SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

[zeeekay]

Oh.. I m fortunate to find u people discussing abt sufiism... I just came to know about number of silsilaas.. Like Qadriya , chistya or azeemi... These are being followed even today in various countries... . I can't decide, is it alright or not...Please check the website...
http://www.azeemiasilsila.org/

 

[atensari]

Is listening Abida Parveen allowed in Islam?

 

[Cheeko]

My brother, donot be deceieved by the propaganda. Think for yourself, May Allah guide us all (Ameen)

This is not propoganda. This is realty and you have no answer again. May Allah guide us Ameen.

 

[basim973]

I just asked what it is. Why are you so upset?


Yes, prevailing form of Democracy which gave humans ultimate right to decide "Haram or Halal" is Shirk according to Quran only Allah has this right. Majority even 100% vote can not revoke Allah’s order. Human can only decide within limits drawn by Allah (Hadood Ullah).

Translation of opening verse: Tahir keep us in your protection

Thank for translating the openning verse of the qawali. I know punjabi but i didn't really pay attention to the wordings. May Allah protect us all.

To my other dear brothers, imagine a person (say X) calling a man his father infornt of his real father, think of the anger in the real father. Similarly for mother. Now think of people who know about the real father and what these people will think of X and curse on X.

My brothers in Islam, for Allah's sake read Quran and Sunnah of Holy Prophet (pbuh) and donot fall into the propaganda of wahabi, ahle-hadees etc.

 

[Cheeko]

Lakum denakum wali yadeen.
I pray to Allah (SWT) to guide us all to the true been (Ameen)

You tell this when you have no answer but you were so clearly before telling me biddati. May Allah guide us Ameen.

 

[basim973]

Oh.. I m fortunate to find u people discussing abt sufiism... I just came to know about number of silsilaas.. Like Qadriya , chistya or azeemi... These are being followed even today in various countries... . I can't decide, is it alright or not...Please check the website...
http://www.azeemiasilsila.org/

To which silsila Hazrat Abu Bakar belong to and all the sahabs belonged to? That silsila is right join that.

 

[basim973]

Is listening Abida Parveen allowed in Islam?

learn the principle and judge for yourself.

 

[Mughal1]

Dear zeekay, salaam and welcome to the forum.

Silsilas are not necessary but if they are helpful towards proper understanding of the quran and the hadith and to achieve their objectives then why not. Many people are in to these things for money to try and fool public at large so one has to hav esome knowledge of things so that one is not made fool of.

So if you know enough then I guess you are safe.

good luck and all the best.

 

[Cheeko]

I just asked what it is. Why are you so upset?


Yes, prevailing form of Democracy which gave humans ultimate right to decide "Haram or Halal" is Shirk according to Quran only Allah has this right. Majority even 100% vote can not revoke Allah’s order. Human can only decide within limits drawn by Allah (Hadood Ullah).

Translation of opening verse: Tahir keep us in your protection

I no upset. I just telling your true face to readers. By telling democracy you told that all Muslims who vote are practising shirk. I tell then next time dont tell that there are 1.5 billion Muslims but tell that only few million are muslims. Dont lie next time.

Democracy doesnt mean shirk. In Pakistan it is sovereignty of Allah and so where people get sovereignty. You are wrong. In Pakistan no rule can be made against sharia.

Translation of only first line that you tell is no shirk. They are telling that their sheikh keeps them in protection. A sheikh keep in protection by telling right and Islamic rules. They can go to wrong path because they are not sheikh and dont know full Islam but their sheikh tell them right thing about Allah and Islam.

If somebody tell that army keeps protection from India then is it shirk. It is clear that after Allah it is army that give protection.

I can easily understand but because you hate every one so you tell every thing shirk. I am laughing at your jokings.

 

[Faiza]

Is this Music and Poetry allowed in Islam?

What is going on here. Astaghfirullah

 

[Cheeko]

Dear zeekay, salaam and welcome to the forum.

Silsilas are not necessary but if they are helpful towards proper understanding of the quran and the hadith and to achieve their objectives then why not. Many people are in to these things for money to try and fool public at large so one has to hav esome knowledge of things so that one is not made fool of.

So if you know enough then I guess you are safe.

good luck and all the best.

Good reply I like. They have no answer and now they trying to tell oh this silsila and join that silsila like Basim. This tells clearly they have no answer and now trying like USA and Israel do to divide. This is their mental being like zionists. They have lost it. I am laughing happyily.

 

[Mughal1]

To my other dear brothers, imagine a person (say X) calling a man his father infornt of his real father, think of the anger in the real father. Similarly for mother. Now think of people who know about the real father and what these people will think of X and curse on X.

My brothers in Islam, for Allah's sake read Quran and Sunnah of Holy Prophet (pbuh) and donot fall into the propaganda of wahabi, ahle-hadees etc.

I have read the quran and that is not how the quran defines shirk dear brother. You father will not get upset if you called your chachu chachu and your brother brother, will he? If he still does then your family is full of problems.

Please bring an example that describes your point of view. No muslims calls on any other person as his allah or god. This is where you are distorting and attributing to others what they do not say or do. They call on their peers as peers not gods.

Aqeedah is not amal and you are mixing it with amal. Beliefs are matter of faith not actions. Can I call you something that you do not believe to be just because you did something? You are divorcing actions from their base ie beliefs and also from intention which set the purpose or motive.

Just because you speak I cannot define you a parrot just because parrot also can speak. Just because others thing eat I cannot call you by theoir names just because you are doing the same thing. Can you see the absurdity of your argument? Similarity in actions is not guranty of similarity in being not in motivation or sense of purpose.

Therefore I hope my dear brother in future you will be so careless to follow silly distortions as islam.

Islam is very simple allah is only one god. Whoever believes that is a muslim no matter whatevr he does or does not do. Kufar is rejection of islamic belief not not doing what one is obliged to do.

Please correct your understanding of proper islamic concepts or you will become confused and confuse others and result will be infighrting.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

Is listening Abida Parveen allowed in Islam?

If she talks sense fine if not switch off. Do some thing better instead dear atensari.

 

[Mughal1]

To which silsila Hazrat Abu Bakar belong to and all the sahabs belonged to? That silsila is right join that.

They all belonged to silila muhammadia because he was their teacher. So long as peeri mureedi is about learning islam properly it is fine otherwise it is a fraud.

 

[basim973]

I have read the quran and that is not how the quran defines shirk dear brother. You father will not get upset if you called your chachu chachu and your brother brother, will he? If he still does then your family is full of problems.

Please bring an example that describes your point of view. No muslims calls on any other person as his allah or god. This is where you are distorting and attributing to others what they do not say or do. They call on their peers as peers not gods.

Aqeedah is not amal and you are mixing it with amal. Beliefs are matter of faith not actions. Can I call you something that you do not believe to be just because you did something? You are divorcing actions from their base ie beliefs and also from intention which set the purpose or motive.

Just because you speak I cannot define you a parrot just because parrot also can speak. Just because others thing eat I cannot call you by theoir names just because you are doing the same thing. Can you see the absurdity of your argument? Similarity in actions is not guranty of similarity in being not in motivation or sense of purpose.

Therefore I hope my dear brother in future you will be so careless to follow silly distortions as islam.

Islam is very simple allah is only one god. Whoever believes that is a muslim no matter whatevr he does or does not do. Kufar is rejection of islamic belief not not doing what one is obliged to do.

Please correct your understanding of proper islamic concepts or you will become confused and confuse others and result will be infighrting.

regards and all the best.

My father though no longer in this word

This is an example, to make pppl think the seriousness of the matter and not to blame any1 of any thing. Brother you sound very sensible but correcting ppl where they are wrong is faraz on each and every muslim. Yes we must have husney zan but when there are clear indications of wrong doing then we must say it shouldn't we.
Listening to Abida Parveen, your answer is very confusing, prove from islam that listening to a na-mehram woman singing with music and wordings of the songs are clearly wrong etc.

According to a Hadith, after a man dies other than three things every thing for him is finished. Those three things are :(i) the sadqa jariah, (ii) good teaching to ppl from which they are benefiting and (iii) the noble and practcing olad.
Whatever you do good is bringing ajar to your father whether you do an intension or not. Please, donot get the knowledge of islam from the ppl who make the islam. Get the islam from the ppl who convey the message of Quran and Hadith.

May Allah guide us all and May Allah make you a good source of ajar for your parents (Ameen)

 

[basim973]

They all belonged to silila muhammadia because he was their teacher. So long as peeri mureedi is about learning islam properly it is fine otherwise it is a fraud.

Who does not know that peeri mureedi is not about learning islam?

 

[Cheeko]

This is an example, to make pppl think the seriousness of the matter and not to blame any1 of any thing. Brother you sound very sensible but correcting ppl where they are wrong is faraz on each and every muslim. Yes we must have husney zan but when there are clear indications of wrong doing then we must say it shouldn't we.
Listening to Abida Parveen, your answer is very confusing, prove from islam that listening to a na-mehram woman singing with music and wordings of the songs are clearly wrong etc.

According to a Hadith, after a man dies other than three things every thing for him is finished. Those three things are :(i) the sadqa jariah, (ii) good teaching to ppl from which they are benefiting and (iii) the noble and practcing olad.
Whatever you do good is bringing ajar to your father whether you do an intension or not. Please, donot get the knowledge of islam from the ppl who make the islam. Get the islam from the ppl who convey the message of Quran and Hadith.

May Allah guide us all and May Allah make you a good source of ajar for your parents (Ameen)

You have no proper reply and just started telling oh this is wrong and that is wrong. I agree with you that wrong and bidah should be called bidah.

For Najdis tell me from Quran and Hadees about the bidats. Actually Najdis are doing bidats.

Biddat Number 1
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► offer azan of tahajud,in pakistan and saudia , Where did Aqah karim (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) or Sahabas (Ra) did this act throughout their life , And I am talking about Tahajud Azan , its a bida'h
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Biddat Number 2
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► Misyar marriage allowed by Abdul Aziz bin Baaz , where is concept of this marriage came from
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Biddat Number 3
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► The concept Allah (swt) has literal hands, leg,eye is only in a sky , etc , Where is it proved from Quran and hadiths , This aqeeda is a bidah, only ibn e taymiyah believed in this concept and was criticized by many
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Biddat Number 4
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► Saying Bismilallah befofe reading every Sura'h in Salat, where did Sahabas(Ra) read bismilAllah afer every surah
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Biddat Number 5
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► Calling Yazid Radhitallah anho(not Rah) and believing him to be a Salaf, Which clasical scholar,Sahabi (ra) called him a Salaf,Sahabi (ra) or Radhitallah anho, its a bidah too.Dr zakir naik who follows saWahabi school does it.
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Biddat Number 6
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►Reading Ghayba salat e Janaza without the dead body infront , Prophet (saw) read it for Hadrat Najashi (Ra) after that no one in history of Islam, Sahabas (ra),Salafs read Salat e Janaza like this, kindly show me proof of this act from any other source
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Biddat Number 7
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► Raising Hands in Witr Salat for reading Dua and muktadi at the back say amin amin, show mejust one proof of this bidah
http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 8
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► Raising finger constantly (again and aggain) during during attahiyyat in salah , kindly let me know which hadiths states to raise finger again and aggain during every sala'h
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Biddat Number 9
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► during salat for the dead ,imam read the salat with a loud voice and the people standing behind him say amin amin,aloudly,continuously,this ia a bidaat

http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 10
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► Following Saudia during Eids and Ramadhan occasions, Throughout history Prophet (salehlalawaalihi wasalam) ,Sahabas (Ra) and Salafs (rah) have followed local moon not a moon 5000 miles away, now show me proof for it
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Biddat Number 11
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► 8 rakat tarawih (not tahajud salah) is a biddat having no proof from any Hadith or Salaf, nor did muslims throughout history ever performed 8 rakat tarawih in ramazan, but 20 rakat , now show me which hadiths proofs it , I am asking about Tarawih not Tahajud


Biddat Number 12
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► Congregating people behind one Imam to pray Salat al Tahajjud after Salat Al Tarawih, in the two Holy Mosques and other mosques.
[ biddat practiced by islamqa lovers ]
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Biddat Number 13
► Reciting the Prayer of Completion of the Quran in Salat al Tarawih and also in Salat al Tahajjud
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Biddat Number 14
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► Designating the 27th night of Ramadan to complete reading the entire Quran in the two Holy Mosques in Saudia
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Biddat Number 15
► A caller saying, after Salat al Tarawih, in the Qiyam prayer, May Allah reward you


,Biddat Number 16
► Is it proved from any hadith that Rafayadein was done by Prophet (saw) throughout his life , not even a single sahih hadith exists but muslims perform it and have this aqeeda.Remember I am asking about proof that if was performed through his life not the act,but the beliefs
Proofs of abrogation of Rafulyadein from 40 + hadiths
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=504&CATE=2
[bidah in ahle hadith sect]
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Biddat Number 17
►During salat putting their hand on the chest,this is a biddatt,and no sahih hadith is present to prove this point,[bidah by ahle hadith muslim ]
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Biddat Number 18
►during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their ankles,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it [done by Ahle hadith muslims ]

Biddat Number 19

To offer salat without wearing a cap or covering the head has become a norm, kindly proof that offering salah without covering the head is proved from Prophet (saleh ala waalihi wasalam

Biddat Number 20

During offering salat the legs are put apart at big distances usually,which is about 3-4 hand spam, kindly show proofs of this bidat from Quran anf sahih marfu hadiths only.

Biddat Number 21

Using the word Salafi to represent a sect ,although wahabis have never said its haram but prefer to usedthe word ahle sunnah wrongly for it, kindly show proof from Sahih hadith wherre did Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) called any group as a salafi which will emerge during end of times.

Biddat Number 22

Removing parts and doing forgery in Riyad us saleheen, imam bukhari;s al adab al mufrab, calling hadiths sahih termed by classical scholars as daeef and removing chapters and pages from books of classical scholars are bidats, kindly show permission of these acts.

http://www.livingislam.org/n/slfm_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/trs_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/alb_e.html

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/al50errs.html

^^^ proofs of forgeries

Biddat Number 23

Sheikh ul islam of wahabi sect Ibn Taymiyya divided Tawheed into two parts?

namely tawh.d al-rubbiyya and tawh.d al-ulhiyya, respectively, Oneness of Lordship and Oneness ofGod.

Did the Prophet (Peace be upon him) or Sahaba divide tawhid into these parts, and did they name it?many more bidahs


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Action # 24 : Done by ghair muqalids with no proof from a single hadith,
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The issue of eating a Buffalo and drinking its milk is not proved from a single sahih hadith , Ghair muqalids do taqleed of fiqh here in this issue which is no where found in hadiths. Why do they follow Imams [rah] here ?
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Action # 25 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Raising hands during Wit'r Salah when dua e qunoot is said , This is no where proved from any hadith, Ghair muqalids follow Imam Shafi [rah] here and do his taqled against hadiths again.

Why to follow a fiqh here if its not proved from Sahih hadith or even a mawdo hadith ?

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Action # 26 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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Again in salah saying Sana'h and Tawooz silently is a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids do taqleed of Imams [rah] here,
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Action # 27: Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The action of saying Takbeer e Tahrima loudly in salah and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 28 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In salah Imam says Salam alound in the end and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 29 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The Tasbehaats of Rukho Sajda should be read silently, this again is derived from fiqhs of ahlus sunnah, Ghair muqalids [salafis] follow a fiqh here again, and interrestingly this isn't proved from a single hadith too, Why do shirk again if act is not proved from hadiths ?


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Action # 30: Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The sunnah salah is read alone not in a jammah behind imam, This act is again a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids follow a fiqh on this issue, there is no hadith regarding this issue too, Again following Imams [rah] in an act not proved from hadiths.
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Action # 31 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In Salah of fajr , magrib , Esa the muqtadi saying ameen loudly and not saying it in Zuhr salah is again not in any hadith. This is practised by ghair muqalids and they again follow fiqh on this issue
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Action # 32 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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The issue of whether a salah is valid or not if a muslim fails to read Sana'h and Tawooz in salah, this again is not present in any hadith its an issue of Fiqh. Ghair muqalids follow an Imam [rah] in this case as well inspite of the fact that its no where in any hadith.
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Action # 33 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Where should the hands be places during Two sajahs [prostrations] in a salah. This is no where proved or found in any hadith, Ghair muqalids like Muqalids of Ahlus sunnah do Taqlid of imams [rah] on this issue in salah as well.
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Action # 34 : Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The conditions of making a salah valid which ghair muqalids follow blindly is not present in a single hadith. They copied it from Hanafi fiqh and do taqlid of Hanafi fiqh on this issue even if its not in a single hadith. Why isn't this shirk for them now ?


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Action # 35 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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When Ghair muqalids make niyah/intentions of salah this is found in not a single hadith. THey follow fiqhs of ahlus sunnah again on this issue and do taqlid of Imams [rah]. No where its in any hadith why they do such an act if its not proved from hadith ? isn't it shirk as well
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Action # 36 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The arrangement in Janaza Salah practised by Ghair muqalids is against no where found in any hadith.
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Which means after first Takbeer to read
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► Sana'h
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► Taooz
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► Tasmiya
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► Fatiha than next Rakah
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After second Takbeer to read Durood e Ibrahimi
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After third Takbeer to read 12-13 Duas together , This way of offering Janaza Salah is proved from no sahih hadith . Why do ghair muqalids offer janaza salah like this ,

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Action # 37 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Not to make Dua after reading Farz Salah which is done by ghair muqalids is a new innovation of modern times, its no where proved from a single Sahih or even mawdo hadith
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Action # 38 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their elbows,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it, I am talking about Elbows not forearms


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[atensari]

I no upset. I just telling your true face to readers. By telling democracy you told that all Muslims who vote are practising shirk. I tell then next time dont tell that there are 1.5 billion Muslims but tell that only few million are muslims. Dont lie next time.

Democracy doesnt mean shirk. In Pakistan it is sovereignty of Allah and so where people get sovereignty. You are wrong. In Pakistan no rule can be made against sharia.

Translation of only first line that you tell is no shirk. They are telling that their sheikh keeps them in protection. A sheikh keep in protection by telling right and Islamic rules. They can go to wrong path because they are not sheikh and dont know full Islam but their sheikh tell them right thing about Allah and Islam.

If somebody tell that army keeps protection from India then is it shirk. It is clear that after Allah it is army that give protection.

I can easily understand but because you hate every one so you tell every thing shirk. I am laughing at your jokings.

People will vote and leader will made law according to their wish not Islam. Until rulers will not pledge and practically prove they will not make any Law against Shariah or not let any un-Islamic act happen, Democracy is Haram.

Pakistani law permits President to forgive Death Sentence, is this allowed in Islam?

Government promoting vulgarity, music, gambling, and nudity, is this sovereignty of Allah?

Is our banking/business system is according to sovereignty of Allah?

Woman have 33% representation is this according to Shariat, this is not even in America and India.

Where is Shariah in Pakistan? Music shops, dance clubs, gambling spots, wine is available who ever want. This all is happening according to law not Shariah.

By the way what is the importance of any kind of Music in Islam? How many efforts Muhammad SAW and His Companions have made for Music?

I know you must have some excuse about remaining poetry as well, What about the instruments, dancing even women in their area, any example/reference from Quran-o-Hadeeth

 

[Cheeko]

Who does not know that peeri mureedi is not about learning islam?

Can you tell name of person who converted your ancestor to Islam. Was he Najdi. I am laughing at your jokings you are funny.

 

[Cheeko]

People will vote and leader will made law according to their wish not Islam. Until rulers will not pledge and practically prove they will not make any Law against Shariah or not let any un-Islamic act happen, Democracy is Haram.

Pakistani law permits President to forgive Death Sentence, is this allowed in Islam?

Government promoting vulgarity, music, gambling, and nudity, is this sovereignty of Allah?

Is our banking/business system is according to sovereignty of Allah?

Woman have 33% representation is this according to Shariat, this is not even in America and India.

Where is Shariah in Pakistan? Music shops, dance clubs, gambling spots, wine is available who ever want. This all is happening according to law not Shariah.

By the way what is the importance of any kind of Music in Islam? How many efforts Muhammad SAW and His Companions have made for Music?

I know you must have some excuse about remaining poetry as well, What about the instruments, dancing even women in their area, any example/reference from Quran-o-Hadeeth

I know you will start mixing because you have no proper answer. If a Molvi and Imam is a gay then should I stop going to other Mosques and stand behind other Imam for prayers. If government is wrong then it dont means that democracy is wrong. Tell me few rules in Pakistan which are wrong.

In time of Hazrat Umar r.a. he told when there was qahat that the punishment for cutting hand for thief will be removed. He was right because sometimes changes can be made by relaxing punishment rules just like Hazarat Umar r.a. did.

This reason I voting for Imran Khan that next time he will give proper rules. I dont know who you want to be your leader or Khalifa and how you will choose him.

I told you that sufi music is also used or so many treatments. I also told that from Quran and Hadees that music for good purpose is allowed. How much effort do my beloved Last Messenger peace be upon him do for treatment of leprosy and TB. So if people doing something for treatment for diseases then is it haram. Is travelling on cars and aeroplane haram. Give something from Quran and Hadees.