What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

[babadeena]

I think you are in no mood to further discussion and have accepted in your heart that you cant burst the baloon. You use your own childish interprtation and making everything allegorical. You have even made Ayat ul Kursi allegorical. I have clearly told the example of allegorical Ayat like [3:1] and [2:1]. You also dont believe in Hadees and so on.
Who teaches you Quran. What does your username Babadeena mean.

May Allah guide us Ameen.

I say to you now ""****tup" AND PROVE IT FROM QURAN YOUR WASILLA. I WILL GET YOU ON INTERCESSION ALSO . You coward, now you are coming to those questions. I have tolerated
you few days on this board. Now you have to prove me Wasillah from Quran of Peer Fakir and others.
Misleading the people by quoting out of context. Now you have come to square 1 on Hadeeth and
Babadeen.

 

[babadeena]

CHEEKO

Do not be coward. Please prove from Quran. It was your preferred verse from Surah Isra. Your so-called
Peer, Fakir, Mazars, Tombs, everything has been vanished now. Come and prove that this verse is
proving what you wish to prove. I am here. I am proving you from Quran what Wasillah is:
Your are coward because now you say:
a) what my handle name Babadeena means;
b) oft-repeated accusation that I do not believe in Hadith;
This is what the answer you have got. Believe me I will, Inshallah, Get you on "Intercession" Also.
Go to Brailwwee & Company and bring something else now.

 

[babadeena]

Cheeko,
your company & Ltd, just pick up a word from Quran like "Wasilla" and commercialize it
as per their brand and motivation. your intreptation of surah maida ayat is:

a) Seek Wasillah of personalities; AND
b) strive for the cause of Allah
because there is "And" in between. Your Mazar worshiping company forget the thing that
Quran explains itself from itself. Almost every word used is connected in some other place. Your
company forgets the ultimate objective which is "Qurbatay Illahi" and this is connected with
your company's preferred word "wasillah".
Your Mazar worshiping Company did not tire like you to quote Surah Israh for
Pious people, but conveniently will never give the one verse up. This board is witness of this
thing that you, as their agent, in all posts and thread, only quoted this verse and not the
previous one, which shatters your myth. May Allah's curse and azaab be on those who
hide Quran from the people.

 

[Cheeko]

I say to you now ""****tup" AND PROVE IT FROM QURAN YOUR WASILLA. I WILL GET YOU ON INTERCESSION ALSO . You coward, now you are coming to those questions. I have tolerated
you few days on this board. Now you have to prove me Wasillah from Quran of Peer Fakir and others.
Misleading the people by quoting out of context. Now you have come to square 1 on Hadeeth and
Babadeen.

With this type of language I in doubt who teach you manners. At the end of the day it is a Islamic discussion. I asked you about your teacher and username because I ineterested to know. Is there any thing wrong to ask question. You tell if you believe in Hadees and I know that you dont believe in many Hadees. I am the one who tolerating you for still discussing with you otherwise with person of your belief people dont speak.

You give translations of three people and then tell that this is the translation. Even in that translation one Pickthall is translating the people taken by people as gods and this is shirk. I quote [17:57] because to tell that there are only two places in Quran where word waseela used. One in [5:35] and other in [17:57]. In 17:56 it tells that do not do waseela to people who you take as besides Allah and we know that besides Allah is shirk as besides Allah is another god. Read the translation of Pickthall again.

Say: Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him, yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change [17:56]

I mean to stress on Ayat [5:35] and then tell [17:57] as another Ayat which contain word waseela. Ayat [17:56] confirm my position that waseela is forbidden from people taken as besides Allah and [5:35] confirms my position that waseela is suggested. One way for waseela is intercession and I already told intercession Ayaat.

I no tolerate bad misbehaving next time so dont cross limit.

 

[babadeena]

إِنَّهُ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِنْ عِبَادِي يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الرَّاحِمِينَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{109**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 23:109] Surely there was a party of My servants who said: O OUI . Lord! we believe, so do Thou forgive us and have mercy on us, and Thou art the best of the Merciful ones.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 23:109] Lo! there was a party of My slaves who said: Our Lord! We believe, therefor forgive us and have mercy on us for Thou art Best of all who show mercy;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 23:109] "A part of My servants there was, who used to pray 'our Lord! we believe; then do Thou forgive us, and have mercy upon us: For Thou art the Best of those who show mercy!"

I do not see any WASILLAH, in this prayer of Pious People.
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[Cheeko]

CHEEKO

Do not be coward. Please prove from Quran. It was your preferred verse from Surah Isra. Your so-called
Peer, Fakir, Mazars, Tombs, everything has been vanished now. Come and prove that this verse is
proving what you wish to prove. I am here. I am proving you from Quran what Wasillah is:
Your are coward because now you say:
a) what my handle name Babadeena means;
b) oft-repeated accusation that I do not believe in Hadith;
This is what the answer you have got. Believe me I will, Inshallah, Get you on "Intercession" Also.
Go to Brailwwee & Company and bring something else now.

I no Baralwi and I belong to Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah. I tolerating your bad misbehaving again and again. It co-incidence that Barailwi have same view. All four madhab have same view Shafi, Maliki, Hanfi and Hanbali.

 

[babadeena]

With this type of language I in doubt who teach you manners. At the end of the day it is a Islamic discussion. I asked you about your teacher and username because I ineterested to know. Is there any thing wrong to ask question. You tell if you believe in Hadees and I know that you dont believe in many Hadees. I am the one who tolerating you for still discussing with you otherwise with person of your belief people dont speak.

You give translations of three people and then tell that this is the translation. Even in that translation one Pickthall is translating the people taken by people as gods and this is shirk. I quote [17:57] because to tell that there are only two places in Quran where word waseela used. One in [5:35] and other in [17:57]. In 17:56 it tells that do not do waseela to people who you take as besides Allah and we know that besides Allah is shirk as besides Allah is another god. Read the translation of Pickthall again.

Say: Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him, yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change [17:56]

I mean to stress on Ayat [5:35] and then tell [17:57] as another Ayat which contain word waseela. Ayat [17:56] confirm my position that waseela is forbidden from people taken as besides Allah and [5:35] confirms my position that waseela is suggested. One way for waseela is intercession and I already told intercession Ayaat.

I no tolerate bad misbehaving next time so dont cross limit.

There is no significance of the words written in bracket by Mr. X.Y.Z.. The basic question is that these verses
are talking about "PIOUS PEOPLE" it is crystal clear from the verses itself, There are no idols, or dead
of statute involved. And Allah is forbidden stirctly to CALL the Pious People by intimating that they
themselves are helpless and are always in the search of a way to become near to Allah. So this is
the main point. What you people the "Mazar worshiping Company LTD", imply that since the word
Wasillah has been used, so it is permissible without explaining to people. So in a way you
people call to other ignorant people to Shirk and Quranic Ayats fit upon your people who
invite others to Shirk.
You were sarcastic to ask about my "Babadeena" and accusatory while saying
that I do not believe in Hadith. These two things imply that you are coward and have
no basis of talking. I asked and ask you again prove from Quran that permits the
wasillah of living, dead, statue, peer, fakir, Mazar or whatever, You have no answer
to that.

 

[babadeena]

I no Baralwi and I belong to Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah. I tolerating your bad misbehaving again and again. It co-incidence that Barailwi have same view. All four madhab have same view Shafi, Maliki, Hanfi and Hanbali.

viz-a-viz Quran, I do not give even two cents importance to these type of documents. You are
Brailwee, alhlay sunnat waljammat or whatever, you are inviting to people to Shirk by misquoting
quranic verses and I am not tolerating that at all.
ONLY MENTIONING OF THE WORD WASILLAH IN QURAN DOES NOT SIGNIFY ANYTHING,
IN QURAN IT IS PERMITTED TO EAT PORT IN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN
ON YOUR LOGIC, SINCE THE WORD IS MENTIONED, IT SHOULD BE.........

You never, in your posts, explained,what does it mean, you only say it is
permitted, it is permitted, it is permitted. You are misleading the people totally.
Better you make astghfar to Allah, because Allah is very swift in punishing such
people.

 

[Cheeko]

There is no significance of the words written in bracket by Mr. X.Y.Z.. The basic question is that these verses
are talking about "PIOUS PEOPLE" it is crystal clear from the verses itself, There are no idols, or dead
of statute involved. And Allah is forbidden stirctly to CALL the Pious People by intimating that they
themselves are helpless and are always in the search of a way to become near to Allah. So this is
the main point. What you people the "Mazar worshiping Company LTD", imply that since the word
Wasillah has been used, so it is permissible without explaining to people. So in a way you
people call to other ignorant people to Shirk and Quranic Ayats fit upon your people who
invite others to Shirk.
You were sarcastic to ask about my "Babadeena" and accusatory while saying
that I do not believe in Hadith. These two things imply that you are coward and have
no basis of talking. I asked and ask you again prove from Quran that permits the
wasillah of living, dead, statue, peer, fakir, Mazar or whatever, You have no answer
to that.

Your making your own interprtation and telling. The gods is in brackets but besides Allah is not in bracket. Besides Allah mean taken other than Allah as god.

I told you many Ayaat and you also telling them allegorical. I ask you to tell me detail about Salat or Namaz in Quran. Can I tell. No I cant tell. But I tell Ayaat from Quran about intercession and waseela. We then further support our argument from Hadees for intercession and Salat. Before Islam people take people as besides Allah or gods and this is told in Quran as shirk.

Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah derive interprtation in light of Quran and Hadees.

 

[Cheeko]

viz-a-viz Quran, I do not give even two cents importance to these type of documents. You are
Brailwee, alhlay sunnat waljammat or whatever, you are inviting to people to Shirk by misquoting
quranic verses and I am not tolerating that at all.
ONLY MENTIONING OF THE WORD WASILLAH IN QURAN DOES NOT SIGNIFY ANYTHING,
IN QURAN IT IS PERMITTED TO EAT PORT IN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN
ON YOUR LOGIC, SINCE THE WORD IS MENTIONED, IT SHOULD BE.........

You never, in your posts, explained,what does it mean, you only say it is
permitted, it is permitted, it is permitted. You are misleading the people totally.
Better you make astghfar to Allah, because Allah is very swift in punishing such
people.

In [5:35] word waseela is there and it mean appproach.

The document is for proving your allegation of me Barailwi as wrong. Only to tell what Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah believe. Your post r telling that you call all Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah as wrong. I happy that people knowing your true face. Tell me detail of Salat or Namaz from Quran.

 

[babadeena]

Your making your own interprtation and telling. The gods is in brackets but besides Allah is not in bracket. Besides Allah mean taken other than Allah as god.

I told you many Ayaat and you also telling them allegorical. I ask you to tell me detail about Salat or Namaz in Quran. Can I tell. No I cant tell. But I tell Ayaat from Quran about intercession and waseela. We then further support our argument from Hadees for intercession and Salat. Before Islam people take people as besides Allah or gods and this is told in Quran as shirk.

Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah derive interprtation in light of Quran and Hadees.

Cheeko,
Few days ago, I politely asked you, do not destroy the thread, you were bent upon on this to
inject other concepts on that. I even asked the participants about the definition of Ebadaat, but
instead of coming on the subject and to the point, you went to bombard again and again with
things which were not on the subject.
Now you are bringing Hadeeth, Naamz, etc etc. and explanation from Hadeeth. I am asking you
again and again what is your definition of Waseela from Quran.
"Besides Allah" has been explained in these verses itself, that what is meant by "Besides Allah"
If you do not know read my previous posts, it is Pious People who are so helpless that
they themselves are worried about themselves, what they are going to give you people????

 

[babadeena]

In [5:35] word waseela is there and it mean appproach.

The document is for proving your allegation of me Barailwi as wrong. Only to tell what Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah believe. Your post r telling that you call all Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah as wrong. I happy that people knowing your true face. Tell me detail of Salat or Namaz from Quran.

How it is approach, you are still wrong. You never explained it in your explanatory note in any
post that it is "approach", although it is still wrong. You neither know the meaning of Jammat, nor the Ahlus and less
the Sunnah, it is fashion for you, Green Topee on the Head, Mazar Parsat and Murdar Parsat people.
The words marked in red above, depict your agenda, this is oft-repeated stereo type question,
serious people do not give any weight. This is utterance of those who do not know anything but
conjecture and guess.

 

[Cheeko]

Cheeko,
Few days ago, I politely asked you, do not destroy the thread, you were bent upon on this to
inject other concepts on that. I even asked the participants about the definition of Ebadaat, but
instead of coming on the subject and to the point, you went to bombard again and again with
things which were not on the subject.
Now you are bringing Hadeeth, Naamz, etc etc. and explanation from Hadeeth. I am asking you
again and again what is your definition of Waseela from Quran.
"Besides Allah" has been explained in these verses itself, that what is meant by "Besides Allah"
If you do not know read my previous posts, it is Pious People who are so helpless that
they themselves are worried about themselves, what they are going to give you people????

I didnt destroy any thread but joined because some people were mixing shirk and intercession. This is wrong from Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah view and me as part have to dialogue and tell what we believe is right and wrong.
The question of Namaz is important because I ask you to tell detail from Quran just like you tell me to define waseela from Quran. I told you that waseela means seeking approach or access. We derive every rule in light of Quran and Hadees. Since you dont believe in those Hadees of waseela or intercession then I have to ask you to justify your detail of Namaz from Quran. This is valid question and related to discussion.

 

[babadeena]

I didnt destroy any thread but joined because some people were mixing shirk and intercession. This is wrong from Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah view and me as part have to dialogue and tell what we believe is right and wrong.
The question of Namaz is important because I ask you to tell detail from Quran just like you tell me to define waseela from Quran. I told you that waseela means seeking approach or access. We derive every rule in light of Quran and Hadees. Since you dont believe in those Hadees of waseela or intercession then I have to ask you to justify your detail of Namaz from Quran. This is valid question and related to discussion.

Now you are a bitterly DEFEATED PERSON, with logic and prove. You do not have any answer
about Wasillah. I forced you to even go near to that word "approach" which you before, never
explained in your explanations. Stop this business of Waseela propogation once and for all and
if you have anything to continue from the definition of Ebaadaat, because that is linked with shirk,
please do post, otherwise mind your business, you have no knowledge you are only cut n paste boy,
hired by Mazar Parsat Company, nothing else. "When Jaheel address you, just say salaam"

 

[Cheeko]

How it is approach, you are still wrong. You never explained it in your explanatory note in any
post that it is "approach", although it is still wrong. You neither know the meaning of Jammat, nor the Ahlus and less
the Sunnah, it is fashion for you, Green Topee on the Head, Mazar Parsat and Murdar Parsat people.
The words marked in red above, depict your agenda, this is oft-repeated stereo type question,
serious people do not give any weight. This is utterance of those who do not know anything but
conjecture and guess.

I dont wear green topee and you wrong. I dont think also any wrong in wearing green topee or being Barailwi but I never wore green topee or become Barailwi in my whole life. Grave worshipping is shirk and I dont do grave worship also. Worship is to Allah only. The question of Namaz is important and related and if you dont have any answer then tell like a man and dont be coward. Waseela mean approach or access. If you have diferent meaning then tell. Pickthall and Yousuf Ali also translate it means of approach in [5:35]. I am telling the same meaning. Now you also dont believe their meaning.

 

[Cheeko]

Now you are a bitterly DEFEATED PERSON, with logic and prove. You do not have any answer
about Wasillah. I forced you to even go near to that word "approach" which you before, never
explained in your explanations. Stop this business of Waseela propogation once and for all and
if you have anything to continue from the definition of Ebaadaat, because that is linked with shirk,
please do post, otherwise mind your business, you have no knowledge you are only cut n paste boy,
hired by Mazar Parsat Company, nothing else. "When Jaheel address you, just say salaam"

You are accusing me for being hired by mazaar parast company. I tell this is enough. Nobody has hired me. I am telling Quran and Hadees and if any body hired me then I go to hell. I am not hired this is very wrong accusation. If I hired by any one then Allah send me to hell.

You started blaming me because you have no answer to my question for detail of Salat or Namaz in Quran. First you tell I barailwi then tell green topee and then tell hired by mazar parast company. I laughing at you.

I forgive you for blaming me wrongly.


May Allah guide us Ameen.

 

[babadeena]

I dont wear green topee and you wrong. I dont think also any wrong in wearing green topee or being Barailwi but I never wore green topee or become Barailwi in my whole life. Grave worshipping is shirk and I dont do grave worship also. Worship is to Allah only. The question of Namaz is important and related and if you dont have any answer then tell like a man and dont be coward. Waseela mean approach or access. If you have diferent meaning then tell. Pickthall and Yousuf Ali also translate it means of approach in [5:35]. I am telling the same meaning. Now you also dont believe their meaning.

Oh my Lord, what I am reading in the above post written by the same person: and I paste down some quotes, which
he propogated at this thread his post No.147;

Hereunder follows a list of some of the many illustrious Ulama of the past who had practised upon Tawassul through the rank of the pious, deceased or alive:

1. Imaam Hasan ibn Ibrahim al-Hallal [ra] has stated that whenever he had any urgent need, he would go to the grave of Imaam Moosa ibn Ja’far [ra] and make Tawassul through him. Allah Ta’ala would fulfil his need. (refer Taarikh Baghdaad)

2. Imaam Shaafi’ee [ra] would make Tawassul at the grave of Imaam Abu Hanifa [ra]. (Taarikh Baghdaad). Allaamah al-Kawthari has classified this incident as authentic. (Maqaalaatul Kawthari pg.381)

3. Allaamah Taajuddeen al-Subki [ra] has mentioned that the people would go to the grave of Imaam ibn Foorak(ra), the teacher of Imaam Bayhaqi [ra] and make Du’aa and their Du’aas would get accepted.

4. Hafiz Al-Zarkashi [ra] has made Tawassul in the introduction to his commentary to Sahih al-Bukhari entitled, ‘al-Tanqeeh’.

5. Hafiz Taqi-u-ddin al-Subki [ra], the father of Taajuddin al-Subki [ra], has approved of this firm of Tawassul and he has written a detailed treatise on this topic. (See his book: Shifaa-u-Siqaam pgs.293-318)

6. Allamah Nawawi [ra] has mentioned that from among the etiquettes of visiting the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] one should make Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] to Allah Ta’ala to accept his Du’aas. Thereafter, Allamah Nawawi states, ‘…and one of the best things that one should do is what has been related by Allaamah al-Mawardi [ra], al-Qaadhi Abu Teeb [ra] and all our Ulama and they have all regarded it as commendable, and that is the incident of Imaam al-Utabi [ra] that he said, ‘I was once seated by the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], when a Bedouin came and said, ‘Peace be upon you, oh, Messenger of Allah. O Messenger of Allah, I have heard Almighty Allah say in the Qur’aan “And if they, when they had been unjust to themselves, had come to you (Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and begged Allah’s forgiveness and the messenger had begged forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah All-Forgiving. Most merciful.(Al-Nisaa:64) hence, I have come to you in a state that I seek forgiveness of my sins by seeking your intercession by my Lord’, thereafter he recited a few couplets and departed. Imaam al-Utabi [ra] states, ‘I then fell asleep and I saw Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] instructing me by the words, ‘O Utabi, go to that Bedouin and give him the glad tidings that Almighty Allah has forgiven him.’ (Refer al-Majmoo vol.8 pg.456 – Cairo and Manaasikul-Imaam-Al-Nawawi pg.498-499 Maktabah Salafia). This incident has been related by many Ulama in their respective compilations. Some of them are: Haafiz Ibn-Katheer in his Tafseer, Allamah Abu-Muhammad ibn Qudaamah in Al-Mughni vol.3 pg.556, Imaam Abul-Faraj in Al-Sharhul-Kabeervol.3 pg.495, etc.)

7. Imaam Ahmad bin Hambal(RA) has also encouraged making Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] in ones duas. (Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140, Also see Mafaaheem pg.137)

8. Haafiz Shamsud-Deen Al-Sakhawi (RA), the grand student of Haafiz ibn Hajr Al-Asqalaani(RA) made Tawassul on many occasions through Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] in his books, see for example Al-Tuhfatul-Lateefah vol.1 pg.3, 17; al-Ibtihaaj bi azkaaril musaafiril haaj

9. Allamah Muhammad ibn-ul-Jazri(RA) the famous Muhaddith and Master of Qira’aat has mentioned that from amongst the Aadaab etiquettes of dua is that one makes Tawassul with the Ambiyaa and the pious ones.(Al-Hisnul Haseen)

10. Imaam Al-Shawkaani Al-Salafi(RA) has also permitted Tawassul. (Tuhfatu-Zaakireen pg.50)

These are ten Different types of Ulama (i.e. some are Fuqahaa, some Muhadditheen and some are Qurraa). All have either practised on Tawassul or at least permitted it. And the list could go on….(refer to Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.378-397). After contemplating on all that was mentioned above, any person with sound intelligence would believe without a shadow of doubt in the permissibility of this form of Tawassul.

More so when one realizes that this remained the practise of the Ummah for centuries. Allamah Taqee-ud-Deen Al-Subki(RA) and other Muhadditheen have stated that Haafiz Ibn-Taimiyyah(RA) – who passed away in the year 728 Hijri - was the first to refute the permissibility of this form of Tawassul (Shifaa-us-Siqaam pg.293) In fact, Abu-Abdillah Al-Tilmisani Al-Maaliki(RA) (a renown scholar of the 7th century) has written a book concerning how this remained the practise of the entire Ummah since its existence. (Refer Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.397)

Lastly, we would like to draw your attention to the fact that the above permissibility is in regard to one who asks Allah Ta’ala for a particular need and in doing so, he uses some honourable personality as his Waseela (means) without thinking or believing that the person is being supplicated to or that he will fulfil his need. Yes, if one asks directly from the deceased and he believes that the Anbiyaa [alayhimus salaam] and the pious [rahimahumullah] independently possess the power to provide, then this would be Shirk (polytheism) because he is now ascribing partners to Allah in the quality of ‘Providing’.

Many contemporaries have mixed both these forms up; a) asking directly from the deceased and, b) asking Allah Alone, through the medium of some deceased) and have passed one ruling of Shirk for both forms. This is clearly a gross oversight on their path.

OH MY GOD, I seek your refugee. At the same thread/forum, the duplicity of positions:

 

[babadeena]

In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden

Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]

Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat

O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]

I draw the attention of the readers about the duplicity of nature of Mr. Cheeko:
a) He objected with pakistani1947 and myself that why words (saints) have been put into brackets. Whereas it was
the original translator (Pickthal) who did it, I did not. and here He(Cheeko) himself put words Waseela in bracket.
He should produce us the translation of that author who has put these words.

b) He never made any explanatory notes with this CUT N PASTE, which he did in many posts.

c) Now after projecting and propogating all kind of stuff, he realized that "Grave Prasti is Shirk",

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

 

[Cheeko]

Oh my Lord, what I am reading in the above post written by the same person: and I paste down some quotes, which
he propogated at this thread his post No.147;

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Babadeena there no duplicity. You r damaging your cause because no body take intercession as grave worship. No body believe them as gods and dont worship them.

 

[Cheeko]

I draw the attention of the readers about the duplicity of nature of Mr. Cheeko:
a) He objected with pakistani1947 and myself that why words (saints) have been put into brackets. Whereas it was
the original translator (Pickthal) who did it, I did not. and here He(Cheeko) himself put words Waseela in bracket.
He should produce us the translation of that author who has put these words.

b) He never made any explanatory notes with this CUT N PASTE, which he did in many posts.

c) Now after projecting and propogating all kind of stuff, he realized that "Grave Prasti is Shirk",

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

Babadeena this [waseela] is the word which is the arabic of the word means of approach in the Ayat. There no addition. Why r you acting like this. I wrote to tell specifically that word waseela in the Ayat. Read Ayat yourself.

[5:35]