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i thought there was only one Islam....i never heard of this Sufi Islam.......first time from u
i never heard of najidi sharia as well......would u plz elaborate on this
whether i come once in a day r 2....im following this thread n i never cursed u n never would Inshallah
but the thing i didnt like about ur post....w/o any guidance u tell ppl.....u,re a wahabi.....u don,t know the answer
it mean u want to hear something which is soothing to ur ears whether its tru or not........if thats the case then there is no end to it........
in punjabi/urdu they say.....buffalo k aggay been bajane wali baat
i never heard of najidi sharia as well......would u plz elaborate on this
whether i come once in a day r 2....im following this thread n i never cursed u n never would Inshallah
but the thing i didnt like about ur post....w/o any guidance u tell ppl.....u,re a wahabi.....u don,t know the answer
it mean u want to hear something which is soothing to ur ears whether its tru or not........if thats the case then there is no end to it........
in punjabi/urdu they say.....buffalo k aggay been bajane wali baat
There are loads of videos available on the net with this person telling his dreams, title of video mostly is by "Tahir-ul-Qadri ka Jhoota Khuab". There is one example in the video (http://videos.apnicommunity.com/Video,Item,730751812.html). Listening to video, there are many objectionable things: e.g. (i) He has used the word "Qibla" many times for his father............Qibla for muslims is only one., (ii) AFtering seeing the dream he is being thankful and praising the rehmat of the prophet (pbuh) and thanking Allah is no where?
I donot understand what shria message he is conveying n this video? WHo knows the authenticity of these dreams and wot is the message to ordinary ppl.
The prophet (pbuh) came into the dream of Noor-ud-Din Zangi and he was shown signs that ppl are trying to reach the grave of the prophet(pbuh)......there was an objective behind this dream as this man had the power to stop those ppl ........
If an ordinary man stands up and starts telling stories based on his dreams (Allah knows if he saw the dream or he is making up one. Even if he saw the dream wots the point telling in public, is he trying to get the fame? if he is telling the public, is there any message for the public? )
I would say, have a fear of Allah(SWT) and donot create confusions in Islam.
May Allah protect us all.
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Sufism is the form of islam acceptable by the west, how come this can be true then?
There r many things in sufism from which west has no fear........whereas the true islam make the west sleep less because islam frees a person from any slavery and make the person be a slave of Allah. In contrray, the west make the man slave of its biased system and sufism make the man slave to peer who saying (maz Allah) becomes more important than the quran and hadith
May Allah Protect us all
See yourself in the following video, the aqeeda of Tahir-ul-Qadri and sufism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3bFEGFH1I&feature=related
Has any1 got any proof of these theories and facts he is on about from the Quran and hadith.......do you think Allah (swt) will not ask these ppl for making these things up in His deen? Have fear of Allah.
For more details see this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LmzEU5cRZs&NR=1
For Allah's sake do cross check what this man is saying and accept the truth.
Allah key leye Allah key bandoon koo gurah na karoo
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You are just agaisnt some personalities. You are followers of Saudi funded Wahabi Islam. People like you have their own explaination of islam which is far from reality. Real Islam is nothing to do with it. You guys are manuplating calling all other muslims as 'non-muslims.' Actually you are trapped in a time capsule. Islam is for all times and spaces. Quran is applicable even in Mars,. Still some people stress on cleaning teeth with wood brushes (Miswak) as better idea trying to avoid modern tooth brushes. History witnesses for many years muslims like you banning any new innovation like printing presses for Quran, blood tranfusions for sick, loud speakers for Azan and gene therapies for cure. Still they are fighting on producing test-tube babies and doing clonning. You guys have hijackked islam and interpreted it according to your wills. You are still banning women to drive cars and go alone for work. Do you agree that Quran is for all times and for spaces ?
What a lame execuse? this is not a political talk show wher u get away with such kind of arguments neither every1 is fool here.
If u use a person's talk in ur email to defend the subject under discussion here.....then i have to show u the some proofs about the controveries of this person......how can this make me againist these personalities......now u r bringing up the name of Saudi Arabia, why u bring that in the talk? u have clearly shown that u have some thing against suadi arabia, I never brought this name in any of my talks.
You in this post are just beating about the bushes and thats all....if your one misunderstanding is exposed then its very easy to accept and correct rather than keep on lieing and throwing unrelated blames on others and bringing in the lables like wahabi etc.
Who asked u to bring in the video of Tahir-ul-Qadri, u did to defent sufism now face it, this person himself showing his aqeeda clearly in these videos. If u hold imperfect personalities as ur peer you 'll face the mistakes and crimes by them. y dont u hold the one (prophet (pbuh)) who's guranter is Allah (swt) by doing that u 'll get respect in this world and hereafter
I donot have any thing against any individual but I am a slave of Allah (SWT) and I cannot just take alll these slaves of Allah doing things which they r not supposed to be doing.
Wake up, open your eyes and heart accept the truth, if you lied b4 seek Allah's forgiveness and donot keep on fooling yourself and others.........No one knows u or me here, Allah will protect you from all eveil.
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I told you that sufi islam is no separate Islam. It is the one Islam. Sufi preached Islam and what is its sharia. That is how whole Muslim world became Muslim. Only najdi oppose sufis because they wanted rule Saudia and they made propoganda against Ottoman khilafat and they also now want to rule in Pakistan with their puppet. Najdi use Islam for their rule. Najdi also want legitimisation of their rule from the common people of the whole Muslim world just like Israel. Najdi rulers know that common people from Tunisia to Bangladesh dont acccept the najdi rule and this makes najdi ruler very nervous because they have no real support in Muslim world. The only way they get support is by buying mir jaffars and mir sadiqs with petro dollar. This way they also attacking in Pakistan by attacking sufis because they know that this the most strongest religous institution which dont accept najdis.
We will continue to save our people from you until Imam Mahdi come and settle all issues with you. If we get chance then before him we will take the rule from you and put some right Arab person to rule that country. Pass the message to najdi rulers that they have attacked us too much and caused much fighting and destruction and bombs and killing of children and women in Pakistan and now it their turn to get some but we will do it peacefully.
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You r being judgemental here, u defend sufism and that implies you r sufi (i am not giving u any title).......All the titles u tried to give me in all ur posts like wahabi, ahle-hadith, najdi etc., i never tried to defend any of those titles......i like one title for myself and for all of you my brothers which is muslim.......Only thing i defended and presented and actually requested to you all is to get back to the quran and hadith only and donot confuse yourself with all the later invensions with different concepts claiming to be islam.
Can any1 say that I am presenting a wrong ting by asking to stick to quran and sunnah..........correct me, please. If not then wots the point of keep giving me titles which i never asked for or even defended........donot you think i can hold you for giving me these titles in the court of Allah (SWT) on day of judgement.
My humble request to my brother cheeko is, please do not make thing personal here, lets correct our misconceptions in the light of quran and sunnah and please if u want to answer this post answer in your words and dont copy paste text from sites.....neither me nor any1 will be impressed with this which seems like you r trying to prove your intellectural streangth and research.
My response b4 to this post was without listening to this ........i have listened only few seconds of it ....now the brother who has posted this is a very bad defender of sufism, infact he has drowned the boat of sufism in the middle of sea. Thank you brother for posting this, it ends the debate here as sufism by these two ppl (who both r not muslims) is not islam, any1 shia or sunni or bother or neither can b sufi.......
Brother Cheeko donot miss it please.
Thank you again, truth makes its own way and liars have no heavens
One could read the Quran and Hadiths and conclude that Islam is primarily legalism. Sufiism is a large number of inter-related aspects of Islam that is a reaction against this focus on rituals and practices. Orthodox Islam says little about the heart and desiring of God; Sufiism says that true religion is inner truth along with outer practice.
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You are the one who got personal since the begininning of this topic. I have replied every issue from Quran and Hadees and it is now confirmed that you also dont follow Quran and Hadees and instead follow najdis. They are najdis, wahabis , ahle hadees etc what ever any one calls them. I prefer to call you lot najdis because you people r followers of fake najdi self made alims. I will continue to speak the truth about you. You r projecting people like Tousef Rahman who every one knows is a deviant. This lot is the same group who also title yazeed as raziallah which is wrong. Once someone asked Tousif about the person who joins the prayers at the end and after namaz finishes then he stands up and completes his namaz and do you find this in Quran and Hadees and he replied that he has no daleel for it but the najdi alims have given a fatwa that it is allowed. I am not telling that the fatwa is wrong but isnt this biddat because you cant find this in Quran and Hadees.
I have told everything from Quran and Hadees and supported from the consensus opinion of Ulemas of four mazhabs Shafi Maliki Hanafi and Hanbali. Tousif Rahman infact tells that following four mazhabs is wrong. He tells that only he is right and rest is wrong so the problem is not Aulia Allah but your problem is Islam.
I have done a lot of research and these r my own words. Its funny that copy pasting for you people is halal whereas its wrong for me. I am laughing at you.
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My response b4 to this post was without listening to this ........i have listened only few seconds of it ....now the brother who has posted this is a very bad defender of sufism, infact he has drowned the boat of sufism in the middle of sea. Thank you brother for posting this, it ends the debate here as sufism by these two ppl (who both r not muslims) is not islam, any1 shia or sunni or bother or neither can b sufi.......
Brother Cheeko donot miss it please.
Thank you again, truth makes its own way and liars have no heavens
What now you want me to comment on each and every ones individual opinion as well. Are you sane or insane. Discuss with me what I am telling and not what any one else is telling.
You are still not understanding. Let me tell u more in simple language. You know Tasawwuf is a branch of Islamic knowledge which focuses on the spiritual development of the Muslim.
Allah sent His final messenger, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)), as a source of knowledge for the entire ummah. He was the fountain of Quran, Hadith, tafsir, rhetoric, fiqh, and so on. After the Prophet(pbuh)), the scholars of this ummah carried and propagated each of these branches of knowledge. Because no one person can attain the perfection of the Prophet (pbuh)), who single handedly assumed all of these roles, various branches of the Islamic sciences developed. For example, Imam Abu Hanifah preserved the science of fiqh and after him thousands of scholars continued in his footsteps. Hence these scholars preserved the fiqh of the Prophet(pbuh)) . Similarly Imam Bukhari and the other famous scholars of Hadith, preserved the words of the Prophet(pbuh)). The scholars of tajweed preserved the recitation of the Prophet (pbuh)). And, the scholars of Arabic grammar preserved the language of the Prophet (pbuh)).
Along these lines, the Prophet (pbuh)) was the model of spirituality for the world. His God-consciousness, deep spirituality, acts of worship, and love for Allah were preserved and propagated by an Islamic science called Tasawwuf. The aim of the scholars of this science was purification of the heart, and development of consciousness of Allah through submission to the shariah and sunnah (Sufism).
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Good answer but how can he know. You have told the specialisations of different people. His najdi religon started 200 years ago so he doesnt knows more than what they tell. The specialisation of najdis is to call every one shirk and kafar and take people away from Islam.
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Orthodox islam? where u live brother.......islam is islam nothing more or less...sufism is everything but not islam.......Wot the prophet (pbuh) said about islam is truth wot sufism says is a lie.
Follow quran and hadith, donot follow me , tauseef-ur-rehmana or any1 tell you to do anything against the quran and hadith. Sufism tell most of things which are clear opposition of the quran and hadith so rejected.one concept wahdul-wajood is enough to proof it wrong......u wana sell this product sell it but donot use the umbrella of islam.........
Thats what I told that any person who tells anything out of Quran and Sunnah is wrong. So I am following Quran and Hadees and you are not. Sufism is no separate religon and this is an english word to describe the specialisation [that brother Gilani told] and Aulia Allah only told Islam and converted millions of people to Islam.
I have told every thing from Quran and Hadees and so how can Sufis be wrong because I told every thing what they tell. You are just playing on a weak wicket and eventually you are on the losing side and Islam is the ever victorious.
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