SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

[babadeena]

The Concept of Khudii or the 'higher Self' is synonymous with Allama Mohammed Iqbal, who was perhaps the greatest philosopher-poet of the modern era, his stature and visionary outlook being perceived to be head and shoulders above the times that he and his contemporaries lived in. In fact, the greatest tribute to his stature among poets is that even to this day, poets , academicians, researchers and scholars of urdu, farsi & Arabic poetry and philosophy the world over simply cannot but approach his works except with the deepest sense of awe and admiration at the depth of his thoughts. Allama Iqbal has always been very close to my heart because of his philosophical explanation of Khudii and Sufism, but no man on this earth is greater than our beloved Prophet Muhammed - SAWS).

I think in his life time, the MOULVI, granted him the laqab(title) of Kafar? Perhaps someone will also
shed light on this aspect also. This is in, perhaps, Muslims' blood stream that "while Living, we throw
stones of hate on people, when they are dead, we worship them".

 

[babadeena]

Then why are you separate najdis and why dont you follow the four mazhabs. Aulia Allah didnt preach any separate fiqah or sharia from the four schools. This is about the Aulia Allah who followed four mazhabs. Good you r showing your hate for Aulia Allah and four mazhabs. You also attacked the way of namaz of Hanfis in one of your previous post. Do you want me to show you. Your Tousif Rahman and Zubair and other najdis also attack the four mazhabs. Do you want me to show their videos.

You are a najdi follower who is filled with hate for 1 billion Muslims which include the four mazhabs of Sunni and you also hate Shias. You r full of hate.

FOUR MAZHABS OF SUNNIS AND SHIAISM WAS CREATED THE FIRST YEAR OF RULE OF ABOOBAKR(Rzt). He and
Umar(rzt) used to decide the things according to FOUR MAZHABS. FIRST THREE KHALIFAS USED TO GO TO
AULIA ALLAH'S GRAVES AT THAT TIME AND INVOKE THEM.


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OH Mushrooko! you will be gathered to Hell Fire.

 

[sngilani]

I think in his life time, the MOULVI, granted him the laqab(title) of Kafar? Perhaps someone will also
shed light on this aspect also. This is in, perhaps, Muslims' blood stream that "while Living, we throw
stones of hate on people, when they are dead, we worship them".

Al-Hallaj (Husain al-Mansur) taught the replacement of the humanity with the divine and he identified himself with God. He also taught you can go on the Hajj pilgrimage simply in spirit. In 922 A.D. he was flogged, publicly mutilated, hung on a giblet, beheaded, and then his body burnt. The orthodox Muslims were apparently displeased with him

 

[Cheeko]

FOUR MAZHABS OF SUNNIS AND SHIAISM WAS CREATED THE FIRST YEAR OF RULE OF ABOOBAKR(Rzt). He and
Umar(rzt) used to decide the things according to FOUR MAZHABS. FIRST THREE KHALIFAS USED TO GO TO
AULIA ALLAH'S GRAVES AT THAT TIME AND INVOKE THEM.


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OH Mushrooko! you will be gathered to Hell Fire.

You are funny and telling jokings. Is there in the Quran which tells that eel is haram or halal. Can you tell me self made Muslim.

It is in Hadees about the Sahabas r.a about intercession and about Khalifas I already told that first and fourth khalifas were Aulia Allah themselvs.

 

[Cheeko]

I think in his life time, the MOULVI, granted him the laqab(title) of Kafar? Perhaps someone will also
shed light on this aspect also. This is in, perhaps, Muslims' blood stream that "while Living, we throw
stones of hate on people, when they are dead, we worship them".

Those who told him kafir you r with them today. Ask your friend for detail.

 

[babadeena]

You are funny and telling jokings. Is there in the Quran which tells that eel is haram or halal. Can you tell me self made Muslim.

I suppose EEl was also available in the first two months of rule of Abu Bakar(rzt), if that was halal or Harram,
so it was, but WERE FOUR MAZHABAS THERE AT HIS TIME, THAT IS QUESTION?

 

[babadeena]

It is in Hadees about the Sahabas r.a about intercession and about Khalifas I already told that first and fourth khalifas were Aulia Allah themselvs.[/QUOTE]

YOUR WASILLAH BALLON HAS BEEN BURSTED, YOU RAN FROM THERE. ONE OF YOUR FAVOURED
MUNAFQEEN RELATED VERSE, WHICH YOU CLAIM FOR INTERCESSION, IS WAITING FOR YOU.


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Mushriks are in hell fire. No doubt.

 

[sngilani]

I think in his life time, the MOULVI, granted him the laqab(title) of Kafar? Perhaps someone will also
shed light on this aspect also. This is in, perhaps, Muslims' blood stream that "while Living, we throw
stones of hate on people, when they are dead, we worship them".

Iqbal says:


خود گیری و خودداری و گلبانگ اناالحق
آزاد ہو سالک تو ہیں یہ اس کے مقامات
محکوم ہو سالک تو یہی اس کا ہمہ اوست
خود مردہ و خود مرقد و خود مرگ مفاجات

“If a devotee is free, his spiritual stations are self-restraint, self-respect and a shout of joy that “I am the creative truth”. But if he is subjugated and enslaved, his pantheism shows that he is dead, he himself is a grave, and also a sudden death.”

 

[Cheeko]

I suppose EEl was also available in the first two months of rule of Abu Bakar(rzt), if that was halal or Harram,
so it was, but WERE FOUR MAZHABAS THERE AT HIS TIME, THAT IS QUESTION?

Thats why I told you that you know only what your brain allows. Eel was known to Muslims after the first four Khalifa and so it was a fiqahi issue whether it halal or haram. Similarly many issues were new and there was no clear explanation in Quran and Hadees and so fiqahs came into existence to decide these issues. The governmnt had responsibility to solve these problems but they were busy conquering each other and had no time for Islamic issues.

 

[sngilani]

Iqbal says:

کچھ اور چیز ہے شاید تیری مسلمانی
تیری نگاہ میں ہے ایک فقر و رہبانی
سکوں پرستی راہب سے فقر ہے بیزار
فقیر کا ہے سفینہ ہمیشہ طوفانی

“Your Islam is something else, because in your view Faqr and monasticism are the same things. (The fact is) that Faqr is disgusted with monasticism’s love for peace and tranqui­lity. Faqir’s ship is always in the storms and commotion.”

 

[sngilani]

Iqbal says:


نکل کر خانقاہوں سے ادا کر رسم شبیری
کہ فقر خانقاہی ہے، فقط اندوہ و دلگیری
ترے دین و ادب سے آرہی ہے بوئے رہبانی
یہی ہے مرنے والی امتوں کا عالم پیری

“Come out of the monasteries and follow the example of Shabbir (Martyrdom); for the monastic life is just grief and affliction. Your religion and morality show signs of monasticism. This is the state of decay which is the symptom of every dying nation”

 

[Cheeko]

It is in Hadees about the Sahabas r.a about intercession and about Khalifas I already told that first and fourth khalifas were Aulia Allah themselvs.[/QUOTE]

YOUR WASILLAH BALLON HAS BEEN BURSTED, YOU RAN FROM THERE. ONE OF YOUR FAVOURED
MUNAFQEEN RELATED VERSE, WHICH YOU CLAIM FOR INTERCESSION, IS WAITING FOR YOU.


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Mushriks are in hell fire. No doubt.

It will take one post for explanation and tell that you r interprting wrong way but I wont answer because you first tell the detail of namaz in Quran. If you are not telling then I am also not answering. You are reading some strange namaz which cannot be found in Quran.

 

[babadeena]

Thats why I told you that you know only what your brain allows. Eel was known to Muslims after the first four Khalifa and so it was a fiqahi issue whether it halal or haram. [/QUOTE]

If Allah (SWT) has laid down criteria of Halal and Harram in Quran, and when there are so many Halal things available to eat
what is need to make lust to eat eel or to declare if she is halal or harram. Allah(SW) in Surah Maihda clearly closes the door
for this matter, if you have beeseerat to see those verses. The Problem is that you have time to promote the ideology
of dead and grave parasti instead of reading those verses.. OK if Allah says that "Oh ye believe eat Tayyab and Halal", you do not need to an atomic
scientist to understand this. and When Allah says that in case of "Helplessness (Majboori) you can even eat Pork", so
from where the eel came into. So Four Mazhabs were at the time of Aboobakar Yes or No.

 

[sngilani]

Iqbal says:


رمز و ایما اس زمانے کے لیے موزوں نہیں
اور آتا بھی نہیں مجھ کو سخن سازی کا فن
'قم باذن اللہ' کہہ سکتے تھے جو رخصت ہوئے
خانقاہوں میں مجاور رہ گئے یا گورگن

“Allusive and suggestive expression is not suitable for this age, and I do not know the art of eloquence. Those who could say, “Stand up with God’s permission” have gone. Living in the monasteries now are only the attendants or the grave-’ diggers.”

 

[sngilani]

Iqbal says :

فتنہ ملت بیضا ہے امامت اس کی
جو مسلماں کو سلاطیں کا پرستار کرے

“The leadership which persuades Muslims to obey the (sultan) is a mischief and sedition in the Muslim community.”

For Iqbal sufism is an activity and a “source of inspiration; but the unworthy occupants of spiritual seats have destroyed its image and spoiled its usefulness.

 

[babadeena]

THERE WERE LOT OF SUFIS AND SUFI MUSIC IN THE FIRST YEAR OF ABOOBAKR (rzt), People in
Madina used to gather around during night, Sui-Music used to play the mystic and inspiring music.
People used to listen them till dawn and after Dawn prayer they used to go bed. ISnt, CHEEKO???

 

[babadeena]

فتنہ ملت بیضا ہے امامت اس کی
جو مسلماں کو سلاطیں کا پرستار کرے
“The leadership which persuades Muslims to obey the (sultan) is a mischief and sedition in the Muslim community.”

I presume the translation is wrong. the correct word may be "worship" instead of "Obey"

 

[babadeena]

رمز و ایما اس زمانے کے لیے موزوں نہیں
اور آتا بھی نہیں مجھ کو سخن سازی کا فن
'قم باذن اللہ' کہہ سکتے تھے جو رخصت ہوئے
خانقاہوں میں مجاور رہ گئے یا گورگن

Very well said. But also write something like "YA WOH JAGA BAATA DAHY JEHAN PER KUHDA NAHEE"""".

 

[Cheeko]

Thats why I told you that you know only what your brain allows. Eel was known to Muslims after the first four Khalifa and so it was a fiqahi issue whether it halal or haram. [/QUOTE]

If Allah (SWT) has laid down criteria of Halal and Harram in Quran, and when there are so many Halal things available to eat
what is need to make lust to eat eel or to declare if she is halal or harram. Allah(SW) in Surah Maihda clearly closes the door
for this matter, if you have beeseerat to see those verses. The Problem is that you have time to promote the ideology
of dead and grave parasti instead of reading those verses.. OK if Allah says that "Oh ye believe eat Tayyab and Halal", you do not need to an atomic
scientist to understand this. and When Allah says that in case of "Helplessness (Majboori) you can even eat Pork", so
from where the eel came into. So Four Mazhabs were at the time of Aboobakar Yes or No.

No that Ayat is not enough to tell whether eel is halal or haram. When people who used to eat eel became Muslims and so they had to know if they r eating halal or haram. It was not new food for the new converts after Khalifas. You have limitd knowledge then why unnecessary arguments. The goverment didnt take responsibilty and it was Imams who took the bold step.

 

[babadeena]

No that Ayat is not enough to tell whether eel is halal or haram. When people who used to eat eel became Muslims and so they had to know if they r eating halal or haram. It was not new food for the new converts after Khalifas. You have limitd knowledge then why unnecessary arguments. The goverment didnt take responsibilty and it was Imams who took the bold step.

Quran really is blindness for certain type of people. What should I say more.?