جب لیڈر بھٹو جیسا ہو تو تب ایسے مسلم امّه اکٹھی ہوتی ہے

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
under butto’s rule

- Kashmir didn’t get freedom nor anything happened till date.
- Palestine didn’t get freedom nor anything happened till date
- Pakistan didn’t progress not was placed on large to progress
- Trade didn’t get mega boost with Arab countries
- Pakistani industries got nationalised and flopped
- Pakistani public institutes flopped
- Pakistan was broken into 2 parts.

so explain me again what was his actual success? speeches?
the success was constitution and restart of a loser nation and within few years world knew the power of islamic world. just imagine 93000 soldiers in Indian custody for long time ...... We had lost battle and was the Bhutto who pushed up a humiliated nation. he started nuclear program that was a great success. nationalization policy just ran for two years so how one can draw any conclusion even today china is under same nationalization policy.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
موجود سارے تھے پر سر کس نے دیا تھا جرات کا مظاہرہ کس نے کیا تھا . کوئی بہادری کا مظاہرہ کرے تو لوگ ساتھ چلتے ہیں یا بھکاریوں کے ساتھ کوئی چلتا ہے

شاہ جی سر دینے پر تو مجھے بھی افسوس اور غصہ ہے، مگر اس کا جواب تو آپ کو سر لینے والے کے روحانی بیٹے سے پوچھنا چاہیے۔ آپ یوتھیوں سے سینگ پھسا کر بیٹھ گئے ہیں۔ ویسے آپ اب کافی لیٹ ہو گئے ہیں کیونکہ اب تو دونوں خاندانوں میں صلح ہو گئی ہے۔
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اگر ۲۰۲۰ میں بھٹو زندہ ہوتا تو اسے بھی عربوں سے پیسے ہی مانگنے پڑتے ، یہاں آج کون سا خزانہ نکل اٰیا ہے۔ اس کا داماد اور جاتی مجرہ کا دلال پچھلے ۱۰ سال اس ملک کے پلے چھوڑ کر کیا گئے ہیں۔ جناب آنکھیں اور دماغ کو کھولیں۔
اور اگر نیازی کو ۱۹۷۰ کا پاکستان ملا ہوتا تو اسے بھی پیسے نہ مانگنے پڑتے۔
اس ملک میں اگر سارے ایمانداری سے ٹیکس دیں اور کوئی چور اس پیسوں میں لوٹ مار نہ کرے تو ہی پیسے مانگنے سے جان چھوٹ سکتی ہے، ورنہ بھول جائیں۔ آپ پہلا کام کریں، نیازی کو دوسرا کام کرنے دیں اللہ برکت ڈال دے گا۔
بھٹو کیوں مانگتا وہ بہتر پالیسی لاتا . مانگنے کا ہنر صرف کپتان کے پاس ہی ہے . نیازی کو پاکستان ملا تھا وہ ہتھیار پھینک آیا تھا . کونسا دور ایسا نہی تھا جب اس ملک کوئی چیلنج درپیش نہیں تھا . لیکن ماضی کی حکومتوں نے آگ و خوں جنگ و جدل میں بھی ملک چلایا لیکن اب نہیں چل رہا . یہ فرق ہوتا ہے کھلاڑی کھلاڑی راج اور عوامی راج کا
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)
جناب بھٹو مطلق العنان نہیں تھا . اقتدار جرنیلوں نے شیخ مجیب کو دینا تھا بھٹو نے نہیں دینا تھا . اگر بھٹو اسمبلی کا بائیکاٹ بھی کر دیتا تو بھی جرنیل شیخ مجیب کو اقتدار سونپ سکتے تھے اور حلف نہ اٹھانے والوں کی سیٹوں پر دوبارہ الیکشن کروا دیتے . بھٹو اس معاملے میں بے قصور ہے بلکہ اس کا قصور صرف جرنیلوں کے ساتھ چلنا تھا
Bhutto was a civilian dictator like Imran Niazi because both Bhutto and Imran Niazi chose military generals as their fathers.

He was anti-democratic, he only fooled the people of Pakistan in the name of democracy. If he was democratic he would have supported Mujibur Rahman instead of Yahya. He took sides with Yahya and facilitated army in their dirty works against Pakistan.

He was a dirty Munafiq in sheepskin. Allah took revenge of innocent lives from both Pak Army and Bhutto.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
the success was constitution and restart of a loser nation and within few years world knew the power of islamic world. just imagine 93000 soldiers in Indian custody for long time ...... We had lost battle and was the Bhutto who pushed up a humiliated nation. he started nuclear program that was a great success. nationalization policy just ran for two years so how one can draw any conclusion even today china is under same nationalization policy.
بھٹو کیوں مانگتا وہ بہتر پالیسی لاتا . مانگنے کا ہنر صرف کپتان کے پاس ہی ہے . نیازی کو پاکستان ملا تھا وہ ہتھیار پھینک آیا تھا . کونسا دور ایسا نہی تھا جب اس ملک کوئی چیلنج درپیش نہیں تھا . لیکن ماضی کی حکومتوں نے آگ و خوں جنگ و جدل میں بھی ملک چلایا لیکن اب نہیں چل رہا . یہ فرق ہوتا ہے کھلاڑی کھلاڑی راج اور عوامی راج کا

چلیں آپ بتا دیں وہ بہتر پالیسی کیا ہوتی؟ آپ غلط محاذ پر لڑ رہے ہیں جناب۔ اگر بھٹو کے قتل کا بدلہ لینا ہے تو اس کا کھرا جاتی امرا جاتا ہے۔
آپ کی ان باتوں کی وجہ سے ایک ایڈز زدہ ، ٹٹی خور بھارتی اس تھریڈ پر اپنی بہن پیش کر رہا ہے۔
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
شاہ جی سر دینے پر تو مجھے بھی افسوس اور غصہ ہے، مگر اس کا جواب تو آپ کو سر لینے والے کے روحانی بیٹے سے پوچھنا چاہیے۔ آپ یوتھیوں سے سینگ پھسا کر بیٹھ گئے ہیں۔ ویسے آپ اب کافی لیٹ ہو گئے ہیں کیونکہ اب تو دونوں خاندانوں میں صلح ہو گئی ہے۔
میں کب بھٹو کے نام سے موجودہ سیاسی سیٹ اپ کو متاثر کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں . بھٹو بھی عمران نیازی جیسا ہی انسان تھا لیکن اس میں ہمت تھی اور اس نے امت کا مقدمہ لڑا . یہاں بہت سے روحانی و جسمانی بیٹے آئیں گے چلے جائیں گے کوئی بھٹو کے نام سے منافع لے گا کوئی گالی دے گا . لیکن اس شخص کی ہمت کو داد دینی چاہئیے کہ اس نے امت مسلمہ کے اتحاد کا مظاہرہ کیا
 

Munawarkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wasn’t Bhutto the cause of 1971 war? His refusing to accept Awami leagues mandate causes the uprising leading to succession of Bangladesh and POW’s.

Also don’t forget his inhumane movement in Balochistan killing of 100’s of civilians


the success was constitution and restart of a loser nation and within few years world knew the power of islamic world. just imagine 93000 soldiers in Indian custody for long time ...... We had lost battle and was the Bhutto who pushed up a humiliated nation. he started nuclear program that was a great success. nationalization policy just ran for two years so how one can draw any conclusion even today china is under same nationalization policy.
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bhutto was a civilian dictator like Imran Niazi because both Bhutto and Imran Niazi chose military generals as their fathers.

He was anti-democratic, he only fooled the people of Pakistan in the name of democracy. If he was democratic he would have supported Mujibur Rahman instead of Yahya. He took sides with Yahya and facilitated army in their dirty works against Pakistan.

He was a dirty Munafiq in sheepskin. Allah took revenge of innocent lives from both Pak Army and Bhutto.
Your hate dont match the ground realities. He was a great man even he stood against Ayob and did not compromise the national interest. He was loyal to land and great patriot. Whatsoever he did it was in national interest. This land will always remember him as great son of soil
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)
میں کب بھٹو کے نام سے موجودہ سیاسی سیٹ اپ کو متاثر کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں . بھٹو بھی عمران نیازی جیسا ہی انسان تھا لیکن اس میں ہمت تھی اور اس نے امت کا مقدمہ لڑا . یہاں بہت سے روحانی و جسمانی بیٹے آئیں گے چلے جائیں گے کوئی بھٹو کے نام سے منافع لے گا کوئی گالی دے گا . لیکن اس شخص کی ہمت کو داد دینی چاہئیے کہ اس نے امت مسلمہ کے اتحاد کا مظاہرہ کیا
Bhutto was nothing except an ambitious person who after 'illegally' becoming the Prime Minister of Pakistan (that he did not deserve) wished to be the leader of Islamic world. He had only one skill which was eloquence wrapped with deceitfulness. You say he fought the case of ummah but within his own country he dealt with opposition like a communist psycho.

How can he be a leader when he facilitated the breakup of this country? He was responsible for convincing stupid generals to go to war to India in 1965, and when the results were negative he distanced himself from his daddie Ayoub.

He, the deceitful Bhutto opposed Ayoub when he was no more the Commander in Chief, and now Bhutto was obeying Commanders like Yahya in toppling Ayoub's regime.
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)
Your hate dont match the ground realities. He was a great man even he stood against Ayob and did not compromise the national interest. He was loyal to land and great patriot. Whatsoever he did it was in national interest. This land will always remember him as great son of soil
How can he be loyal to Pakistan when he was picked up by two traitors as his minister??

Wasn't he part of Ayoub's Cabinet?

Wasn't he picked up by Yahya to go to the UNSC and 'fight' the case of Pakistan in December 1971?

Wasn't he the traitor who was promised by Yahya for Premiership if he joined military gang against democracy, against the people of East Pakistan and West Pakistan?
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wasn’t Bhutto the cause of 1971 war? His refusing to accept Awami leagues mandate causes the uprising leading to succession of Bangladesh and POW’s.

Also don’t forget his inhumane movement in Balochistan killing of 100’s of civilians
His denial or acceptance dont make any change. He was not one to decide operation search light and he was not one to handover rule to Mujib , these were all decisions of military. Tell me on what post he was to affect state business. Suppose PMLn boycott assembly so it means PTI cant get rule never the transfer of power is not affected by anyone's boycott
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میں کب بھٹو کے نام سے موجودہ سیاسی سیٹ اپ کو متاثر کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں . بھٹو بھی عمران نیازی جیسا ہی انسان تھا لیکن اس میں ہمت تھی اور اس نے امت کا مقدمہ لڑا . یہاں بہت سے روحانی و جسمانی بیٹے آئیں گے چلے جائیں گے کوئی بھٹو کے نام سے منافع لے گا کوئی گالی دے گا . لیکن اس شخص کی ہمت کو داد دینی چاہئیے کہ اس نے امت مسلمہ کے اتحاد کا مظاہرہ کیا

جناب میں بھی بھٹو کے کچھ کاموں کی قدر کرتا ہوں۔ ہمت بھی ان میں ایک ہے، ورنہ وہ بھی جاتی مجرے کے دلال کی طرح کسی عربی کی پناہ لے سکتا تھا، مگر میں اس کے اصل قاتل کو بھول کر کسی اور پر غصہ نہیں نکال سکتا، اور نہ ہی کسی زرداری کو بھٹو مان سکتا ہوں۔
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)
His denial or acceptance dont make any change. He was not one to decide operation search light and he was not one to handover rule to Mujib , these were all decisions of military.
You're a liar and you are using hypocrisy. When Yahya launched operation searchlight, Bhutto the traitor said, 'Pakistan has been saved'.

If Bhutto was democratic and a supporter of truth, he would have taken the sides with democratic people in East and West Pakistan both. But he was a power hungry freak who chose his military masters and whitewashed their crimes.
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bhutto was nothing except an ambitious person who after 'illegally' becoming the Prime Minister of Pakistan (that he did not deserve) wished to be the leader of Islamic world. He had only one skill which was eloquence wrapped with deceitfulness. You say he fought the case of ummah but within his own country he dealt with opposition like a communist psycho.

How can he be a leader when he facilitated the breakup of this country? He was responsible for convincing stupid generals to go to war to India in 1965, and when the results were negative he distanced himself from his daddie Ayoub.

He, the deceitful Bhutto opposed Ayoub when he was no more the Commander in Chief, and now Bhutto was obeying Commanders like Yahya in toppling Ayoub's regime.
He got majority in West Pakistan that was not illegal ....He deserved to rule either PM or CM of West Pakistan. It is totally unfortunate to think that West Pakistan would be governed by Awami league which could not win a single seat there.
He never facilitated breakup of Pakistan nor did he was at any decisive position to decide fate of country or operation search light.
Your hate is just out of box because many people got affected due to his nationalization policies and Ahamdi
.Sun is sun and histrory writes that is sun ..... no matter who deny
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Your hate dont match the ground realities. He was a great man even he stood against Ayob and did not compromise the national interest. He was loyal to land and great patriot. Whatsoever he did it was in national interest. This land will always remember him as great son of soil

آپ کے تھریڈ پر ایک ایڈز زدہ ٹٹی خور بھارتی اپنی بہن پیش کر رہا ہے۔
They say that Bhutto didn’t let Indra go empty stomach in Shimla.
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You're a liar and you are using hypocrisy. When Yahya launched operation searchlight, Bhutto the traitor said, 'Pakistan has been saved'.

If Bhutto was democratic and a supporter of truth, he would have taken the sides with democratic people in East and West Pakistan both. But he was a power hungry freak who chose his military masters and whitewashed their crimes.
After his successful dialogue with Mujib , he announced that but after military did not stick to his solution and operation was launched. In every way he was nothing to decide anything , how can you blame a messenger over war of its general. If he was a power hungry then he would have been struck to Ayob and got progress , he could easily be PM with military help
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)
He got majority in West Pakistan that was not illegal ....He deserved to rule either PM or CM of West Pakistan. It is totally unfortunate to think that West Pakistan would be governed by Awami league which could not win a single seat there.
If we follow your above 'principle' then Bhutto had been rejected by the people of Balochistan and NWFP, then why he had the right to become the Prime Minister of whole Pakistan?

And since Bhutto did not win a single seat in East Pakistan and Mujib didn't win the same in West Pakistan, did it mean that Pakistan would be broken up?
 

sequencers

MPA (400+ posts)

آپ کے تھریڈ پر ایک ایڈز زدہ ٹٹی خور بھارتی اپنی بہن پیش کر رہا ہے۔
They say that Bhutto didn’t let Indra go empty stomach in Shimla.
They say that Gen. Yahya never got married however he slept with wives of civilian and military officers. It's the DNA of Gen. Yahya which is showing its auqaat in your personality.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He got majority in West Pakistan that was not illegal ....He deserved to rule either PM or CM of West Pakistan. It is totally unfortunate to think that West Pakistan would be governed by Awami league which could not win a single seat there.
He never facilitated breakup of Pakistan nor did he was at any decisive position to decide fate of country or operation search light.
Your hate is just out of box because many people got affected due to his nationalization policies and Ahamdi
.Sun is sun and histrory writes that is sun ..... no matter who deny
بھائی اب آگے چلو۔ بھٹو بیچارے کو اب سکون سے رہنے دو۔ اب اس ملک کی ذمہ داری ہمارے اوپر ہے۔
 

Modest

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
1. Bhutto divided the country in two
2. Bhutto destroyed the country’s economy by his nationalisation policy
3. Bhutto created civil unrest in the country. He raised voice against jageerdas but didn’t give an inch of his own land to any poor.
The only good thing Bhutto did was starting Pakistan’s nuclear programme.
Imran Khan is father of Bhuttos. Imran Khan is visionary, honest, sincere & brave while Bhuttos are incompetent & corrupt of highest order.