Is it possible to create a state on the model of state of Madinah?

[Mughal1]

People who claim to be muslims some of them talk about creating a state on the model of state of madinah that was brought about by the final messenger of Allah.
The question is, is it possible to do that? The idea of creating a state on the model of state of madinah gives rise to many questions eg what do we really know about the state of madinah? Why was it created? How was it brought about? How was it maintained? Unless people who want to create a state based upon model of madinah state can clearly answer these like questions, there is no chance for them to bring about a state like that. The main question is, where did the model come from for the state of madinah? Is it even possible to create a state based upon model of madinah state in any muslim state?

So all those who claim to be muslims are welcome to participate in this discussion. It is because if muslims have no idea about islam as to what it actually is then how can they even think about bringing about a state based upon model of state of madinah?

 

[Rocky Khurasani]

People who claim to be muslims some of them talk about creating a state on the model of state of madinah that was brought about by the final messenger of Allah.
The question is, is it possible to do that? The idea of creating a state on the model of state of madinah gives rise to many questions eg what do we really know about the state of madinah? Why was it created? How was it brought about? Unless people who want to create a state based upon model of madinah state can clearly answer these like questions, there is no chance for them to bring about a state like that. The main question is, where did the model come from for the state of madinah? Is it even possible to create a state based upon model of madinah state in any muslim state?

So all those who claim to be muslims are welcome to participate in this discussion. It is because if muslims have no idea about islam as to what it actually is then how can they even think about bringing about a state based upon model of state of madinah?

Its normal to raise questions like this, when a nation is going through an Existential Crisis.

That's all I had to say.

 

[Tyrion Lannister]

no becuase 1400 years have passed and world has moved on

 

[dxtyle]

Adopt Quran as a way of life in all aspects , Sun-nah of the prophet shall be implemented by the government ,
Power shall be transfer ed ,
Quran Research institute shall be made

 

[Mughal1]

Its normal to raise questions like this, when a nation is going through an Existential Crisis.

That's all I had to say.

I agree with you 100%. It is not only a nation but also individual small and large groups as well such as a family or tribe etc. It is because it is a time for do or die for them.

People who are clever enough they learn from teachings by others. That is because basically we all learn from direct experience only. The next thing is learning from the direct experiences of others. If we do not learn from experiences of others or from the self experience then we are doomed.

 

[Mughal1]

no becuase 1400 years have passed and world has moved on

No, dear tyrion lannister. Basic truths never change with time.

 

[Rocky Khurasani]

People who claim to be muslims some of them talk about creating a state on the model of state of madinah that was brought about by the final messenger of Allah.
The question is, is it possible to do that? The idea of creating a state on the model of state of madinah gives rise to many questions eg what do we really know about the state of madinah? Why was it created? How was it brought about? How was it maintained? Unless people who want to create a state based upon model of madinah state can clearly answer these like questions, there is no chance for them to bring about a state like that. The main question is, where did the model come from for the state of madinah? Is it even possible to create a state based upon model of madinah state in any muslim state?

So all those who claim to be muslims are welcome to participate in this discussion. It is because if muslims have no idea about islam as to what it actually is then how can they even think about bringing about a state based upon model of state of madinah?

However, I want to raise a point in relation to the difference between Khan and Erdogan:

When Khan was suffering General Public came out, not the Mullahs and Imams.

However, when in 2016 when Erdogan was facing a coup attempt in 2016, all the Imams of Turkish Mosques in all the major cities of Turkey started Azans in Synchronization and appealed the Public from loud speakerrs to come out . They did it straight after hearing the President on Facetime. As soon as this happened everybody started going towards Istanbul's airport to receive their President. That coup attempt was over by 3am in the morning when Erdogan landed.


Point to Ponder for PTI and IK: The next time they are in power they need to rid Mullahism from the Mullahs like Fazul Rehman etc. because they are just stooges of ISI in disguise. The GoP must take ownership of all mosques and Madrassas and give them direct financial support and stipends. IK actually did that in KP on a small scale, but they need to do that in Punjab on a massive scale.

 

[Tyrion Lannister]

No, dear tyrion lannister. Basic truths never change with time.

society is more complex than basic truths now, Ijtahad is needed, you can either be Turkey or Afghanistan, choice is yours, I know which one I would prefer to live

 

[cestmoi ✅️]

It's the principles like IK says, rule of law and welfare state.

 

[Mughal1]

Adopt Quran as a way of life in all aspects , Sun-nah of the prophet shall be implemented by the government ,
Power shall be transfer ed ,
Quran Research institute shall be made

Yes, following the quran is the real answer. However the quranic text can be interpreted in various ways. This is our fundamental problem and that is why to follow the quran is not possible till we work on the correct interpretation of the quranic text.

People have a few different views about islam as to what it really is eg is islam deen only or is it mazhab only or is it deen and mazhab etc etc. Here again we have little or no idea as to what is meant by deen or mazhab.

Why knowing these things is of vital importance? Because that decides the context or purpose of the quranic text in which it has to be interpreted.

If the quran is interpreted in context of mazhab then it become irrelevant for humanity because it has no guidance for them as to how they should live their lives in this world. Then islam does not mean anything other than carrying out some useless rituals for sake of jannah in hereafter.

When we claim islam is the best way of life for mankind then we need to prove it as well by explaining it how it can be the best possible way of life.

Life is not about ritualism but livelihood or about food, clothes, shelter etc etc etc. If God does not guide us about these things then we do not need any guidance, do we? Then we will also be wrong in claiming islam is the best possible way of life there is when in actual reality it is not.

The messenger of Allah created state of madinah on basis of the quran alone according to his own understanding of it. It is because without having ability to manage people and resources properly it is not possible to have a good human society the quran demands or requires of human beings.

If muslims accept islam is a mazhab only or mainly then no muslim state can become like state of madinah ever. It is because to bring about a state like state of madinah requires that we become worldly wise for fulfilling needs of mankind properly not ritualistic muslims.

 

[Citizen X]

Yes, following the quran is the real answer. However the quranic text can be interpreted in various ways.

One thing is for sure is that the state of madinah is not according your murshid's the miracle of bhatinda Ghulam Ahmed Parvez absolutely twisted and ridiculous interpretation.

 

[Rocky Khurasani]

People who claim to be muslims some of them talk about creating a state on the model of state of madinah that was brought about by the final messenger of Allah.
The question is, is it possible to do that? The idea of creating a state on the model of state of madinah gives rise to many questions eg what do we really know about the state of madinah? Why was it created? How was it brought about? How was it maintained? Unless people who want to create a state based upon model of madinah state can clearly answer these like questions, there is no chance for them to bring about a state like that. The main question is, where did the model come from for the state of madinah? Is it even possible to create a state based upon model of madinah state in any muslim state?

So all those who claim to be muslims are welcome to participate in this discussion. It is because if muslims have no idea about islam as to what it actually is then how can they even think about bringing about a state based upon model of state of madinah?

 

[Lubnakhan]

The concept of riyasatve Madinah can be understood by understanding ‘ charter of Madinah’ that was used to deal with various challenges that Madinah faced at that time.
We all know there were various tribes (some one them fiercely against each other ) , and different religions.
They needed ca central strong government, abolition of hostility between Muslims and jews and fights between tribes had to be stopped, the Charter of Madinah had all the clauses to address these issues.

It was a constitution that allowed personal freedom to follow religion of choice and liberty to earn finances.

A central fund was also set up for the times of financial need.

It was simple and pragmatic.

People get scared at the idea of Riyasatbe Madinah because they think we can never be like those who accompanied Prophet (pbuh)but the charter speaks nothing about piety or personal grandeur of any person.

I think it can very much be applied and bring peace in society. It's more like a modernized social contract at a time when people knew nothing about civic sense.
ریاست مدینہ کے تصور کو ’’میثاق مدینہ‘‘ کو سمجھ کر سمجھا جا سکتا ہے جو اس وقت مدینہ کو درپیش مختلف چیلنجوں سے نمٹنے کے لیے استعمال کیا جاتا تھا۔
ہم سب جانتے ہیں کہ مختلف قبیلے تھے (کچھ ایک دوسرے کے خلاف سختی سے)، اور مختلف مذاہب۔
انہیں ایک مرکزی مضبوط حکومت کی ضرورت تھی، مسلمانوں اور jews کے درمیان دشمنی کو ختم کرنا تھا، اور قبائل کے درمیان لڑائیوں کو روکنا تھا، مدینہ کے چارٹر میں ان مسائل کے حل کے لیے تمام شقیں موجود تھیں۔ یہ ایک آئین تھا جس نے ذاتی آزادی کو پسند کے مذہب کی پیروی کرنے اور مالیات کمانے کی آزادی کی اجازت دی۔ مالی ضرورت کے وقت ایک مرکزی فنڈ بھی قائم کیا گیا۔
یہ سادہ اور عملی تھا۔
لوگ ریاضت مدینہ کے خیال سے خوفزدہ ہو جاتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ سمجھتے ہیں کہ ہم ان لوگوں کی طرح کبھی نہیں ہو سکتے جنہوں نے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کا ساتھ دیا لیکن چارٹر کسی بھی شخص کے تقویٰ یا ذاتی عظمت کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں بولتا۔ میرے خیال میں اس کا بہت زیادہ اطلاق ہو سکتا ہے اور معاشرے میں امن لایا جا سکتا ہے۔ یہ ایک ایسے وقت میں ایک جدید سماجی معاہدے کی طرح ہے جب لوگ شہری احساس کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں جانتے تھے۔

 

[sohnidhartie]

Riasat E Madina,
https://www.al-islam.org/imam-ali-a...adi-reyshahri/chapter-five-political-policies

 

[OneManArmy]

People who claim to be muslims some of them talk about creating a state on the model of state of madinah that was brought about by the final messenger of Allah.
The question is, is it possible to do that? The idea of creating a state on the model of state of madinah gives rise to many questions eg what do we really know about the state of madinah? Why was it created? How was it brought about? How was it maintained? Unless people who want to create a state based upon model of madinah state can clearly answer these like questions, there is no chance for them to bring about a state like that. The main question is, where did the model come from for the state of madinah? Is it even possible to create a state based upon model of madinah state in any muslim state?

So all those who claim to be muslims are welcome to participate in this discussion. It is because if muslims have no idea about islam as to what it actually is then how can they even think about bringing about a state based upon model of state of madinah?

Its quite naive to think that you will come up with a state comparable to Madinah only by naming it.
Is the home work already done ?

 

[Mughal1]

Its quite naive to think that you will come up with a state comparable to Madinah only by naming it.
Is the home work already done ?

Good question. This is the real question all of us should raise and work on its answer till we have it. Raising question is important so that we look for answer.

 

[OneManArmy]

Good question. This is the real question all of us should raise and work on its answer till we have it. Raising question is important so that we look for answer.

Question is fine. What is the answer ?

 

[Mughal1]

Question is fine. What is the answer ?

The answer is in the quranic text. Which we need to try our best to decode if we wish to bring about a state based upon the model of madinah state. It is not possible to create such a state without the proper understanding of the quranic text. The quran contains program, goals and guidelines for the constitution and laws for such a state.

 

[JusticeLover]

Not possible but what is possible , is to create a JUST state based on people welfare which would obviously not be dictated by religious leader or sects..

 

[OneManArmy]

The answer is in the quranic text. Which we need to try our best to decode if we wish to bring about a state based upon the model of madinah state. It is not possible to create such a state without the proper understanding of the quranic text. The quran contains program, goals and guidelines for the constitution and laws for such a state.

Okay, got it. It also means that this was a hollow Slogan ? Is that right or not ?