ایک گھٹیا شخص کی علامہ اقبال کے خلاف بکواس

Changgaizi

Banned
Shakhsi kumzoriyan her insan mein hoti hai. I agree key Allama Iqbal bhi koi farishta na thay, woh bhi aik insan thay. Magar un per keechad uchalne se pehle unke kaamoun aur Muslims may nayee Rooh phoonkne wali unki writings per tawajju du. Sir ke title ki waja se aap Iqbal aur Sir Syed ko ulta seedha bolrahe ho tau bhaee Issac Newton ko bhi Sir ka title mila tha. So does it mean that his Three Laws of Motion are pure BS? Kya ab Issac Newton ki theories study karnewale bhi Angrezoun ka phittu ya Eeman se khali thehra?

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan Britishers ke obedient employee rahe lekin kya woh aik wahid Muslim thay jinhun ne British offices may kaam kiya? Agar woh 1857 may hathyar utha lete tau kya woh akelay tareeq badal dalte? Infact, her tarah ki scientific knowledge se dur aur Mullahoun aur Piroun ke haathoun hijack, inactive aur brainwash hochuki Muslim population ko unhoon ne badalte time ke taqazay sikhaye.

Baqi jo jo behuda ilzam aap ne lagaye zara unka koi proof ?

Issac Newton ko koi Msalmaon ka Maseeha aur musleh buna kar paish nahen kar raha................... Aur agar 1857 main huthyaar uthaanay ki baat ki to meray Bhai koi aik shakhs hi taareekh badalta hay baqi uski taqleed kartay hain......... baat yahan British Office ki mulaazmat ki naheen ho rahi, baat ZAMEER ki ho rahi hay........... Aap yaqeenan jaantay hain kay bohot son nay SIR ka khitaab qubool naheen kiya aur bohot saaron nay ZAMEER jaagnay per apnay khitabaat aur inaam main milnay wali raqoom aur jaageerain angraiz kay moonh per day maareen.............. Iqbal, Syed Ahmed aur Shahnawaz Bhutto nay aisaa naheen kiya................. chay khoob...........Angraizon ka K U T T A aur musalmanon ka musleh????????????? Karwa karwa thoo thoo aur meethaa meethaa hup hup.
 

Changgaizi

Banned
If you thoroughly go through the works of Allama Mohammad Iqbal then you can witness a unique evolution, which I guess is not present in other poets that we have come across. Perhaps he was a lifelong learner and experienced different phases in his thinking. You can notice nationalism/patriotism, Sufism (Islamic mysticism), Socialism/ Communism, Islamism, Pan-Islamism, strict adherence to monotheism, Quranism and Islamic modernism throughout his works. With such a diversity of ideas one can differ with him too but does it mean that one can label him with titles of an extremist, bigot or anything like that?

Iqbal was not a saint or angel but a human being, I agree. But abusing his legacy has become the latest trend amongst our pseudo liberal lot.

Iqbal was not even a POET himself. He was a TRANSLATOR and he translated the Thoughts of Roomi, Saadi, Jami and other Great philosophers of Muslim ummah from Arabic, Persian and Turkish to Urdu. That is all Iqbal's contribution to Islam. And he was not even a Muslim, he died as a Qadiyaani. And Pakistan is not the result of some SHARAABI's dream but the blood of 2.2 million innocent people.
 
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dilavar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Iqbal was not even a POET himself. He was a TRANSLATOR and he translated the Thoughts of Roomi, Saadi, Jami and other Great philosophers of Muslim ummah from Arabic, Persian and Turkish to Urdu. That is all Iqbal's contribution to Islam. And he was not even a Muslim, he died as a Qadiyaani. And Pakistan is not the result of some SHARAABI's dream but the blood of 2.2 million innocent people.

تینو اے گلاں کس طرح پتا چلیاں؟؟

پھر کہتے ہیں کھوتی نہ اکھو. حلانکے کھوتیاں نو ایدے تے احتراز کرنا چاہی دا ہے
 

Changgaizi

Banned

تینو اے گلاں کس طرح پتا چلیاں؟؟

پھر کہتے ہیں کھوتی نہ اکھو. حلانکے کھوتیاں نو ایدے تے احتراز کرنا چاہی دا ہے

Abay O dekh mazaaq na kar................... Aadmi bun, PUNJABI na bun.
 

dilavar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Abay O dekh mazaaq na kar................... Aadmi bun, PUNJABI na bun.

ہونڑ ابا کہ ریا این تے تیری وی رسپکٹ کرنی پے گی. میرے لال میں تینو کی آکھاں. مثلا ہی اس جدید دور دا اے وے کے معلومات اور سطحی انفورمشن عام اے تے علم تے انالیسس مفقود. مینو یقین ہے کے تو رومی اور سعدی دے قریب تو وی نہی گزرا ہوے گا. اقبال دی اورجنلٹی دے بارے اچ تے کوئی کھوتھی ہی شک کر سکدی اے جنوں کسی وی کتاب دے وزن نال ہی سروکار ہوندی اے.
 

Changgaizi

Banned

ہونڑ ابا کہ ریا این تے تیری وی رسپکٹ کرنی پے گی. میرے لال میں تینو کی آکھاں. مثلا ہی اس جدید دور دا اے وے کے معلومات اور سطحی انفورمشن عام اے تے علم تے انالیسس مفقود. مینو یقین ہے کے تو رومی اور سعدی دے قریب تو وی نہی گزرا ہوے گا. اقبال دی اورجنلٹی دے بارے اچ تے کوئی کھوتھی ہی شک کر سکدی اے جنوں کسی وی کتاب دے وزن نال ہی سروکار ہوندی اے.

Moaaf karna Bhai mujhay kuch bhi samajh naheen aayaa..................hahahahahaha
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Iqbal was not even a POET himself. He was a TRANSLATOR and he translated the Thoughts of Roomi, Saadi, Jami and other Great philosophers of Muslim ummah from Arabic, Persian and Turkish to Urdu. That is all Iqbal's contribution to Islam. And he was not even a Muslim, he died as a Qadiyaani. And Pakistan is not the result of some SHARAABI's dream but the blood of 2.2 million innocent people.

There was indeed a time when Allama Iqbal became a fan of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and even said that if one needs to see Islam in its pristine form then he must go and witness it in Qadian , BUT this all happened BEFORE the claims of Mirza came at the surface. Many Muftis became a fan of Mirza at one point due to his intellect but they would get shocked and become his opponents after the news of his claims of Prophethood emerged.

You might know that Jamat-e-Ahmadiyya, few years after Mirza's death would also split in two parts (recently it split even further)....Apart from mainstream Ahmadis (current Khalifa: Mirza Masroor Ahmed) there's a splinter faction of Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamat which denies that Mirza ever made any claim of Nabuwat (Nauzubillah) and consider him simply a Mujaddid (Reformer) . I read somewhere that Allama Iqbal was in good terms with Lahori faction. And here's an article from their website

http://aaiil.org/text/articles/others/sirmuhammadiqballahoreahmadiyyamovement.shtml

Plus Allama Iqbal's article titled 'Islam and Ahmadism'

http://www.koranselskab.dk/profiler/iqbal/ahmadism.htm

Anyways, both factions of Ahmadis are considered as non-Muslims now ever since the historic declaration of 1974. Iqbal could have erred in recognizing Mirza's true intentions.
 

اجل کنول

MPA (400+ posts)
i hate all poets who made me rattafy the stupid writings in my exams when i had no interest in poetry... all my tudent life my numbers were low because of these poets and afsana nigaars.... or atleast may be the way we were taught urdu... . just rattafy the ashaaar....
is shayer mein shaayer kehta hai ke uskee bivi us per thook ker haag gayee hai and usko khwaab mein uska bacha nazar aaraha hai and ye and wo....

i once remember in inter i juts rattafied one essay on some stupid afsana nigaar and i planned to jsut write that without caring who im writing abt.. i did pass it with around 55/100 :)

مجھے الجبرا اور جومیٹری ہمیشہ بری لگی لیکن میں نے اپنے آپ کو کبھی نہیں سوچا کہ میں اسکے اصولوں کو تشکیل کرنے والوں پر اپنا غصہ اتاروں یا ان سے نفرت کروں۔ انہوں نے جودنیا کو عطا کیا وہ بے مثال ہےاور رہی بات نامی گرامی شاعر، سائنسدان، فلسفی عالموں پر تنقید کرنے کی بات تو اس کے لئے اگر انسے بڑا نہیں تو کم از کم انکے درجے کا تو ہونا چاہئے۔
 

adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
algebra geometry se hee possible hua hai aaj kee technological advancement.... poetry se dhelaa kuch mila hai....

i dont mind philosophy. or theology... but poetry.. be in english urdu french.. total piece of crap...

مجھے الجبرا اور جومیٹری ہمیشہ بری لگی لیکن میں نے اپنے آپ کو کبھی نہیں سوچا کہ میں اسکے اصولوں کو تشکیل کرنے والوں پر اپنا غصہ اتاروں یا ان سے نفرت کروں۔ انہوں نے جودنیا کو عطا کیا وہ بے مثال ہےاور رہی بات نامی گرامی شاعر، سائنسدان، فلسفی عالموں پر تنقید کرنے کی بات تو اس کے لئے اگر انسے بڑا نہیں تو کم از کم انکے درجے کا تو ہونا چاہئے۔
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
in collage days a sindhi and seraiki wadaira children studied with us.they also said ghaleez things about iqbal and islam and nazria e pakistan.they even did not spare our creator...
in these areas of pakistani south their is a large community which has given up islam and are living like hindus now...but as these murtids are cowards so they do not expose their murtid status and inner mind openly..they label anyone maulvi who fasts or prays .and their biggest gaali is to label someone "punjabi molvi".lol.. they are open enemy of islam and pakistan.
but they get maximum benefits from pakistan.see.i had no safarish so i could never get any job while both of these anti pakistan and anti islam people are now double fcps and earning a lot in pakistan and abroad via pakistani degree.they used to cry endlessly about "punjabi" atrocities on their areas and injustices (while getting degrees in punjab themselves.lol) .what made me laugh was that punjab has now weak link with islam but even this link they hated so much.
...inshalah these people will be raised among nonmuslims in akhira though they will try to deceive everyone in end too after seeing islam,s truth on qayamat day.but because nothing is hidden from ALLAH so inshalah they wont escape .than they will live eternally with their heroes like raja dahar and prithvi raj chohan etc
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
these students from these areas used to say that our real hero is raja dahar,prithvi raj chauhan etc.and they said that muhammad bin qasim was a "terrorist"...they also said that we are brahman derawars and rajputs ,our identity is rajput or chohan etc and not islam.....when i asked them that raja dahar married his own sisters .so you support him still?they said yes....
see these people,s frame of mind.nadeem f paracha belongs to same back ground.as are the supporters of his column here
 
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اداس ساحل

MPA (400+ posts)
these students from these areas used to say that our real hero is raja dahar,prithvi raj chauhan etc.and they said that muhammad bin qasim was a "terrorist"...they also said that we are brahman derawars and rajputs ,our identity is rajput or chohan etc and not islam.....when i asked them that raja dahar married his own sisters .so you support him still?they said yes....
see these people,s frame of mind.nadeem f paracha belongs to same back ground.as are the supporters of his column here

بھائي دراصل يہ لوگ پاکستان ميں چھپے ہوئے پوشيدہ بھارتي اثاثے ہيں وقت آنے پر دو قومي نظريہ اسلام قائداعظم اقبال اور پاکستان کے خلاف ہگتے رہتے ہيں

iqbal was jsut a poet.... ...nothing else..

سورج کو برا بھلا کہنے سے اس کی روشنی ماند نہیں پڑجاتی - عظیم شخصیات کی مثال بھی ایسی ہی ہے
 

اجل کنول

MPA (400+ posts)
algebra geometry se hee possible hua hai aaj kee technological advancement.... poetry se dhelaa kuch mila hai....

i dont mind philosophy. or theology... but poetry.. be in english urdu french.. total piece of crap...

تو آپ کے خیال میں شاعری میں فلسفہ نہیں ہوتا؟
 

adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
falsafey ke liye resaerch paper likhdein.. essay likh dein .. white paper likh dein.. isko laffazee ekrke toar maraor ke paish kerna and phir hum masoom students se rattwana is no use....
تو آپ کے خیال میں شاعری میں فلسفہ نہیں ہوتا؟