is pretty clear that Allah will not let go of any one who claims to be a prophet and if he is not told by Allah. Allah's wrath will be on that person and his followers.
In Ahmadiyya's case, tens of thousands of people are entering the in this Jammat. Even though our opponents have done the best they can to stop this Jammat but they have failed.

This is the main problem with the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed that they do self made analysis of the verses of Quran and apply it out of context in order to justify the false claim of Mirza. Your above mentioned verse is referring to the day of judgement which is yet to come but you have applied it to the existence of Ahmediyya community in present time.
[Tafsir al-Baghawi, Tafsir al-Tabari, Tafsir al-Mazhari]

Please try not to do this kind of unfair act with Quran next time.

What I am trying to convey here is that you can call Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad A.S as a liar but I dare you say anything wrong to Hadhrat Mohammed . Since Hadhrat Mohammed (pbuh) already had an idea that Mullahs of latter days will be on the wrong side and it is why he also called them the worst creatures on the face of earth. Now we have seen from the recent history that how Ulema are guiding the Ummat-e-Muslima. Biggest example is the Jihad of Afghanistan as well as the Madaris are being using as a nurturing ground for terrorists to blow up innocent people. We have also seen Ulema preeching openly to kill innocent people.

If you are referring to Hadith e Nabawi (pbuh) then try to be careful and dont miss the opportunity to furnish your post with proper references. :alhamd:, There are very prominent figures of Islamic scholars around the world who are against terrorism and suicide bombing so do not declare the whole catogary of Ulema as null and void.

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

Lets see what brother KNOWLEDGE SEEKER will say on this issue. I am waiting for his feedback also.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

Brother, I agree with the earlier posts regarding these verses in response to "Redaxe". I feel that whenever the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed bring references out of context for argument, it helps us to explore the more dimensions of falsehood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and I really give credit to those scholars who had realized the potential of this fitna on time and played a remarkable role to spread awarness around the world.

 

[gazoomartian]

Kaleem ch.

Thank you for your respons. Before I start a reply, I humbly request you to read my post with open mind and without bias for your faith. Its a hard thing to do but try and you will see the truth InshaAllah.
Lets talk about 'khatam'.

:mash:

very good presentation of your point AND the truth. you deserve a standing ovation

 

[Kaleem_ch]

I would like to tell you that Hadharat Promised Masiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) made a claim of being "Mulhim" (A person upon whom God reveals) in 1880s. Lets see what Quran say regarding Hadharat Muhammad (PBUH) and Allah Suna if some one made false claim in name of Allah

Surah Al-Haqqah Verse 45 to 47

[69:45] [FONT=_PDMS_IslamicFont]وَلَوۡ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيۡنَا بَعۡضَ ٱلۡأَقَاوِيلِ[/FONT]
And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:45] اور اگر وہ بعض باتیں جھوٹے طور پر ہماری طرف منسوب کر دیتا ۔


[69:46] [FONT=_PDMS_IslamicFont]لَأَخَذۡنَا مِنۡهُ بِٱلۡيَمِينِ[/FONT]
We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:46] تو ہم اُسے ضرور داہنے ہاتھ سے پکڑ لیتے۔

[69:47] [FONT=_PDMS_IslamicFont]ثُمَّ لَقَطَعۡنَا مِنۡهُ ٱلۡوَتِينَ[/FONT]
And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:47] پھر ہم یقیناً اُس کی رگ جان کاٹ ڈالتے۔
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Above is how Allah treats with a person who used to lie in name of Allah, If you still doubtfull google on "Mehdi Sudani", Baha'Ullah, John Alaxender Dwoi and even Yousaf Kazab how all these died and how long those survived from the wrath of Allah, But Hadharat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Mahdi-e-Mahood o Masih-e-Maood(as) lived upto 36 year(in hijri) after his claim.

والسلام

PS: Sorry for too many Posts at once

Thanks Redaxe... I was looking up for the same quote from Qurran but then i saw your post.

Bhai Biomat, I am not trying to mislead. It is what Qurran says.

 

[biomat]

Dear Kaleem
Salam.
So many people have written translations & tafaseer usmani, & this what u have to say..
Can u explain a bit.. Is this ayat for all PROPHETS & PROPHETS TO COME (for your sake of argument only), that is for ALL TIMES.. or specific to Muhammad PBUH..
Lets see what u make of it.. Dont play with words.. Soon you will be harping on same tone as Christians & Jews use Quranic Ayat in which ALLAH have discussed about the BREAKING OF AGREEMENT (SULAH HUDAIBIYAH) BY MUSHRIK OF MAKKAH, in which ALLAH have ordered muslims to be free in Killing them where ever you find them..It continues... Point is, They use this ayat in their preaching sermons that in QURAN it is allowable to Kill Christians & Jews quoting this ayat out of context..That is taking only that part of ayat in which ALLAH is saying about Kill them where ever u find them... But neglecting the initial parts & remaining parts of this message...
Dont tell me you dont know about it, i can post it in detail but it will be out of the topic..
Please please, Dont follow them in same behaviour.. Hope you will understand..
First reply to my question then i will proof insha ALLAH how Mirza Decieves many using same technique..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[redaxe]

Dear Kaleem
Salam.
So many people have written translations & tafaseer usmani, & this what u have to say..
Can u explain a bit.. Is this ayat for all PROPHETS & PROPHETS TO COME (for your sake of argument only), that is for ALL TIMES.. or specific to Muhammad PBUH..
Lets see what u make of it.. Dont play with words.. Soon you will be harping on same tone as Christians & Jews use Quranic Ayat in which ALLAH have discussed about the BREAKING OF AGREEMENT (SULAH HUDAIBIYAH) BY MUSHRIK OF MAKKAH, in which ALLAH have ordered muslims to be free in Killing them where ever you find them..It continues... Point is, They use this ayat in their preaching sermons that in QURAN it is allowable to Kill Christians & Jews quoting this ayat out of context..That is taking only that part of ayat in which ALLAH is saying about Kill them where ever u find them... But neglecting the initial parts & remaining parts of this message...
Dont tell me you dont know about it, i can post it in detail but it will be out of the topic..
Please please, Dont follow them in same behaviour.. Hope you will understand..
First reply to my question then i will proof insha ALLAH how Mirza Decieves many using same technique..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم
السلام و علکیم

Brother Biomat, Babadeena

Thanks for commentary on the verses I shared. I already know that many of you have already presented these verses many times, And there are many excuses to deny the sayings of Quran. But its really sad that you didn't checked the context by yourself, that is why reference was provided.

Secondly, the statement i was trying to prove is still valid, becuase Allah says if Holy Prophet(pbuh) is the not a messenger and he(pbuh) made quranic verses by himself than I ll destroy him. right???
So tell me how could it be for Prophet(PBUH) because These verses are for those who lies in he name of Allah and Prophets of Allah never do those so how they can be for our holy prophet(pbuh). I hope you got the point.

Moreover, I presented many examples to you, you can google on those, How many people have been claimed to be Prophet, Imam Mehdi what happend to all of those, Mahdi Suddani, Bahaullah, Muhammad bin Abdullah of Mecca, Yousaf Kazaab and many more, All of those were killed within few years of their claim.


جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

 

[xiaahmad]

بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم
السلام و علکیم

Brother Biomat, Babadeena

Thanks for commentary on the verses I shared. I already know that many of you have already presented these verses many times, And there are many excuses to deny the sayings of Quran. But its really sad that you didn't checked the context by yourself, that is why reference was provided.

Secondly, the statement i was trying to prove is still valid, becuase Allah says if Holy Prophet(pbuh) is the not a messenger and he(pbuh) made quranic verses by himself than I ll destroy him. right???
So tell me how could it be for Prophet(PBUH) because These verses are for those who lies in he name of Allah and Prophets of Allah never do those so how they can be for our holy prophet(pbuh). I hope you got the point.

Moreover, I presented many examples to you, you can google on those, How many people have been claimed to be Prophet, Imam Mehdi what happend to all of those, Mahdi Suddani, Bahaullah, Muhammad bin Abdullah of Mecca, Yousaf Kazaab and many more, All of those were killed within few years of their claim.


جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

Brother answer is really really easy just have to look at the verse closely

69:41-46
and it is not the speech of a poet, (but) little you believe,
nor is it the speech of a soothsayer, (but) little you heed to the advice.
It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
Had he (the prophet) forged some statements in Our name
We would have certainly seized him by the right hand
and then severed his life-artery,

So prophet in Bracket is just to make you understand.
The context Clearly is talking about REVELATION to PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PUBH) the True Revelation. And then it tells that if HE would lied then ALLAH would have certainly seized him by his right hand. So its about Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) truthfulness for REAL AND TRUE PROPHET thats the high standard of Prophet (PUBH) truthful and which he (PUBH) had to follow

So IT IS NOT about any claimant or person, that anyone who will lie upon ALLAH will be killed. It is very clear from the VERSE

Other wise there are so many People who lied in name of God and make fake claims but they were not killed instead died natural death:

1. Elijha Muhammad
2. Bahaullah
3. Gohar Shahi
4. Saudani Mahdi
5. Syed Muhammadi Janpuri
6. John Haghee Pigott
7.....Many Christian pastors says that God spoke to them this and tat

all these people lied in the name of GOD as verse dont say claim of prophet, or Mahdi its Lie upon God

So are ahmadies gona consider them Truthful and Accept there claims or suddenly the meaning of the verse will change :)???

so please stop trying to trick common ppl and dont get tricked by ur jammat as well
other wise going by ur interpretation you have to accept all these people mentioned above

 

[QADIANITRUTH]

Xia bro, good to see you here, excellent point..

kaleem C and other qadianis, please reply to above post showing you what is meant by KHATAM OR KHATIM and great post by Xia. It is enough to open your eyes and expose the froaud of Mirza.