I did not know that, Did you? Marvi Sirmad is a Muslim!

Yasir1983

MPA (400+ posts)
What a shame the Pakistani people have simply lost their rationality. Just the sight of a BINDYA lead them think of someone belonging to one religion or another! Grow up guys. Look at the essences of things. Judge people by their truthfulness and integrity and not by their religions. Many muslims are not good humans and many non-muslims are good humans. There are good and bad, honest and dishonest people in every religion.

And Since you have not lost your Rationality...what does that make U endian??????
A pigeon goes in your country india and your media calls it an ISI Spy, you call a camel a terrorist who crossed the border.....i mean come on

People(hindus) who do not believe in the existence of ALLAH (SWT) are talking about Logic and Rationality,Truth & integrity.
SHAME ON YOU idol worshipers , SHAME ON YOUR LOGIC, SHAME ON YOUR TRUTH AND SHAME ON YOUR INTEGRITY.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
مجھے نہیں علم کہ آپ کونسے سوالات کی بات کر رہے ہیں۔ آپ کے سوالات یا تو ماروی کے متعلق تھے جن کا میں جواب دے چکی ہوں کہ میں ماروی کو نہیں جانتی اور میں انٹرویو میں فقط یہ بات دیکھ رہی ہوں کہ کیا بات کی جا رہی ہے، نہ کہ یہ کہ کون کہہ رہا ہے۔

مجھ پر الزام لگانے کی بجائے آپ اپنے سوالات کا پھر سے معائینہ کیجئے۔

اور میں نے کھل کر کہا ہے کہ آپ کو اسلامی نظام قائم کرنا ہے تو بے شک کیجئیے، مگر یہ یقین دھانی کروائیے کہ اس معاشرے میں کوئی ناانصافی نہیں ہو گی۔ کیونکہ معاشرہ کفر پر تو قائم رہ سکتا ہے، مگر ناانصافی پر نہیں۔

اور طالبان کا ذکر اس حوالے سے آیا تھا کہ انہوں نے جو ہندوؤں کے ساتھ انسانیت سوز سلوک کیا ہے، اسکے ردعمل میں یورپ میں انتہا پسند قوتیں مسلمانوں کے خلاف متحرک ہو کر قوت پکڑ رہی ہیں۔ اس پر بجائے طالبان کی غلطی ماننے کے آپ نے انکی تعریفیں اور توصیفیں شروع کر دیں۔ اس پر آپ کی آنکھیں کھولنے کے لیے حقائق پیش کرنے پڑے ہیں۔

آج آپ کو "انسانیت" نامی کوئی چیز نظر نہیں آ رہی، اور جو لوگ انسانیت کی آواز اٹھاتے ہیں انہیں آپ ایک بہانے یا دوسرے بہانے کافر بناتے ہیں، امریکہ کا ایجنٹ بناتے ہیں یا پھر را کا ایجنٹ بنا دیتے ہیں۔

کل کو انسانیت کی یہ عالمی آواز کمزور ہوئی اور تمام قوموں میں موجود انتہا پسند امور پر قابض ہو گئے تو پھر افغانستان میں امریکی طیاروں کو کوئی نہیں روک رہا ہو گا کہ وہ معصوم شہری آبادی، عورتوں اور بچوں پر اپنے طیاروں سے بم نہ برسائیں، اور آپ کی طالبان ایک بار پھر شہری آبادی کو چھوڑ کر پہاڑوں میں فرار ہوتی اور اپنی جانیں بچاتی پھر رہی ہو گی۔

اور مسئلہ آپ کے ساتھ یہ بھی ہے کہ آپ میں سچ بات سننے کا حوصلہ کم ہے۔ آپ نے سارا قصور شبلی نعمانی کی گود مین ڈال کر طالبان کو بھی کلین چٹ دے دی اور باقیوں کو بھی۔ مگر بے چارے شبلی نعمانی صاحب نے تو فقط وہ بات دہرائی ہے جو پچھلے علماء لکھ گئے، مثلا ابن تیمیہ کے فتاوی دیکھ لیجئیے یا پھر ابن حزم کی المحلی دیکھ لیں۔

میں نے پہلے بیان کیا کہ بہت سے مسلمان (بڑی اکثریت) ہندوؤں کی اس طالبانی تضحیک کو اچھا نہیں سمجھتے۔ آپ بھی انہی میں شامل ہیں اور روشن خیال ہیں اور یہ بہت اچھی بات ہے۔

مگر مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ آپ نے طالبان کی پھر بھی مذمت نہیں کی۔ اس طرز عمل سے آپ طالبان کو کبھی بھی برائی سے نہیں روک سکتے۔

اور میں آپ کو یقین دلاتی ہوں کہ یہ انتہا پسندی ملا حضرات نے اگلی نسل کو بہت بڑے پیمانے پر منتقل کی ہے۔ آپ ذاتی رائے میں اس فعل کو برا سمجھتے ہوئے بھی انکو نہیں روک سکتے۔ ان انتہا پسندوں کو ملاوؤں نے برین واش کر دیا ہے کہ اسلام تلوار کے زور پر پھیلا ہے اور غیر مسلموں کی تضحیک کرنا ایک اسلامی فریضہ اور شریعت کا حصہ ہے تاکہ وہ تضحیک سے تنگ آ کر اسلام قبول کر لیں۔

باقی آپ حقائق سے آنکھیں چرانا چاہیں، یا پھر الٹا سارا الزام اٹھا کر میرے سر ڈال دیں تو الگ مسئلہ ہے۔

میری باتیں سخت ہو سکتی ہیں۔۔۔ مگر میں سچ لکھتی ہوں۔ باقی میرا اللہ میرے لیے بطور گواہ کافی ہے۔


 

Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
dont forget to count khumenie's massacre in inquilab-e-iran... irani mullah martyred hundreds of thousands innocent people.. history cannot absorb fact madam.. blaming talban is not the solution.. inquilab-e-iran men phoolon se nahi khoon k nadian baha kr takht-e-iran pr qabza kia gaya.. hope yeh insaniyat irani mullah ko bhi mirror dekhanay k kaam aye gi..asbiyat ki waja se sirf aik tarf ka sach na dekha karain.. mazeed haqaiq chahye irani inquilab aur zulm aur bar barriyat k to aik dhondo hazaar milty hen...sach niglana bhi seekhain..agar dosrsay ki ankh ka baal aap ko nazar ata hay to apni ankh ka shahteer bhi mulahiza farma lia karain.. mazeed bahas men nahi parna chahta kion k aap ne phir talban fobia pr research shuru kr deni hay..

yeh zulm bhi mulahiza farmayen jo aap k paiti bhai iraq men farma rahay hain..


Allah bahtreen insaaf krnay wala hay... aur kr k rahay ga...Inshallah
 
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Islamabadi1

Minister (2k+ posts)
All anti Pakistan ngo's and organisations within Pakistan should be banned, any person who is inclined towards pro Indian and anti Pakistan agenda should be tried under treason act and hanged.

SO you are going to decide who is an anti Pakistan Ngo and who is not? You will issue yearly certificates too in this regard?
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
Its funny you have done the same thing, but altleast she used proper urdu.
Mehwish ji.. lambi taqreer men agar koi mukabla kia jaye to yaqeenan aap se koi nahi jeet sakta... lafzon aur apnay andar chupay hoye khayalat ko haalat aur wakeaat k mutabik kis tara use krna hay yeh koi aapo se seekhay.. mera sawaal aap se marvi samrad k baray mern nahi kion k marvi sarmad ho ya koi aur iss pak sarzameen k baray men jo bhi bakwas karay ga us k khilaf fatway to lazmi lagain gay..
aap ne khushkismati se wo program to dekh hi lia jis men mohtarma( l.anti) astaghfirullah aur inna lillah ko baar baar khurafaat farm rahin thin Naoozbillah shayd aap nbe notice na kia ho .. wo bechara laal topi wala us k pas shayd jawab denay ko thos alfaz nahi thy iss waja se pooray program men wo dominent nazar aaen..
kia aap kio nazar men pakistann ko islamic republic pakistan hi hona chaye ya aap bhi SAFMA ki bayhoodgi se bhari tahreek ko support krti hen k jis men Pakistani ka islami tashakhus mitany k liye tamam liberal h.a.r.am.i maidan men kood gaye hain..
kia Pakistan ko bananay ka maksad musalmano k liye aik alag mulk haasil krna tha ya quaid-e-azam ne iqitidar k liye partition kia?
agar pakistan aik secular state hi banana tha to 2 lakh log jo qatal ho gaye hijrat k waqt jis men aap k aaaba-o-ajdad bhi thy as MQM claims it... kia wo sab aik secular mulk haasil krnay k liye qatal hoye...
Marvi jasay liberal log jo gay /lesbian rights k liye lobbing krtay hoye akhir kaar maidan men kood paray hain iss kaabil hain k un ki baat suni jaye aur unhain ahmiyat di jaye..
i dont believe zaid hamid as well wo bechara apni bayizti laal topi baloongra etc pr hi ghusay men bhuna betha tha aur koi baat us k zahn men aa hi nahi rahi thi..
mohtarma mahwish ji kia aap yeh model jo marvi paish kr rhi hy Iran men bhi iss ki hosla afzaee karain gi? agar secularism aur liberal society ka wujood pakistan men hota dekhnay ki khuwahish marvi jasay logon ko hay to unhain iran men bhi apni tahreek launch krni chaye...
maghrib men taalban bandaam iss liye hain k unho ne west k khilaf hathyar uthaye hoye hen..aur apni zameen khali karanay k liye maidan men hain ab un ki soch jasi bhi hay yeh faisla un k awam ne karna hay jo un ka saath dety hoye abhi tak 150 mulkon ki foj se larr rahay hain..pakistani talban raw funded hain jinhain isi marvi k aaqa apnay liye use krtay aye hain aur kr rahay hain aap ka iss se muttafiq hona lazmi nahi... maghrib men irani society aur irani islam bhi popular nazar se nahi dekha jata..agar yaqeen nahi aata to web surfing kr k apni maloomaat men izafa kr sakti hen..
Pakistan aik islami mulk hay tha aur rahay ga.. do qomi nazariya iss mulk k wujood ka sabab tha aur rahay ga.... iss mulk men hr sect hr religion aman aur aashti k saath rah sakta hay ...
meri nazar men jo log aaj iss marvi jasay virous ka shikaar hain un sab ko trucks men bhar k sarhad paar bhaij dena chaye aur india ko as a gift paish krna chaye k yeh lain apni society k gumshuda log jo ghalti se pakistan men paida ho gaye...
 

Doctorplato

Councller (250+ posts)
Haha...who told you I am an Indian or a Hindu? I am a Pakistan and a MUSLIM Alhamdullilah. But Allah has given me insight and eyes and ears and an open mind. And so I consider all humanity the creature of Allah. All have the right to live with peace. Islam means love and not hate for others. You'll do better to learn to love others rather than spreading hate against fellow humans. Islam was spread in Hindustan through love by buzagran-e-deen and not through hate. God bless you with eternal love for humans and animals. [QUOTE=Yasir1983;501222]And Since you have not lost your Rationality...what does that make U endian??????
A pigeon goes in your country india and your media calls it an ISI Spy, you call a camel a terrorist who crossed the border.....i mean come on

People(hindus) who do not believe in the existence of ALLAH (SWT) are talking about Logic and Rationality,Truth & integrity.
SHAME ON YOU idol worshipers , SHAME ON YOUR LOGIC, SHAME ON YOUR TRUTH AND SHAME ON YOUR INTEGRITY.[/QUOTE]
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
SO you are going to decide who is an anti Pakistan Ngo and who is not? You will issue yearly certificates too in this regard?

It is an open secret that Marvi Sirman is an Indian Plant. There are many such people planted in West Pakistan after 70's. Millions of dollors are being spent for this purpose. Aim is to challange and destroy 'ideology of Pakisan' in a systematic way. Once ideology is destroyed, Pakistan will also. Good work Indians. Keep it up.
 

jennyrock42

MPA (400+ posts)
Bindya does not represent any religion.It is just cultural sign.


It is definitely hindu religious tradition to put some kind of mark on their forehead, for hindu males it is called "Tilk" and for hindu females it is called "Bindiya". That is why in the west hindus are usually called "dot heads".

Regards
 

jennyrock42

MPA (400+ posts)
He is unfortunately right. I checked it on wikipedia. Many Many women in Bangladesh wear bindiya.


Why are you comparing pakistan with bangladesh. The indigenous culture of paksitan is different than that of Bangladesh, in bangladesh their alphabets are also based on hindi/sanskrit alphabet, so does this mean we should also use sanskrit script to write urdu or punjabi than our persio-arabic script because muslims in bangladesh are doing so, you need to be more careful.

Regards
 

jujuju

Banned
mr gilani dont you think if india bought and paid for a spy in pakistan, the spy would be more discrete so that it would be hard to catch him/her. why would an indian spy in pakistan wear a bindi and arouse suspicion? you guys are so stupid it is beyond belief.

all the people you have called as spies, marvi, nusrat javed, najam sethi etc are just liberals who differ from you politically. if idiots like zaid hamid and other patriots on this board can recognize indian spies in a population of 18 crores, RAW must be doing a terrible job in recruitment.

more importantly when ur president zardari himself and many of the political leadership are so corrupt, why would not RAW recruit senior politicians with some power, rather then journalists like marvi. when i can see this argument, you really think RAW cannot?
It is an open secret that Marvi Sirman is an Indian Plant. There are many such people planted in West Pakistan after 70's. Millions of dollors are being spent for this purpose. Aim is to challange and destroy 'ideology of Pakisan' in a systematic way. Once ideology is destroyed, Pakistan will also. Good work Indians. Keep it up.
 
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freshnkool

Minister (2k+ posts)
I only came across Marvi Sirmad for the first time in Dr Shahid Masood's program a couple of days ago. I just judged her from her get up, She obviously looked like a hindu with tikka on her forehead.

I was speaking to a friend of mine and he said, she is NOT a hindu but a muslim.

How ridiculous is that, she wore that tikka to make Zaid Hamid jealous or something???

Can someone please confirm that. This just makes me mad that she only did that to support hindus.


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my friend go and find out its not only hindu who wear tikka or bindi, bangladesh our muslim women wear bindi too, this bindi or tikka culture is more common in bangali culture and majority of bangali women ( weather hindu, christian or muslim) wear tikka or bindi

and secondly ask someone even in afghanistan some tribe muslim women wear dark color tikka or bindi on forehead and even some women wear on chin,

so please do not think someone hindu just becuase of bindi . whole sin will be on you. kesi k emaan per shuba maat karoo jab tuk saboon naa hoo.
 

freshnkool

Minister (2k+ posts)
i have never seen a muslim woman wearing it besides her. have you?

yes, its common in bangali culture , even muslim women in bangladesh wear it ( not all). even some afghan tribes their muslim women have bindi or tikka on forehead and even some wear both on chin and forhead
 

freshnkool

Minister (2k+ posts)
Someones dad being a muslim dosent make them muslim..Quran gives out islamic laws..and we should try our best to follow those laws..and implement it in our societies..Allah SWT are the best laws..when she said that she will continue to struggle for secular pakistan..she lost everything in this world..before it was jus alligations..and she proved zaid hammids point that they are working on a indian western agenda on pakistan..i am not saying she is a non muslim..or anythng like that..but simply someones dad being muslim dosent make them muslim...also about the dress..this bindi..is a hindu religious thing..not a culture..there is a reason why hindus put this..and this is a trade mark of hindu..i know people whose fathers are muslim..but they have disbeliefed..so someones father being muslim dosent assure that..


few question to you

1. bangladesh musim women wear bindi or tikka as its common in bangali culture (both bindi and sari) and sari and bindi are both worn in bagladesh by bangali muslim women
2. even some afghan muslim women have tikka or bindi on their fore head . they wear it and some women even make it on chin too.

secondly if you say that someones dad does not make anyone muslim
then how u know from heart out 180 million population of paksitan is mulim or not have you seen them in their heart???? if you have not seen the heart then how u can claim then how we know how much eman zahid hamid has or not ( because we have not seen his heart either)

kesi k emaan per shaak karny say pehly jaoo or us bundy saa khud pooch loo. eman is between Allah and the person. who has more and who has less. its upto Allah to decide .

magagr Allah raham kary mery mulak per jahan loog abb Allah waly kaam bhee apny hathon main leengy lagg gy hain or apni apni akal k mutabiq logon k emaan tuleen gy.

quran main Allah kahta hai k kesi gorh ki doshmni bhee tumheen zyadti per maail naa kar dy.
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
mr gilani dont you think if india bought and paid for a spy in pakistan, the spy would be more discrete so that it would be hard to catch him/her. why would an indian spy in pakistan wear a bindi and arouse suspicion? you guys are so stupid it is beyond belief.

all the people you have called as spies, marvi, nusrat javed, najam sethi etc are just liberals who differ from you politically. if idiots like zaid hamid and other patriots on this board can recognize indian spies in a population of 18 crores, RAW must be doing a terrible job in recruitment.

more importantly when ur president zardari himself and many of the political leadership are so corrupt, why would not RAW recruit senior politicians with some power, rather then journalists like marvi. when i can see this argument, you really think RAW cannot?

We know India did the same game in 1971 in East Pakistan of supporting rebels openly against Pakistan's national interest to break it. Same game is going on in West Pakistan today. That is why she can wear bindi coz it is an open secret. They cannot confront two nation theory from their hiding places. They have to come out to confront. That is what is going on.
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
i dun feel like replying back to u..but if u see my quote again..i said " i am not saying she is a non muslim" so i didnt say she is muslim or not muslim..plz dont get hyper in writing comments..before read it carefully..thats all i ahve to say to u
few question to you

1. bangladesh musim women wear bindi or tikka as its common in bangali culture (both bindi and sari) and sari and bindi are both worn in bagladesh by bangali muslim women
2. even some afghan muslim women have tikka or bindi on their fore head . they wear it and some women even make it on chin too.

secondly if you say that someones dad does not make anyone muslim
then how u know from heart out 180 million population of paksitan is mulim or not have you seen them in their heart???? if you have not seen the heart then how u can claim then how we know how much eman zahid hamid has or not ( because we have not seen his heart either)

kesi k emaan per shaak karny say pehly jaoo or us bundy saa khud pooch loo. eman is between Allah and the person. who has more and who has less. its upto Allah to decide .

magagr Allah raham kary mery mulak per jahan loog abb Allah waly kaam bhee apny hathon main leengy lagg gy hain or apni apni akal k mutabiq logon k emaan tuleen gy.

quran main Allah kahta hai k kesi gorh ki doshmni bhee tumheen zyadti per maail naa kar dy.
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
And my also..i said..that i knwo people who have muslims parents and they openly say they are athiest..so thats why i said if someones dad is muslims that dosent mean they are muslim..bhai plz use some sense..and read comments properly..before commenting on what other thinks..
few question to you

1. bangladesh musim women wear bindi or tikka as its common in bangali culture (both bindi and sari) and sari and bindi are both worn in bagladesh by bangali muslim women
2. even some afghan muslim women have tikka or bindi on their fore head . they wear it and some women even make it on chin too.

secondly if you say that someones dad does not make anyone muslim
then how u know from heart out 180 million population of paksitan is mulim or not have you seen them in their heart???? if you have not seen the heart then how u can claim then how we know how much eman zahid hamid has or not ( because we have not seen his heart either)

kesi k emaan per shaak karny say pehly jaoo or us bundy saa khud pooch loo. eman is between Allah and the person. who has more and who has less. its upto Allah to decide .

magagr Allah raham kary mery mulak per jahan loog abb Allah waly kaam bhee apny hathon main leengy lagg gy hain or apni apni akal k mutabiq logon k emaan tuleen gy.

quran main Allah kahta hai k kesi gorh ki doshmni bhee tumheen zyadti per maail naa kar dy.
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
Why are you comparing pakistan with bangladesh. The indigenous culture of paksitan is different than that of Bangladesh, in bangladesh their alphabets are also based on hindi/sanskrit alphabet, so does this mean we should also use sanskrit script to write urdu or punjabi than our persio-arabic script because muslims in bangladesh are doing so, you need to be more careful.

Regards
I know what you saying but issue is that whether muslim women wear bindiya. And answer is Yes. Although I don't like the answer but its correct.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ماوری بے شک ہزار غلطیاں کر سکتی ہیں، مگر انکی اپروچ بنیادی طور پر "انسانیت" ہے۔

Your brother have the same thinking.....kill for humanity....

May Allah bless you lots of son like that , but in Germany , not in Pakistan.

German people like humanity....very much...(Azizi)
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جہاں تک میں سمجھ سکی ہوں تو ماتھے پر تلک لگانا (سرخ رنگ) سے ہندو مردوں اور عورتوں دونوں کے لیے مذہبی شعار ہے۔

جبکہ عام بندیا کا ہندو مذہب سے کوئی تعلق نہیں بلکہ یہ عورت کے زیور میں شمار ہوتا ہے اور کلچرل چیز ہے۔

باقی اس بات کے سو فیصد صحیح ہونے کی گارنٹی نہیں دے سکتی کیونکہ ہندو مذہب اور کلچر کے مطالعہ کا موقع نہیں ملا ہے۔