Shahid Nama - 25th August 2011- Zaid Hamid Vs Marvi Sarmad - "Did the 'Two Nation Theory' become irr

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Astaghfirullah, I cant't believe SAFMA can go to that extent, her RAW agent Marvi should go to India and serve hindus. Allama Iqbal aur do qaumi nazariye ki beizzati ki hai iss ne. Jhooti fraud aurat. mein yahan Allama Iqbal ke 100 shair post kar sakta hon jo two nation theory ke uper hain. Ya Allah In mulk dushman Anasir ko tabah aur barbad farma.
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Humara sub kuch Mazhab hai. so hum hindus ke bhai kaise huwe, woh kafir hain..... Iqbal siad

2.GIF
 

pk_mohib

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Shahid Nama with Dr Shahid Masood - 25th August 2011 - Zaid Hamid Vs Marvi Sarmad



watch 09:48...very true answer by sir zaid hamid
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Marvi Sirmed takes apart Zaid Hamid and his hypocrisy in Shahid Nama

Zaid Hamid is a right wing version of urban pseudo-liberal proxies such as Ejaz Haider, Cyril Almeida and Mosharaf Zaidi




Marvi boldly confronts Zaid Hamid and his double standards and lies on the genocide of the Baloch, Hazara, Turis and the mistreatment of Hindus in Pakistan on Shahid Nama (talk show by Dr. Shahid Masood, 25 August 2011, Express News TV).


Zaid Hamid brought with him print-outs of Marvi’s writings. His “evidence” that she is a RAW agent was her letter to editor in which she had written that the spy agency that attacked her house had given the reason that “I look and sound like enemy”.


Apparently, Zaid Hamid was too much pained to hear “Laal Topi waala maskhara” for him, a term coined by Nusrat Javeed.


Also, Zaid Hamid called Baloch activists as traitors and Indian agents. Those who call Marvi fake civil society may wish to watch what was her reply.

Perhaps more than Marvi who is already much respected for her political liberal stance, critical readers are watching opportunist urban “liberals” such as Ejaz Haider’s and Cyril Almeida’s lies on Balochistan and Tammy Haq and Mosharraf Zaidi’s convenient silence on the Baloch, Tooris and Hazara genocide by the ISI-TTP-SSP mafia).


Recently Cyril Almeida shamelessly justified notable Baloch scholar Professor Dashtiyari’s murder in his column on Balochistan by blaming him for his support to violent Baloch nationalist groups. This is what Mr. Almeida wrote:

When asked about the allegations that Dashtiyari had been killed by the intelligence agencies, a senior security official responded defiantly, “Who owned his death? BLA did. They put out statements eulogising him. Who was he close to? What were his politics?”

Multiple sources confirmed to Dawn that Dashtiyari, while never having taken up arms himself, was close to insurgent groups and at various times had exhorted violence against the state and other ethnicities living in Balochistan.

Similarly, Ejaz Haider recently wrote a post in Express Tribune By in which he tried to prove Iran and Hazaras as the main culprits who have provoked Lashkar-e-Jhangvi for violence against Shia Hazaras. According to Farrukhzad Ali:

Ejaz Haider absolved the Pakistani state, especially the ISI, of any culpability. By doing so, he insidiously aroused the sentiments of the common Pakistanis against the Shias of Quetta, and sedating their consciences with the allegations of treason and violence against the latter.

In Shahid Nama today, Marvi asked Zaid Hamid tough questions about his unconditional support to military and the ISI despite their failure several times.


Zaid was up to his usual tactics to defend army generals. He claimed that Pak Army committed no atrocities on Bengalis in 1971 and that everything currently happening in Balochistan and FATA was a handiwork of CIA and RAW.


Frustrated by Zaid Hamid’s failure to confront Marvi’s arguments, his followers have started a vicious campaign against her on googlegroups and various Pakistani websites.


Marvi Sirmed asked five questions on Twitter:

Q#1: If Zaid Hamid draws my attention to Kashmir, but I want justice for my Baloch brothers & sisters, is it crime?

Q#2: If my people are being killed under stupid security paradigm and I seek peace with India for South Asia’s prosperity, is it crime?

Q#3: If I question the rhetoric of “Roohaani asaas” and “nazariyaati asaas” to get more real and work for Pakistan’s progress, is it crime?

Q#4: If I say that an absurd two-nations theory is no more relevant to the ground realities of Pakistan, is it a crime?

Q#5: If I say Iqbal wrote a letter to Times denying that he did any idea of Pakistan (reference available). Is it my hatred for Iqbal?

The names that were erased by Dr. Shahid Masood: Mehr Bokhari, Nusrat Javeed, Imtiaz Alam and Hazara Shias (in the order of appearance)


While opportunist urban “liberals” who are known for their opportunism and selective morality are left with little choice but to appreciate what Marvi did to Zaid Hamid today which they could not imagine in their wildest dreams, it is high time that Ejaz Haiders and Cyril Almeidas must apologize to the Baloch nation and Hazara nation for the lies they have written to misrepresent their sufferings.


Similarly, the Ayesha Tammy Haqs and Mosharraf Zaidis need to reflect on their silence and/or token gestures at best on these issues. In their specific case, they are too beholden to compromised institutions (Chaudhary and his Supremes) and dishonest narratives (NATO in Afghanistan is responsible for extremism). Their support for such intellectually and morally bankrupt institutions and narratives actually places them on the wrong side of the issue of the genocide of the Baloch, Hazaras and Turis. Opportunists such as these would like to jump on the bandwagon blazed by Marvi but such is the power of honesty that we suspect that they will not be able to continue justifying their warped views on these issues for too long.


Towards the end of the show, Marvi did not spare Zaid Hamid when he referred to Zia’s subjective moralist “insertions” in the Constitution to create an Iranian-style theocracy in Pakistan. These insertions which were also used by the Supreme Court to strike down the NRO are eerily similar to the workings of the Guardian Council that uses its own highly subjective criteria to strike down electoral candidates. In boldly countering this insidious anti-democracy ploy by propagandists like Zaid Hamid, Marvi has shown the way to the urban elite youths. This section of the population has been brainwashed by three and half decades of a continuing Zia legacy and now finds comfort in similar propaganda by the more refined Zaid Hamid version, Imran Khan.


After her stunningly courageous stand, Marvi is already being attacked on Pro-Zaid Hamid google-groups and forums. We urge all LUBP readers to support her for her remarkable presentation on Shahid Nama.

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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Marvi Sirmed says: August 25, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Thank you very much for putting it here LUBP. I’m overwhelmed by the support people of Pakistan have shown for me on social networks. It gives me hope for a progressive, forward-looking, peaceful, peace-loving and internationally respected Pakistan.


I understand that the word I used for my dream Pakistan – secular – has been portrayed as an abusive one, and that’s one reason why I’m receiving so many abusive and threatening messages. My only message to these people is, be whatever you want to. A secular Pakistan is not going to influence your personal religiosity. You are allowed to be religious fanatic in your own personal life, unless it does not affect society and country. We are not going to give up the cause Shaheed Salmaan Taseer gave of his life for – equal rights for all citizens in Pakistan and religious tolerance (which is actually foremost teaching of all the religions).


Thirdly, let me register my reservations here about some of the comments made on some personalities. We might differ from their ideas, we should do it in democratic and graceful manner. Almost all of them believe in progressive values, I’m sure. We differ on details. We can keep on debating upon these difference, in civil manner. That’s a must because all of us are strong democrats and stand for democratic values.


I thank you once again for being brave enough to put up this post, while many other sites have started vicious propaganda against me including hurling death threats. Your support means a lot. All strength to you, all of you at LUBP / Critical PPP.


Please bear with me on some basic rules where I differ with you! Bless you all.
 

swisspak

Siasat.pk - Blogger
To me its obvious, Shahid nama is upto a dangerous agenda in the hiding. What the hell is he searching for in the "Two Nation Theory"!
These are two extremes, Extreme Left and Extreme Right. The patriotic Pakistanis should be neutralised here, we cant afford a new front in these critical times!!!
 

swisspak

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Iqbal was an intellectual, he was the one who wrote (Saare jahan se acha, hindustan hmara) but it was his vision which lead us to the two nation theory. The patriotic hindustani in him died eventually and he realised that we are two different nation. Time has proved that his vision was perfectly judged. india after 60 years still is not one nation, a north indian has nothing in common with a south indian. They dont have a unified language! They dont look alike! They dont eat alike! They dont share a common religion! They are so diverse hence they might be the biggest democracy but the are no one Nation!
We Pakistanis are proud of our identity and we thank our Quaid and the vision of Iqbal.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
QUOTE=M Ali Khan;498556]Marvi Sirmed takes apart Zaid Hamid and his hypocrisy in Shahid Nama


http://criticalppp.com/archives/56222[/QUOTE]

I am not Pro Zaid Hamid...I am pro-Pakistan and Pro-Islam. If You attack my country's ideology and say "khurafat" to Quranic versus, you are no friend of mine...

You can say you will make Pakistan Secular all you want but 5 million people died for an Islamic state...Allah will never let their sacrifice go to waste...spread your propaganda all you want...do ur best..i challenge you, you will never ever win..the youth of Pakistan is waking up...your end is near...I just hope Allah guides you to the truth before that happens...
 
Iqbal was an intellectual, he was the one who wrote (Saare jahan se acha, hindustan hmara) but it was his vision which lead us to the two nation theory. The patriotic hindustani in him died eventually and he realised that we are two different nation. Time has proved that his vision was perfectly judged. india after 60 years still is not one nation, a north indian has nothing in common with a south indian. They dont have a unified language! They dont look alike! They dont eat alike! They dont share a common religion! They are so diverse hence they might be the biggest democracy but the are no one Nation!
We Pakistanis are proud of our identity and we thank our Quaid and the vision of Iqbal.

India after 60 years is more united .We dont need a single language to unite.we dont need same food habits,same relgion.India is land of diveristy and its unity in diversity which makes us one!

The very much concept of fake unity of pakistan justified by religion cost you bangladesh;using same law of same religion;all provinces of pakistan are drifting away from each other!

Remember that love,affection and humanity are the biggest unifying factor in world...Moreover india is united by its constitution,judiciary,mixture of traditions,language,religion,cultures and 2 major party political system (bjp,congress) being present in every state;
 

yesmoon4u

Voter (50+ posts)
Dr shahid masood just trying to to increase the flame tell me kia india main koi muslim is tarhan media par baith kar indian army and angency k against bat kar sakta hay just think abt it but pakistan main ye sub kuch ho raha hay amazing.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Shahid Nama with Dr Shahid Masood - 25th August 2011 - Zaid Hamid Vs Marvi Sarmad

Check this out...It was reported by Indian media where Rahul Gandhi believes that the growth of hindu extremists is the biggest danger to India...Is Rahul an ISI agent now as well..LOL...:lol:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/w...s-bigger-threat-than-muslim-militants/726009/

Marvi, if you and your safma buddies get some free time from trying to destroy pakistan's ideology, maybe you can look into why Tahul believes that...or is your policy to focus on Islamic extremists only?
 

mrcritic

Minister (2k+ posts)
WHAT A Sl*t this bit**** was - rejecting 2 nation theory?! she should migrate to india for that matter! WE DONOT WANT THIS KIND OF EXTREMIST LIBERALISM! Without a doubt she is backing RAW ideology.

IF YOU ALL note the timing of this 2 nation theory conversation at this stage of time when Pakistan is in a critical situation, one should have no doubt all these liberal @$$oles agendas!
 

sabbar ali

Citizen
true representative of STAr plus cultural campaign this lady is. now i came to know why Nawaz Sharif ny bakwas ki is paltform sy... Kashmir pakistan ka hissa nahi hai?? she is denying Quranic verse k yahood aur nusara sy dosti sy nahi ho skti. jo jo arabic words bol rahy tha Zaid hamid she says band karyn yeh khurafat?? what the hell?? Two nation theory was presented by Sir syed Ahmed Khan aur yeh kehti hai k M.A. jinnah ki death k bad two nation theory start hoi.. Pakistan secular??? Assia bibi. woi hai na jis ny Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.) ki shan mein gustakhi ki thi.. why u guys support her then?? did u not listen to this crap she said.
 

sabbar ali

Citizen
Re: Shahid Nama with Dr Shahid Masood - 25th August 2011 - Zaid Hamid Vs Marvi Sarmad

need one qadri more

yeh qadri needed for this lady "bindi wali hindu"... and for the supporters of mumtaz qadri she mentioned the name of Aasia bibi due to whom Salman Taseer was murdered now bring one more qadri to finish this lady as she says Pakistan is a secular country and Aasia bibi is still in jail.. Kahan gayi ghairat e emani jis ny salman taseer ka qatal kiya tha?? hypocrite zaid hamid nahi 18 cror awam hai... Quarni ayat parh rha hai zaid hamid aur yeh lady "khurafat" keh rahi hai k band karyn yeh Khurafat Ma'az Allah... Karo qatal is lady ka b.. uthy ga koi?? Pakistan k khilaf boli hai yeh.. 2 nation theory k khilaf boli hai... Aasia bibi k haq mein boli hai.. Jahad e kashmir ko rond dala hai is ny.. Kashmir agar hamara hisa nahi hai tu 18 crore logo Chor do kashmir cause.
 

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