What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

[mehwish_ali]

یہ لوگ جو بات بات پر شرک کے فتوے لگاتے پھرتے ہیں، انکا بنیادی مسئلہ ہے "ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری"۔ انہوں نے پورے قرآن کو ظاہری معنی پر محمول کر لیا ہے اور اس وجہ سے قرآن انکے گلے میں آ کر اٹک جاتا ہے اور نیچے نہیں اتر پاتا۔

جو کچھ مزاروں پر ہوتا ہے، اُس میں سے بہت کچھ غلط ہے، مگر ردِ عمل کے طور پر جو کچھ یہ کر رہے ہیں، وہ انتہا بھی غلط ہے۔ کوئی مسلمان رسول ﷺ کو اللہ کا شریک نہیں کرتا ہے، بلکہ تمام چیزوں کا اصل اور مطلق مالک صرف اور صرف اللہ کی ذات ہے۔

تو پھر آپ اللہ اور قرآن پر شرک کا فتوی کیوں نہیں لگاتے؟

انکی ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری پر چلا جائے تو سب سے پہلے ہمیں معاذ اللہ بذات خود اللہ اور قرآن پر شرک کا فتوی لگانا پڑے گا، کیونکہ اسی قرآن میں اللہ فرما رہا ہے کہ وہ (اللہ) اور اسکا رسول اپنے فضل سے غنی کرتے ہیں۔


وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ رَضُوْاْ مَا آتَاهُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَقَالُواْ حَسْبُنَا اللّهُ سَيُؤْتِينَا اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَرَسُولُهُ إِنَّا إِلَى اللّهِ رَاغِبُونَ

(القران 9:59) اور اگر وہ اس پر راضی ہو جاتے کی جو کچہ اللہ نے اور اس کے رسول نے انہیں دیا ہے، اور یہ کہتے کہ اللہ ہمارے لیے کافی ہے۔ اور اللہ جلد ہمیں مزید عطا کرے گا اپنے فضل سے اور اس کا رسول بھی۔

تو کیا یہاں اللہ خود شرک کر رہا ہے یہ کہہ کر کہ رسول بھی ہمیں عطا کرتا ہے؟

يَحْلِفُونَ بِاللّهِ مَا قَالُواْ وَلَقَدْ قَالُواْ كَلِمَةَ الْكُفْرِ وَكَفَرُواْ بَعْدَ إِسْلاَمِهِمْ وَهَمُّواْ بِمَا لَمْ يَنَالُواْ وَمَا نَقَمُواْ إِلاَّ أَنْ أَغْنَاهُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ فَإِن يَتُوبُواْ يَكُ خَيْرًا

(القران 9:74) یہ قسم کہاتے ہیں کہ انہوں نے ایسا نہیں کہا ہے حالانکہ انہوں نے کلمہِ کفر کہا ہے اور ایمان لانے کے بعد کافر ہو گثے ہیں اور وہ ارادہ کیا تھا جو حاصل نہیں کر سکے اور انہیں صرف اس بات کا غصہ ہے کہ اللہ اور اس کے رسول نے اپنے فضل سے انہیں (مسلمانوں) کو غنی کر دیا ہے۔ بہرحال یہ اب بھی توبہ کر لیں تو یہ ان کے حق میں بہتر ھے۔۔۔

فضل سے غنی کرنا تو صرف اللہ کا کام ہے، مگر اللہ اسی قران میں گواہی دے رہا ہے کہ اللہ کا رسول ﷺ بھی اپنے فضل سے مسلمانوں کو غنی کرتا ہے۔ ہمارے لیے تو بات بہت صاف ہے کیونکہ ہم ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری میں مبتلا نہیں اور یہ فرق کر سکتے ہیں کہ "فضل سے غنی کرنا" مطلق معنوں میں صرف اور صرف اللہ کا کام ہے، مگر مجازی معنوں میں اللہ کے ساتھ ساتھ رسول ﷺ کے متعلق بھی ہم یہ کہہ سکتے ہیں۔

تو ان لوگوں سے سوال یہ ہے کہ اگر اللہ قرآن میں فقط یہ فرما دیتا کہ "میں (اللہ) نے غنی کر دیا ہے" تو کیا یہ بات کافی نہ ہوتی؟ تو پھر اللہ اپنے ساتھ ساتھ رسول ﷺ کے فضل سے غنی کرنے کا ذکر کیوں کر رہا ہے؟

اگر ان لوگوں کی ظاہر پرستی کی بیماری ختم نہیں ہوتی تو پھر کوئی انہیں ڈوبنے سے نہیں بچا سکتا۔

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[canadian]

What about creating division amongst Muslim Ummah on the basis of colour,language,creed or for that matter anything that divides The Ummah in various sects ????????

 

[Cheeko]

Dear Cheeko Bhai,

With due respect most of your responses are in support of "intercession" (شفاعت). This is separate topic which may be discussed later.

Correct me please if I am wrong, are you trying to say that it does not matter whatever "SHIRK" a person can do, he/she will get "intercession" (شفاعت) on the day of judgment either by Saints or Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

Futhermore, I am quoting verses of Quraan clearly indicating what SHIRK is and in response you are filling pages with human written materials....

My request to you please be focused to the topic "What is SHIRK" not "intercession" (شفاعت).

Thanks for you participation. May Allah give all of us hidayat (Aameen).

Dear Pakistani1947 bhai


You also tell Atensari to stop giving material against intercession which is man made interprtation and then I stop. Otherwise the preaching is going.

May Allah give all of us hidayat (Aameen).

 

[babadeena]

@Mewish Ali,
if you could have also checked 9:58 also. The matter is about distributing of "Sadaqaat"
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps10/ch10s.html#58
second thing is that "Fazalhee" is of Allah, Your quoted translation is totally wrong and
deceptive.
They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of
disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah) . And they purposed
that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His
messenger should enrich them of His bounty(This refers to Allah's fazal). If they repent it will be better for
them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world
and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps10/ch10w.html#74

 

[babadeena]

Shirk means to include, make partner and making addition. In Urdu we also
Call “shirakatdari” in which many are partners. In religious terms, “Shirk” means
to associate some one as partner with Allah and to take someone as Allah. The relation with
Allah and human being is that Allah is the Creator and the human beings are His creation.
This creation solely and wholly in all her aspects depend upon Allah.

To understand Shirk, one has to understand the purpose of the creation which
is to make Ebadaat only and only to Allah which is sole purpose the creation.
Ebaadat consists of:

a) Believing and Acceptance with full attributes;

a) performing “rituals” such as Namaz, Zakat, Hajj, fasting etc. etc. etc.

b) Devotion and Love towards Allah;

c) Recourse in case of distress, needs, necessities, calamities etc. in other words
this is called Dua and “Invoking”.

d) Servitude and total dependence;

Shirk is mainly of two kinds:
i) Direct Shirk: To take someone as Illaha and think that “this one” has also the
same powers and attributes. For example, Allah’s attribute is “the Living and the
Eternal” (alhayuulqaayum). Now if someone thinks and believe that x,yz, is also
Has eternal living, then it is shirk. If Allah says, I give sons and daughters, but if someone
thinks that x,yz, also can give this things, then it is direct shirk; In Arabic and Quranic
way it is called “Doonallah”

ii) Indirect Shirk: Indirect shirk is that x,y,z, can influence the mighty powers/decisions
of Allah, for example, Allah wishes to grant someone daughter, but x,y,z can change it
to be and son. Allah wishes to punish someone, but there is another authority who can
save that one from the wrath of Allah. In a way it is called “an intermediary role” concept.
In Arabic and Quranic way it is called “MahAllah” (with Allah) or baywasillah.

Quran also describes two strong words to describe shirk “Ebaadat” (worshiping) and “Dua” (calling, Invoking).

Therefore, anyone worshiped/called besides Allah (Donnallah) and anyone
Called(invoked) with Allah is Shirk.

 

[Cheeko]

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[babadeena]

I SAY:

OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, Grant me your mercy, long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, baywasillah Ghusalzam, (or anyone else)...Grant me your mercy,
long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH GHUSALZAM, OH BARI IMAM, OH YA RASOOLILLAH, OH YA HUSSAIN ETC. ETC. GRANT ME THIS AND THIS.

last two forms are SHIRK. Doonallah and Mahallah

 

[babadeena]

Dear Pakistani1947 bhai


You also tell Atensari to stop giving material against intercession which is man made interprtation and then I stop. Otherwise the preaching is going.

May Allah give all of us hidayat (Aameen).

Please open a separate thread titled "INTERCESSION" and paste there.

 

[Cheeko]

I SAY:

OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, Grant me your mercy, long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH RABULEZAT, LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, baywasillah Ghusalzam, (or anyone else)...Grant me your mercy,
long life, happiness and betterment in the
World and in the Hereafter;
or I say:
OH GHUSALZAM, OH BARI IMAM, OH YA RASOOLILLAH, OH YA HUSSAIN ETC. ETC. GRANT ME THIS AND THIS.

last two forms are SHIRK. Doonallah and Mahallah

The second form is not shirk. You are interprting it wrongly. You are misguided as you also tell that Hadees are wrong.

Only Allah is the giver and worship is only to Allah.
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Following the whole Quran is good but following selective Ayats is bad. Each and every word Quran tells is to be followed. This man mixing intercession and shirk both and telling that intercession is also shirk. Only Allah is giver and only worship is to Allah. One only ask to Allah.

None of you have told anything about the Quran Ayats in which intercession clearly found. Have you closed your eyes or it that your hearts closed. The truth is mentioned in Quran while you deny it. It is clear that except whom Allah wills. If the Last Messenger peace be upon Him not the exception then no one is exception and then do you tell that these Ayats are waste Nauzobillah.


Any man know meaning of intercession


Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]


Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.


That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]

And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]


And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]


He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]


And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]


And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]

In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden

Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]

Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat

O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]

There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
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[Cheeko]

Please open a separate thread titled "INTERCESSION" and paste there.

You open separate thread and I tell you reply there

 

[atensari]

وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَلْمِزُكَ فِى ٱلصَّدَقَٰتِ فَإِنْ أُعْطُوا۟ مِنْهَا رَضُوا۟ وَإِن لَّمْ يُعْطَوْا۟ مِنْهَآ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْخَطُونَ {9:58**​

And of them are some who traduce thee in respect of alms. Then if they are given thereof they are pleased and if they are not given thereof, lo! they are enraged.

اور ان میں سے بعض اسے بھی ہیں کہ (تقسیم) صدقات میں تم پر طعنہ زنی کرتے ہیں۔ اگر ان کو اس میں سے (خاطر خواہ) مل جائے تو خوش رہیں اور اگر (اس قدر) نہ ملے تو جھٹ خفا ہو جائیں​

إِنَّمَا ٱلصَّدَقَٰتُ لِلْفُقَرَآءِ وَٱلْمَسَٰكِينِ وَٱلْعَٰمِلِينَ عَلَيْهَا وَٱلْمُؤَلَّفَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَفِى ٱلرِّقَابِ وَٱلْغَٰرِمِينَ وَفِى سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱبْنِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ ۖ فَرِيضَةًۭ مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌۭ {9:60**​

The compulsory alms are only for the poor and the needy and the agents employed therein and those whose hearts are to be conciliated and those in bondage and debtors and for expenditure in the way of Allah and for the wayfarer: an ordinance from Allah: and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

صدقات (یعنی زکوٰة وخیرات) تو مفلسوں اور محتاجوں اور کارکنان صدقات کا حق ہے اور ان لوگوں کا جن کی تالیف قلوب منظور ہے اور غلاموں کے آزاد کرانے میں اور قرضداروں (کے قرض ادا کرنے میں) اور خدا کی راہ میں اور مسافروں (کی مدد) میں (بھی یہ مال خرچ کرنا چاہیئے یہ حقوق) خدا کی طرف سے مقرر کر دیئے گئے ہیں اور خدا جاننے والا (اور) حکمت والا ہے​

9:59
کا سلسلہ کلام اگلی اور پچھلی آیات سے جوڑا جاۓ تو واضح ہوتا ہے کہ یہاں صدقات/ مال غنیمت کی تقسیم کی بات ہو رہی ہے، اور کچھ منافقین کے اعتراض کا جواب دیا جا رہا ہے​

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ جَٰهِدِ ٱلْكُفَّارَ وَٱلْمُنَٰفِقِينَ وَٱغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَمَأْوَىٰهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَبِئْسَ ٱلْمَصِيرُ {9:73**​

O Prophet! strive hard against the infidels and the hypocrites; and be severe unto them. And their resort is Hell--a hapless destination. اے پیغمبر! کافروں اور منافقوں سے لڑو۔ اور ان پر سختی کرو۔ اور ان کا ٹھکانہ دورخ ہے اور وہ بری جگہ ہے​

اس طرح 9:74 میں سیاق و سباق کے حوالے سے منافقین اور صدقات/ مال غنیمت کی تقسیم بات ہو رہی ہے​

وَمِنْهُم مَّنْ عَٰهَدَ ٱللَّهَ لَئِنْ ءَاتَىٰنَا مِن فَضْلِهِۦ لَنَصَّدَّقَنَّ وَلَنَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلصَّٰلِحِينَ {9:75**
And of them are some who covenanted With saying: if He giveth of His grace, we will surely give alms and we will surely become of the righteous. اور ان میں سے بعض ایسے ہیں جنہوں نے خدا سے عہد کیا تھا کہ اگر وہ ہم کو اپنی مہربانی سے (مال) عطا فرمائے گا تو ہم ضرور خیرات کیا کریں گے اور نیک کاروں میں ہو جائیں گے​

فَلَمَّآ ءَاتَىٰهُم مِّن فَضْلِهِۦ بَخِلُوا۟ بِهِۦ وَتَوَلَّوا۟ وَّهُم مُّعْرِضُونَ {9:76**
Then when He gave them out of His grace, they became niggardly therewith and turned away as backsliders. لیکن جب خدا نے ان کو اپنے فضل سے (مال) دیا تو اس میں بخل کرنے لگے اور (اپنے عہد سے) روگردانی کرکے پھر بیٹھے​

اور 9:75 - 9:76 میں مال و دولت دینے کی بات ہے تو صرف اللہ کا ذکر ہے ​

 

[Cheeko]

Atensari you reply how I caught red hand your dead Israr in the video you show in which he tell wrong interprtation of Ayat.

 

[mehwish_ali]

@Mewish Ali,
if you could have also checked 9:58 also. The matter is about distributing of "Sadaqaat"
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps10/ch10s.html#58
second thing is that "Fazalhee" is of Allah, Your quoted translation is totally wrong and
deceptive.
They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of
disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah) . And they purposed
that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His
messenger should enrich them of His bounty(This refers to Allah's fazal). If they repent it will be better for
them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world
and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps10/ch10w.html#74

بابا دینا صاحب، حیرت ہے کہ آپ مجھ پر الزام لگا رہے ہیں، حالانکہ آپ کا اپنا پیش کردہ ترجمہ مکمل طور پر تحریف شدہ ہے۔

اور معاملہ صدقات کا ہو یا کسی اور چیز کا، اگر فضل کی بات کرنی تھی تو یہ کہنا کافی تھا کہ "اللہ نے اپنے فضل سے انہیں غنی کر دیا"۔ مگر نہیں، اللہ اپنے ساتھ ساتھ رسول ﷺ کا نام بھی شامل کر رہا ہے۔

[Literal Translation of Verse 9:58] And if that they accepted/approved what God and His messenger gave/brought them and they said: "Enough for us God, God will give/bring us from His grace/favour and His messenger, we are to God desiring/wishing."

[Arberry] O were they well-pleased with what God and His Messenger have brought them, saying, 'Enough for us is God; God will bring us of His bounty, and His Messenger; to God we humbly turn.'

[Pickthal](How much more seemly) had they been content with that which Allah and His messenger had given them and had said: Allah sufficeth us. Allah will give us of His bounty, and (also) His messenger. Unto Allah we are suppliants.

[Shakir] And if they were content with what Allah and His Messenger gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Messenger too; surely to Allah do we make our petition.
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اور سورۃ توبہ کی آیت نمبر 74 میں بھی یہی بات ہے کہ "غنی کرنا" صرف اور صرف اللہ کی صفت ہے۔ مگر یہاں پر یہ بیان ہو رہا ہے کہ اللہ کا رسول بھی اللہ کے ساتھ "غنی" کرتا ہے اُس فضل سے جو اللہ کے پاس ہے۔

[Literal]They swear/take oath by God, (that) they did not say, and (but) they had said the disbelief's word/expression ,and they disbelieved after their Islam/submission/surrender, and they got interested/resolved with what they did not take/receive/obtain, and they did not revenge/criticize except that God and His messenger enriched them from His grace​

اور یہاں پر تو کوئی صدقات کی بات نہیں ہو رہی۔

اور کیا یہ کافی نہ ہوتا کہ اللہ کہہ دیتا کہ "میں (اللہ) غنی کرتا ہوں)۔

اور کیا آپ اپنے متعلق یہ دعوی کر سکتے ہیں کہ آپ بھی لوگوں کو رسول اللہ ﷺ کی طرح اللہ کے فضل سے"غنی" کرتے ہیں؟




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[Cheeko]

The misguided molvis have no answer to me and now they will only tell about halwa and money to save their face

 

[atensari]

Dear Pakistani1947 bhai
You also tell Atensari to stop giving material against intercession which is man made interprtation and then I stop. Otherwise the preaching is going.

May Allah give all of us hidayat (Aameen).

You really catch me red handed, matter of fact is all interprtations are Man Made.

 

[atensari]

The misguided molvis have no answer to me and now they will only tell about halwa and money to save their face

Halwa khowr are those who are promoting budh, jumarat, this jashan that mahfil etc.

 

[atensari]

????? ? ????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???

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[Cheeko]

You really catch me red handed, matter of fact is all interprtations are Man Made.

Your video man caught red hand lying that no intercession in qayamat but Hadees tell that intercession in qayanmat. You again show his video but this man has no credibilty left as he get caught red hand by me on first page in box number 16.

 

[Cheeko]

Halwa khowr are those who are promoting budh, jumarat, this jashan that mahfil etc.

You dont see the dead israr in your video is so fat like he eat always. What make him fat.

 

[atensari]

You dont see the dead israr in your video is so fat like he eat always. What make him fat.

You are doing nothing but exposing you cheap mentality, listen "Ayat ul Kursi" post. may be it help you.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...k-(شرک-کیا-ہے)&p=293995&viewfull=1#post293995