What is shirk (شرک کیا ہے) ??

[babadeena]

@Pakistani1947,
Brother, those people who do not wish to believe in the reality, will not believe whatsoever we
may produce for them, how much authentic source it should be. Just check the stero-type reply
always forthcoming from Cheeko and Mughal1. I really feel pity for Cheeko that he has cut n paste
the same thing again and again. Their main base and point is:

a) A believer cannot be a Mushrik (or he cannot commit Shirk), (they conveniently omit the verse
from Surah Yusuf quoted in your post also);
b) that only those people are Mushrik who worship , other than Allah, and DEEMING THEM AS
ILLAH( They did not wish to take into account the "definition of worship, purely based on
Quran, and at the same time, they cannot give their own definition till now);
c) that making "dua" to other than Allah is ok and fine for them, because the one who is
making dua is not taking the other as "Illah". (They forget that what is then purpose
of making a dua to anyone except Allah).
For them "Illah" is who is in Surah Ikhlas. and Worship is in surah Kafroon. Now what you can
do for such people who are bent upon to not only sanction Shrik but also to justify it with their
theories.

 

[babadeena]

How to offer Namaz
Sahi Muslim

(11) Hattan b. 'Abdullah al-Raqiishi reported: I observed prayer with Abu Musu al-Ash'ari and when he was in the qa'dah, one among the people said: The prayer has been made obligatory along with piety and Zakat. He (the narrator) said: When Abu Musa had finished the prayer after salutation he tuined (towards the people) and said: Who amongst you said such and such a thing? A hush fell on the people. He again said.. Who amongst you has said such and such a thing? A hush fell on the people. He (Abu Musa) said: Hattan, It is perhaps you that have uttered it. He (Hattan) said No. I have not uttered it. I was afraid that you might be annoyed with me on account of this. A person amongst the people said: It was I who said it, and In this I intended nothing but good. Abu Musa said: Don't you know what you have to recite in your prayers? Verily the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) addressed us and explained to us all Its aspects and taught us how to observe prayer (properly). He (the Holy Prophet) said: When you pray make your rows straight and let anyone amongst you act as your Imim. Recite the takbir when he recites it and when be recites: Not of those with whom Thou art angry. nor of those who go astray, say: Amin. Allah would respond you. And when he (the Imim) recites the takbir, you may also recite the takbir, for the Imam bows before you and raises himself before you. Then the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: The one is equivalent to the other. And when he says: Allah listens to him who praises Him, you should say: 0 Allah, our. Lord, to Thee be the praise, for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, has vouchsafed (us) through the tongue of His Apostle (may peace be upon him) that Allah listens to him who praises Him. And when he (the Imim) recites the takbir and prostrates, you should also recite the takbir and prostrate, for the Imim prostrates before you and raises himself before you. The Messenger' of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: The one is equi- valent to the other. And when he (the Imim) sits for Qa'da (for tashahhud) the first words of every one amongst you should be: All services rendered by words, acts of worship and all good things are due to Allah. Peace be upon you,0 Apostle, and Allah's mercy and blessings. Peace be upon us and upon the upright servants of Allah. I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Mubammad is His servant and His Messenger. (Book #004, Hadith #0800)

I am showing you more than enough from Quran, but you are unable to
quote single hadith encompassing everything of Namaz.

Does this Hadith is the ONLY ONE and does it contains all what we recite, where it says that:
a) recite Subhan kalalhuma wabayhamdayka................
b) what to recite in Rakoo (Subhan rabayyalay azeem)
c) what in Sajida: (Subhan Rabaayyala....)
If you remember I asked that "immediately after the Salaat order was given and salaat was started", it may have been
decided what and where to read what. And it has to be only one Hadith, not in bit and pieces. or then Salaat
kept on changing with the passage of time? Please get me that ONLY ONE HADITH.

 

[samar]

When discussing Shirk, if one says that Help is to be sought from Allah, immediately
the childish answer is given if:
"someone ask help to get him taxi, is it Shirk"
If some one says that "Calling any one except Allah, is Shirk", the counter
question will be if:
"Hamid calls Ashraf, will it be Shirk"
These type of people are totally unaware of the concept of "Ebaadaat" and "Dua(calling)"
explained in Quran.

Plz explain what is ibadat ?????????

 

[Abdul Allah]

Abdul Allah, You do not have logical answer to babadeena and hence you are completely deviating from the topic.

Let me remind you the topic is "What is SHIRK".

First of All I know what is the topic
Are we not discussing WHAT SHIRK is??

So that is why i ask SO MANY TIMES that
Is there any thing wrong in it

اللہ کے سوا کسی کو معبود ماننا
الله کے سوا کسی اور کو الله کے حکم اور مرضی کے بغیر مدد گار ماننا
الله کی صفات میں کسی کو الله کی طرح ہی کامل سمجھنا
یہ شرک ہے

مگر یہ ماننا کے الله نے اپنے بندوں کو مدد کرنے کا اختیار دیا ہے اور وہ الله کی مرضی سے مدد کرتے ہیں شرک نہیں



And you or babadeena never answer this.

secondly it was not illogical thing to ask someone who said only Quran is the source or STICK to the Quran. then on what basis he offer namaz is this an illogical question.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

My Dear brother Abdul Allah,

Please promise me that you will read full post including a video, all Quraanic verses and Ahadeeths before making any comment. Although it is not the topic of the thread but since your needle is stuck at your theory of "except by His Permission".

First of All about the topic i have asked(and answered what shirk is) in my one post that you never answer.

ایسا کون ہے جو اس کی اجازت کے سوا اس کے ہاں سفارش کر سکے

So what you think ایسا کون ہے??
No one??
then what is the purpose of saying of Allah that "جو اس کی اجازت کے سوا"
and the video you send also said that. استشنا ہے

and you bring few Hadith

well why you forget this one??
from Sahi Bukhari
(1) Narrated Abu Huraira: I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be the luckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely from the bottom of his heart "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." And 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz wrote to Abu Bakr bin Hazm, "Look for the knowledge of Hadith and get it written, as I am afraid that religious knowledge will vanish and the religious learned men will pass away (die). Do not accept anything save the Hadiths of the Prophet. Circulate knowledge and teach the ignorant, for knowledge does not vanish except when it is kept secretly (to oneself)." (Book #3, Hadith #98)



on more for you from the same book
(2) Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind. (Book #7, Hadith #331)

only posting TWO
Many can be provided that said Muhammad pbuh will have that right. and he will be the one ایسا کون ہے
So How is that ? Muhammad pbuh him is saying that I have given this right but you insist that no it is not.
Whom should i pay attention? obviously every one knows the anwer.

and I want to be that luckiest person as Hadith said if you do not want to be Say it loud and clear.
and you and babadeena love to use term QABAR parasti.
My post about shirk is clear answer to that.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

Allah orders prophet Muhammad pbuh to warn his pbuh relatives that he won't be able to do "Shafaaat" on the Day of Judgement.

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وَأَنذِرْ عَشِيرَتَكَ الْأَقْرَبِينَ
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اور اپنے قریب کے رشتہ داروں کو ڈرا
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You bring Ayath 26:214
but you did not read 26:213 so failed to understand 26:214

(213. So, invoke not with Allah another god lest you should be among those who receive punishment.)

So i hope now you may have understand the reason for which Allah have asked Muhammad pbuh to warn.

The hadith i qoute also confirm that.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Definition Of Ibadah (Worship)

Plz explain what is ibadat ?????????

Does this Hadith is the ONLY ONE and does it contains all what we recite, where it says that:
a) recite Subhan kalalhuma wabayhamdayka................
b) what to recite in Rakoo (Subhan rabayyalay azeem)
c) what in Sajida: (Subhan Rabaayyala....)
If you remember I asked that "immediately after the Salaat order was given and salaat was started", it may have been
decided what and where to read what. And it has to be only one Hadith, not in bit and pieces. or then Salaat
kept on changing with the passage of time? Please get me that ONLY ONE HADITH.

Allah states in Qur'aan:

Surah Az'Zariyat (51) Verse 56: "I have only created Jinns and men, that they may worship Me."

Surah Ya Seen (36) Verse 61: "And that ye should worship me, (for that) this was the Straight Way."

The purpose for creation was so that we worship Allah subhana wa tallah, as our Allah, Rabb (i.e. Lord), Illah (i.e. God), and this is the straight path, and associate with Allah no god-partners in his Zaat (i.e. being), Sifat (i.e. attributes) or in Allah's Afaal (i.e. actions).

Definition:

- To show love, to show adoration, to show fear, to honour, to praise, to show respect, in qayam (i.e. stand), in position of ruku (i.e. bow), in position of sajood (i.e. prostrate), tahashud (i.e. kneeling position) to raise hands in a invocation (i.e. dua), to ask a Diety, with the belief that, Diety is Wajib Ul Wajood (i.e. existance is must), Mustaqil Biz'zaat (i.e. exits by self), with the beleife that Diety's attributes are Azli (i.e. from eternity) as well as Abdi (i.e.to eternity), and with the beleife that Diety's attributes are Qulli (i.e. absolute/perfect), Zaati (i.e. Diety's Own), is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the belief Deity (خدا) is Wajib Ul Wajood (existance is must) is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the beliefDeity (خدا) is Mustaqil biz'zaat (exits by self) is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the beliefDeity's (خدا) Attributes are Azli (from eternity-ازلی) is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the belief Diety's Attributes are Abdi (ابدی-to eternity) is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the belief Diety's Attributes are Qulli (absolute/perfect)is Ibadah.

- To show love, fear, to praise, respect, honour, either in position of qayam, ruku, sajood, tahashud (or any other position, or act) with the belief Diety's Attributes are Zaati (Diety's Own) is Ibadah.

Explaination:

Ibadah has only taken place when the beliefs about the deity (خدا) is worthy of a deity (خدا). If the belief is absent for the deity (خدا)which is worthy of a deity (خدا) then actions alone can not be deemed as Ibadah. Intentions, Actions, and Aqeedah, these three must be in accordance with the rules and regulations of Quran and Ahadith for Ibadah to be valid, and accepted by Allah subhana wa tallah.

And if a Idol or a person is believed to posses anyone of the attributes ( اوصاف) of Allah subnaha wa tallah, i,e its is believed that Idol or a person is Mustaqil biz'zaat (exits by self), or it is believed that Idol or person is son, or is daughter of Allah, and then loved, adored, respected, honored, praised, feared, or people stand, bow, prostrate, kneel, or supplicate, beseech it in respect, love, fear, praise, then this would be Shirk Al Akhbar (i.e. major act of polytheism), and more specifically Shirk Al Ibadah (i.e. Polytheism in Worship).

Even if the Idol or person is associated as god-partner with Allah, in one or more of His Sifaat (صفات), Afaal (i.e. actions), or Zaat (ذات), but is not respected, loved, feared, honored, praised, bowed to, prostrated to, kneeled to, stood in front of, even then Shirk Al Akhbar as occurred due to the belief in the Idol or person as a partner with Allah.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Does this Hadith is the ONLY ONE and does it contains all what we recite, where it says that:
a) recite Subhan kalalhuma wabayhamdayka................
b) what to recite in Rakoo (Subhan rabayyalay azeem)
c) what in Sajida: (Subhan Rabaayyala....)
If you remember I asked that "immediately after the Salaat order was given and salaat was started", it may have been
decided what and where to read what. And it has to be only one Hadith, not in bit and pieces. or then Salaat
kept on changing with the passage of time? Please get me that ONLY ONE HADITH.

First of all

The Hadith I qoute
Almost explain ALL rukun of ISlam

1) Verily the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) addressed us and explained to us all Its aspects and taught us how to observe prayer (properly)

2) When you pray make your rows straight and let anyone amongst you act as your Imim

3) Imam bows before you and raises himself before you

4) Recite the takbir

5) Not of those with whom Thou art angry. nor of those who go astray, say: Amin.

6) And when he (the Imim) recites the takbir, you may also recite the takbir,

7) And when he says: Allah listens to him who praises Him

8) you should say: 0 Allah, our. Lord, to Thee be the praise,

9) and when he (the Imim) recites the takbir and prostrates, you should also recite the takbir and prostrate,

10) and when he (the Imim) sits for Qa'da


And secondly I did not ask you explain How to offer Namaz using one Ayath.
I give you free hand to explain it using any number of Ayath from any number of Sura.
But with only one condition.
That it must be clearly mention that it is part of Namaz.

like If you Bow in namaz and think that it is a part of Namaz then show me where it is in Quran that It is part of Namaz. and at what number we must do it in namaz etc...

So please feel free to use any number of Ayath to explain us the Akhamat-e-Namaz from Quran.

 

[Pakistani1947]

First of all

The Hadith I qoute
Almost explain ALL rukun of ISlam

1) Verily the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) addressed us and explained to us all Its aspects and taught us how to observe prayer (properly)

2) When you pray make your rows straight and let anyone amongst you act as your Imim

3) Imam bows before you and raises himself before you

4) Recite the takbir

5) Not of those with whom Thou art angry. nor of those who go astray, say: Amin.

6) And when he (the Imim) recites the takbir, you may also recite the takbir,

7) And when he says: Allah listens to him who praises Him

8) you should say: 0 Allah, our. Lord, to Thee be the praise,

9) and when he (the Imim) recites the takbir and prostrates, you should also recite the takbir and prostrate,

10) and when he (the Imim) sits for Qa'da


And secondly I did not ask you explain How to offer Namaz using one Ayath.
I give you free hand to explain it using any number of Ayath from any number of Sura.
But with only one condition.
That it must be clearly mention that it is part of Namaz.

like If you Bow in namaz and think that it is a part of Namaz then show me where it is in Quran that It is part of Namaz. and at what number we must do it in namaz etc...

So please feel free to use any number of Ayath to explain us the Akhamat-e-Namaz from Quran.

Brother Abdul Allah, Please do not be childish. You are totally deviating from the topic, which is "What is SHIRK". Please do not use these tactics. If you wish you can start a new thread to discuss Namaz.

Regards,

 

[Abdul Allah]

Brother Abdul Allah, Please do not be childish. You are totally deviating from the topic, which is "What is SHIRK". Please do not use these tactics. If you wish you can start a new thread to discuss Namaz.

Regards,

Its not Dear

What we are discussing ??
What is Shirk? right?
For that i have posted a question to you and others but not reply yet for that

Now let me try once again for you to explain that what i have asked is not childish nor illogical

1) Are we not discussing a thing that is related to religion??
2) Is Hadith not a source to understand Religion??
3) and if a person said that only use Quran then am in not justified by asking him to prove a basic thing in religion from Quran without using any other thing???

I hope now you will not repeat same thing again.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

You bring Ayath 26:214
but you did not read 26:213 so failed to understand 26:214

(213. So, invoke not with Allah another god lest you should be among those who receive punishment.)

So i hope now you may have understand the reason for which Allah have asked Muhammad pbuh to warn.

The hadith i qoute also confirm that.

Yes you are right! Conclusion from all relevant Quraanic verses and Hadeeths can be drawn that Prophet Muhammad pbuh would have conditional permission by Allah to intercede only a few lucky ones who did not commit any SHIRK. Prophet Muhammad pbuh warned their relatives not to involve in SHIRK as in that case he pbuh would not be able to intercede.

That is the reason none of the relative of Prophet Muhammad including Sahaba were involve in Qabar parasti. They did not celebrate any URS (عرس) of Prophet Muhammad. They did not arrange any Qawali function at the grave of Prophet Muhammad and they did not perform any Shytani sufi Raqs and Dhamal (Nauzobillah). They did not go to Prophet Muhammad grave to beg for a child or any help. They never arrange any annual "Chadar Charhigh" (چادر چڑھانا) on the grave of prophet Muhammad. None of the Sahaba were Mujawar (مجاور) or malang (ملنگ) (nauzobilla) at the grave of prophet Muhammad. They never prostrate (سجدہ) to the grave of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. They used to asked Allah directly for any help.

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)

 

[Pakistani1947]

Its not Dear

What we are discussing ??
What is Shirk? right?
For that i have posted a question to you and others but not reply yet for that

Now let me try once again for you to explain that what i have asked is not childish nor illogical

1) Are we not discussing a thing that is related to religion??
2) Is Hadith not a source to understand Religion??
3) and if a person said that only use Quran then am in not justified by asking him to prove a basic thing in religion from Quran without using any other thing???

I hope now you will not repeat same thing again.

I 100% agree with you brother that you can not fully understand religion without consulting authentic Hadiths.

But my point is that we all know that Babadeena does not rely on Hadeeth. We are here having an open debate open for all world. let's not single out Babadeena and let him participate within his capacity. If you wish to talk about Namaz you may please start a new thread on that topic.

Lets focus on the SHIRK.

Best regards,

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

First of All about the topic i have asked(and answered what shirk is) in my one post that you never answer.

ایسا کون ہے جو اس کی اجازت کے سوا اس کے ہاں سفارش کر سکے

So what you think ایسا کون ہے??
No one??
then what is the purpose of saying of Allah that "جو اس کی اجازت کے سوا"
and the video you send also said that. استشنا ہے

and you bring few Hadith

well why you forget this one??
from Sahi Bukhari
(1) Narrated Abu Huraira: I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be the luckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely from the bottom of his heart "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." And 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz wrote to Abu Bakr bin Hazm, "Look for the knowledge of Hadith and get it written, as I am afraid that religious knowledge will vanish and the religious learned men will pass away (die). Do not accept anything save the Hadiths of the Prophet. Circulate knowledge and teach the ignorant, for knowledge does not vanish except when it is kept secretly (to oneself)." (Book #3, Hadith #98)
on more for you from the same book
(2) Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind. (Book #7, Hadith #331)

only posting TWO
Many can be provided that said Muhammad pbuh will have that right. and he will be the one ایسا کون ہے
So How is that ? Muhammad pbuh him is saying that I have given this right but you insist that no it is not.
Whom should i pay attention? obviously every one knows the anwer.

and I want to be that luckiest person as Hadith said if you do not want to be Say it loud and clear.
and you and babadeena love to use term QABAR parasti.
My post about shirk is clear answer to that.

Dear Abdul Allhah:

After listing above all of the Quraanic verses showing no shafaaat and showing strictly no shafaaat in general and then shafaaat with His permission. We have agreed that there is shafaaat in some cases with Allah's permission and with condition that no SHIRK was committed by the person.

Lets do the same exercise and let me write down all the Hadiths quoted by you and me in a row:

1. Narrated Abu HuraIra: When Allah revealed the Verse: "Warn your nearest kinsmen," Allah's Apostle got up and said, "O people of Quraish (or saId similar words)! Buy (i.e. save) yourselves (from the Hellfire) as I cannot save you from Allah's PunIshment; O Bani Abd Manaf! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment, O Safiya, the Aunt of Allah's Apostle! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O FatIma bint Muhammad! Ask me anything from my wealth, but I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment." (Sahih Bukhari Book #51, Hadith #16)

2. Abu Huraira reported: When (this verse) was revealed to him:" Warn your nearest kinsmen." the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: o people of Quraish, buy yourselves from Allah, I cannot avail you at all against Allah; o sons of Abd al-Muttalib. I cannot avail you at all against Allah; 0 Abbas b. 'Abd al- Muttalib, I cannot avail you at all against Allah; o Safiya (aunt of the Messenger of Allah), I cannot avail you at all against Allah; 0 Fatima, daughter of Muhammad, ask me whatever you like, but I cannot avail you at all against Allah. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0402)

3. Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "(On the Day of Resurrection) camels will come to their owner in the best state of health they have ever had (in the world), and if he had not paid their Zakat (in the world) then they would tread him with their feet; and similarly, sheep will come to their owner in the best state of health they have ever had in the world, and if he had not paid their Zakat, then they would tread him with their hooves and would butt him with their horns." The Prophet added, "One of their rights is that they should be milked while water is kept in front of them." The Prophet added, "I do not want any one of you to come to me on the Day of Resurrection, carrying over his neck a sheep that will be bleating. Such a person will (then) say, 'O Muhammad! (please intercede for me,) I will say to him. 'I can't help you, for I conveyed Allah's Message to you.' Similarly, I do not want any one of you to come to me carrying over his neck a camel that will be grunting. Such a person (then) will say "O Muhammad! (please intercede for me)." I will say to him, "I can't help you for I conveyed Allah's message to you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #24, Hadith #485)

4. Narrated Abu Huraira: I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be theluckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely from the bottom of his heart "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." And 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz wrote to Abu Bakr bin Hazm, "Look for the knowledge of Hadith and get it written, as I am afraid that religious knowledge will vanish and the religious learned men will pass away (die). Do not accept anything save the Hadiths of the Prophet. Circulate knowledge and teach the ignorant, for knowledge does not vanish except when it is kept secretly (to oneself)." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #3, Hadith #98)

5. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #7, Hadith #331)

Conclusions on individual Hadeeths:

1. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment.
2. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will.
3. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will not intercede anyone who did not paid Zakat and who did not fulfilled animals right.
4. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will intercede a luckiest person who did not commit SHIRK.
5. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection)

Cumulative conclusion from all five Hadeeths:

Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (with Allah's permission) to choose a few lucky ones who did not commit SHIRK and who fulfilled the human and animals rights.

Conclusion from all relevant Quraanic verses and Hadeeths can be drawn that Prophet Muhammad pbuh would have conditional permission by Allah to intercede only a few lucky ones who did not commit any SHIRK. Prophet Muhammad pbuh warned their relatives not to involve in SHIRK as in that case he pbuh would not be able to intercede.

That is the reason none of the relative of Prophet Muhammad including Sahaba were involve in Qabar parasti. They did not celebrate any URS (عرس) of Prophet Muhammad. They did not arrange any Qawali function at the grave of Prophet Muhammad and they did not perform any Shytani sufi Raqs and Dhamal (Nauzobillah). They did not go to Prophet Muhammad grave to beg for a child or any help. They never arrange any annual "Chadar Charhigh" (چادر چڑھانا) on the grave of prophet Muhammad. None of the Sahaba were Mujawar (مجاور) or malang (ملنگ) (nauzobilla) at the grave of prophet Muhammad. They never prostrate (سجدہ) to the grave of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. They used to asked Allah directly for any help.

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. May Allah give them hidayat before they die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)

 

[babadeena]

I 100% agree with you brother that you can not fully understand religion without consulting authentic Hadiths.

But my point is that we all know that Babadeena does not rely on Hadeeth. We are here having an open debate open for all world. let's not single out Babadeena and let him participate within his capacity. If you wish to talk about Namaz you may please start a new thread on that topic.
Lets focus on the SHIRK.
Best regards,

Brother. My position is very clear. Normally people are labelling me as Hadith Rejecter. Because I challenge them
on the basis of Quran. I DO NOT TOTALLY REJECT OR TOTALLY ACCEPT HADITHS. I screen everything
first through Quran. But It does not mean that I altogether reject Hadith. What I am asking Abdullah and
he is not understanding that He should give me only one and one Hadith in which all text of namaz
is there. He is finding it difficult. I can give him Wazoo, making lines, imamat,
rakooh, sajda, etc from Quran also. Rest the Hadith which he quoted, does not go against Quran rather
it is explaining Quran and I wholly accept that. I think I am pretty clear. Only those people
who does not have answer to my question based on Quran, labelled me as Hadith rejecter
which is total accusation. Nothing else.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Brother. My position is very clear. Normally people are labelling me as Hadith Rejecter. Because I challenge them
on the basis of Quran. I DO NOT TOTALLY REJECT OR TOTALLY ACCEPT HADITHS. I screen everything
first through Quran. But It does not mean that I altogether reject Hadith. What I am asking Abdullah and
he is not understanding that He should give me only one and one Hadith in which all text of namaz
is there. He is finding it difficult. I can give him Wazoo, making lines, imamat,
rakooh, sajda, etc from Quran also. Rest the Hadith which he quoted, does not go against Quran rather
it is explaining Quran and I wholly accept that. I think I am pretty clear. Only those people
who does not have answer to my question based on Quran, labelled me as Hadith rejecter
which is total accusation. Nothing else.

You reject Hadith when some one explain you Quranic Ayath using Hadith.
for example incase of Shifaaat
Allah says Shifaat is possible only With the permission of Allah
then we have Hadith in which Rasool Allah pbuh said that Allah gave this right to him. DID YOU ACCEPT This Hadith OR NOT??

now come to the Namaz point.
1) Why you insist on one Hadith?
2) you said you can give me Ruku,Sajada etc.. from Quran. Go ahead i have given you free hand that you can use any number of Ayath. to show it. but you must show us that Ruku , Sajada are part of Namaz from Quran. also please show us the TARTEEB of all Arakeen-e-Namaz and what to say in which Rukun.
GO AHEAD DO IT. use any number of Ayath. you can use one ayath from a Sura and second from anyother no ristiction on you just one condition. you must tell us that Ruku,sajada are part of Namaz and what is the Tateeb of it. What to say in each rukun
Me Waiting for your answer

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

1. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment.
2. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will.
3. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will not intercede anyone who did not paid Zakat and who did not fulfilled animals right.
4. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will intercede a luckiest person who did not commit SHIRK.
5. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection)

Cumulative conclusion from all five Hadeeths:

Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (with Allah's permission) to choose a few lucky ones who did not commit SHIRK and who fulfilled the human and animals rights.

Conclusion from all relevant Quraanic verses and Hadeeths can be drawn that Prophet Muhammad pbuh would have conditional permission by Allah to intercede only a few lucky ones who did not commit any SHIRK. Prophet Muhammad pbuh warned their relatives not to involve in SHIRK as in that case he pbuh would not be able to intercede.

That is the reason none of the relative of Prophet Muhammad including Sahaba were involve in Qabar parasti. They did not celebrate any URS (عرس) of Prophet Muhammad. They did not arrange any Qawali function at the grave of Prophet Muhammad and they did not perform any Shytani sufi Raqs and Dhamal (Nauzobillah). They did not go to Prophet Muhammad grave to beg for a child or any help. They never arrange any annual "Chadar Charhigh" (چادر چڑھانا) on the grave of prophet Muhammad. None of the Sahaba were Mujawar (مجاور) or malang (ملنگ) (nauzobilla) at the grave of prophet Muhammad. They never prostrate (سجدہ) to the grave of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. They used to asked Allah directly for any help.

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. May Allah give them hidayat before they die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)

your First point in conclusion is WRONG
that "Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment."
Rest are ok.

Now come to your last part of TWO posts.

But first I am waiting for your answer about My post on What is Shirk and what is not. After asking and pointing out yet you did not answer it.

Now about your last part of your post
1) doing Sajada to Qabar is shirk? answer is a BIG YES
2) celebrating URS is SHIRK??? Do you know what Shirk is?? one can say that it is WRONG(sin) but is it a SHIRK. (it is another debate that it is wrong or not)
3) "Chadar poshi" same as above point number 2.
4) doing Dhamal and Rakas is it a Shirk in your eyes?? dont you know difference between a Gunaha(SIN) and Shirk??? (e.g a person drink wine is a SIN or SHIRK apply this to DHAMAL and RAKAS)
5) Asking for something from someone other than Allah is Shirk??
well read my post about Shirk and read the last line. If some one ask for Help from someone having this point in mind that Allah is the one who Allow him to help and without permission of Allah He can not help. IS it a shirk??. You may reject his believe but will you call it shirk???

Think on it please.

 

[Cheeko]

Re: What is intercession - شفاعت کیا ہے؟

Dear Abdul Allhah:

After listing above all of the Quraanic verses showing no shafaaat and showing strictly no shafaaat in general and then shafaaat with His permission. We have agreed that there is shafaaat in some cases with Allah's permission and with condition that no SHIRK was committed by the person.

Lets do the same exercise and let me write down all the Hadiths quoted by you and me in a row:

1. Narrated Abu HuraIra: When Allah revealed the Verse: "Warn your nearest kinsmen," Allah's Apostle got up and said, "O people of Quraish (or saId similar words)! Buy (i.e. save) yourselves (from the Hellfire) as I cannot save you from Allah's PunIshment; O Bani Abd Manaf! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment, O Safiya, the Aunt of Allah's Apostle! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O FatIma bint Muhammad! Ask me anything from my wealth, but I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment." (Sahih Bukhari Book #51, Hadith #16)

2. Abu Huraira reported: When (this verse) was revealed to him:" Warn your nearest kinsmen." the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: o people of Quraish, buy yourselves from Allah, I cannot avail you at all against Allah; o sons of Abd al-Muttalib. I cannot avail you at all against Allah; 0 Abbas b. 'Abd al- Muttalib, I cannot avail you at all against Allah; o Safiya (aunt of the Messenger of Allah), I cannot avail you at all against Allah; 0 Fatima, daughter of Muhammad, ask me whatever you like, but I cannot avail you at all against Allah. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0402)

3. Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "(On the Day of Resurrection) camels will come to their owner in the best state of health they have ever had (in the world), and if he had not paid their Zakat (in the world) then they would tread him with their feet; and similarly, sheep will come to their owner in the best state of health they have ever had in the world, and if he had not paid their Zakat, then they would tread him with their hooves and would butt him with their horns." The Prophet added, "One of their rights is that they should be milked while water is kept in front of them." The Prophet added, "I do not want any one of you to come to me on the Day of Resurrection, carrying over his neck a sheep that will be bleating. Such a person will (then) say, 'O Muhammad! (please intercede for me,) I will say to him. 'I can't help you, for I conveyed Allah's Message to you.' Similarly, I do not want any one of you to come to me carrying over his neck a camel that will be grunting. Such a person (then) will say "O Muhammad! (please intercede for me)." I will say to him, "I can't help you for I conveyed Allah's message to you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #24, Hadith #485)

4. Narrated Abu Huraira: I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be theluckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely from the bottom of his heart "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." And 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz wrote to Abu Bakr bin Hazm, "Look for the knowledge of Hadith and get it written, as I am afraid that religious knowledge will vanish and the religious learned men will pass away (die). Do not accept anything save the Hadiths of the Prophet. Circulate knowledge and teach the ignorant, for knowledge does not vanish except when it is kept secretly (to oneself)." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #3, Hadith #98)

5. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #7, Hadith #331)

Conclusions on individual Hadeeths:

1. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment.
2. Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will.
3. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will not intercede anyone who did not paid Zakat and who did not fulfilled animals right.
4. Prophet Muhammad pbuh will intercede a luckiest person who did not commit SHIRK.
5. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection)

Cumulative conclusion from all five Hadeeths:

Prophet Muhammad pbuh can not save anyone from Allah's punishment against Allah's Will. Prophet Muhammad pbuh have been given the right of intercession (with Allah's permission) to choose a few lucky ones who did not commit SHIRK and who fulfilled the human and animals rights.

Conclusion from all relevant Quraanic verses and Hadeeths can be drawn that Prophet Muhammad pbuh would have conditional permission by Allah to intercede only a few lucky ones who did not commit any SHIRK. Prophet Muhammad pbuh warned their relatives not to involve in SHIRK as in that case he pbuh would not be able to intercede.

That is the reason none of the relative of Prophet Muhammad including Sahaba were involve in Qabar parasti. They did not celebrate any URS (عرس) of Prophet Muhammad. They did not arrange any Qawali function at the grave of Prophet Muhammad and they did not perform any Shytani sufi Raqs and Dhamal (Nauzobillah). They did not go to Prophet Muhammad grave to beg for a child or any help. They never arrange any annual "Chadar Charhigh" (چادر چڑھانا) on the grave of prophet Muhammad. None of the Sahaba were Mujawar (مجاور) or malang (ملنگ) (nauzobilla) at the grave of prophet Muhammad. They never prostrate (سجدہ) to the grave of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. They used to asked Allah directly for any help.

We can only pray for those who in the hope of getting "Safaaat" are doing all kind of SHIRK and biddat. May Allah give them hidayat before they die. (Aameen)

May Allah forgive us for humanly mistakes and keep us on the straight path (Aameen)

(Allah knows better)

You are not answering me. Stop beating around the bush and answer me now. Its a basic class one question for a madrassa going kid.


Stop giving wrong conclusions by quoting selective Hadees. That right of intercession is for the forgiveness of sins on the day of Judgement. Dont give your own conclusions by telling that he cant do intercession for other issues nowadays which run in contrary to Ayaat and other Hadees which I have already told. Now answer me.


I have a simple question for you. How do you know that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most authentic books of Hadees? I am not doubting their authenticity but want to know that how on earth did you come to know that these two books of Hadees are the most authenticated ones? Who classified them as authentic?This question is relevant to my future discussion and your answer will only take this discussion further. The answer to your questions will be delivered after you answer my simple question.

We are not playing who wants to be millionaire. We are talking about religion and within religion we are talking about SHIRK which is worst of all sin. Everybody is answerable Allah alone for his/ her deeds. Do not worry about your religious teacher, he will never be their to save you. If you accept that you have lost this debate you will Insha-Allah be winner in the hereafter. There is no right way accept the path of Quran and Sunnah directly not filtered through your religous teacher.
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[atensari]

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[Mughal1]

@Pakistani1947,
Brother, those people who do not wish to believe in the reality, will not believe whatsoever we
may produce for them, how much authentic source it should be. Just check the stero-type reply
always forthcoming from Cheeko and Mughal1. I really feel pity for Cheeko that he has cut n paste
the same thing again and again. Their main base and point is:

a) A believer cannot be a Mushrik (or he cannot commit Shirk), (they conveniently omit the verse
from Surah Yusuf quoted in your post also);
b) that only those people are Mushrik who worship , other than Allah, and DEEMING THEM AS
ILLAH( They did not wish to take into account the "definition of worship, purely based on
Quran, and at the same time, they cannot give their own definition till now);
c) that making "dua" to other than Allah is ok and fine for them, because the one who is
making dua is not taking the other as "Illah". (They forget that what is then purpose
of making a dua to anyone except Allah).
For them "Illah" is who is in Surah Ikhlas. and Worship is in surah Kafroon. Now what you can
do for such people who are bent upon to not only sanction Shrik but also to justify it with their
theories.

Bhai sahib, main ne yeh saabit kiya hai quran se keh har terha ki sharaakat mana nahin hai. Khud Allah ne ham insaanu ko yaa apni party ka kaha hai yaa shaitan ki party ka. Ab swaal yeh hai keh party ka hona shiraakat hai yaa nahin? Agar yeh sharaakat hai to phir isse saaf maloom huwa keh har tarha ki sharaakat mana nahin hai or na ghalat hai. Ab party memeber aik doosre ko pukaaren ge bhi apne apne maqaasid ke liye. To saabit huwa keh har pukarna bhi ghalat nahin sirf ghalat soch samajh dil mein rakh kar pukarna ghalat hota hai.

Kitni baar esa hota hai keh insaan ke munh se baatun baatun main ghalat baat nikal jaati to kia ham aik doosray ko ghalat kehna shuru kar dete hen yaa us ko marna peetna shuru kar dete hen? Nahin ham intezaar karte hen keh aadami anpi baat drust kar le.

So people in party of allah will call on allah as their god and allah will call them by their titles as appropriate eg o prophets, o momineen etc etc. If just calling on its own was wrong then even allah is doing that wrong, which means it is not wrong. The reason it is not wrong is because allah is not calling on his creatures as his gods but his creatures. If allah is right in calling on others as his creatures and then why creatures calling on each other would be wrong the while they are accepting that they are calling on creatures of allah? The wrong kind of shirk that is punishable is wrong for all even for allah himself ie allah cannot call onanyone as his god because that is not true accoring to allah. Likewise a prophet of allah cannot commit shirk because shirk is false and prophets are truthful and reliable people.

So there is no escape from the fact that your defintion of shirk seems full of holes becasue each time you try to redefine shirk something pops out from the same quran to contradcit it. This also proves that meaning you give to these verses that talk about shirk are clearly wrong because they cause contradictions thereby confusions.

To prove my definition of shirk wrong you need to bring just one verse saying that believing a prophet as prophet and yet calling on him is shirk. My definitn of shirk is therefore solid as a rock. It shows allah does things properly.

regards and all the best.

Rest of Surah 38

[FONT=&quot][50] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Gardens of Eden, whose gates shall be wide open to receive them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][51] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]They shall recline there, calling for abundant fruit and delicious drinks;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][52] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and beside them there shall be bashful virgin companions of equal age.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][53] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]These are the things which you are being promised on the Day of Reckoning;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][54] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]this will be Our provision which will never finish.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][55] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Such will be the reward for the righteous. But for the rebellious there will be a terrible resort[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][56] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- agony, that is! In which they will burn - the worst abode.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][57] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Such will be the case with wrongdoers. And they will taste scalding water, pus [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][58] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and other things of the same sort.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][59] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It will be said to the ringleaders: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here are your troops being thrown headlong with you. They are notwelcomed here; for they are going to burn in the hellfire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][60] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The followers shall say to their misguided leaders: But you! There is no welcome for you either! It was you who have brought us to this end. Such an evil abode.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][61] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Then they will pray: Our Lord, inflict on those who brought this fate upon us double the punishment in the fire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][62] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Then they will say to one another: But why do we not see those whom we deemed wicked[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][63] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and whom we use to ridicule? Or has our eyesight failed to notice them?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][64] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Surely, this is the very truth: the people in the hellfire will argue just like that.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][65] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]O Prophet, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]tell them: My mission is only as a Warner; there is no divinity exceptAllah, the One, the Irresistible,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][66] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that lies between them, the Almighty, the Graceful.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][67] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: This is a supreme message that you cannot afford to ignore:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][68] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]yet you pay no heed to it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][69] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And say: I have no knowledge of that time when the great chiefs disputed among themselves.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][70] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I am informed about all this through a revelation because I am assigned the mission of a plainWarner.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][71] Call to mind [/FONT][FONT=&quot]when your Lord sent message to the chiefs at the time by way of a messenger saying: I am going to cultivate a man into a highly civilised human being like a piece of clay that is like mud which is moulded into a required shape;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][72] and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]when I have completed my moulding of him into a shape I want for him and make him conscious of me by way of revelation then submit to him as your chief.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][73] So all the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]chiefs submitted to his authority altogether,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][74] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]except Iblees; he refused to join those who submitted.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][75] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah [/FONT][FONT=&quot]said: O Iblees! What prevented you from submitting to him whom I have appointed as a khalifah by my own authority? Are you too arrogant, or do you think that you are above obeying my commandment?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][76] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]He replied: I am better than he because you brought me about from the ruling elite with burning ambition to be the leader while you brought him about from the down trodden as if from the dust and made him my head undeservingly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][77] Allah replied to him through his messenger at the time[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: leave the title you were granted as a chief in this office, for you are sacked.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][78] And you will stay away from my grace [/FONT][FONT=&quot]till the time of Judgement.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][79] At this Iblees [/FONT][FONT=&quot]requested: Lord! Give me time till the Day the office holders take their offices as officials.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][80] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah said: Well, you are given respite[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][81] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]till the Day of appointment of the officials.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][82] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Iblees [/FONT][FONT=&quot]said: I swear by Your Honour, I will mislead them all[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][83] save [/FONT][FONT=&quot]those of them who are Your sincere devotees.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][84] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah said: Fair enough and now what I am going to say is also fair:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][85] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that I will fill hell with you and all of those who follow your way of thinking and doing thing among them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][86] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]O Prophet, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]tell them: I do not ask you any recompense for conveying this Message, nor do I pretend to be what I am not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][87] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This Qur'an is nothing less than a clear reminder to all the nations;[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][88] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and before long, you will certainly come to know its truths.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]39 MAKAH AZ-ZUMAR 59[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT][FONT=&quot] The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Almighty, the Wise.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][2] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Certainly We have revealed to you the Book for a purpose: therefore believe in guidance of Allah and live a life abiding purely by his word.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][3] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Beware! that what you do purely for Allah is the way of life that is true and right and good for humanity! As for those who take other guardians besides Him saying: We worship them only that they may bring us nearer to Allah. Surely Allah will judge between them concerning all that in which they differ. Allah does not guide such who is a liar and opposes his guidance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][4] Even [/FONT][FONT=&quot]if Allah wanted to have a son, He could only choose to adopt one He pleased out of His creation because it is not possible for Allah to have son otherwise, for he is only one of his kind: So glory be to Him! He is above such things. He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][5] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]He created the heavens and the earth for a set purpose. He turns the earth on its axis to bring the night to succeed the day and he turns the earth on its axis to bring the day to succeed the night. He has subjected the sun and the moon to His law, each one following a course for an appointed term. Is He not the All-Mighty, the All-[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Forgiving?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][6] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]He created you all from a single life form, then from that living being He created other living beings. He also created for you eight head of cattle in pairs. He evolves you in the bellies of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three layers of darkness, [/FONT]the abdominal wall, the uterine wall and the embryonic sac.[FONT=&quot] This is Allah, your Lord. To Him belongs the sovereignty. There is no god but Him. How can you then turn away from Him?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][7] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If you disbelieve, then you should know that Allah does not depend on you for his existence. He does notlike ingratitude from His servants. Therefore, if you are grateful He is pleased withyou. On the Day of Judgement, no bearer of burdens will be held liable for the responsibility of another.Ultimately, all of you have to return to your Lord. Then He will tell you the truth of allthat you did in this life. Surely He knows even the secrets in your minds.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][8] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]When some trouble befalls man, he cries to his Lord and turns to Him in repentance; but no sooner does He bestow on him His favour than he forgets what he has prayed for and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]sets up rivals to Allah, thus misleading others from His Way. Tell such people: Enjoy your make belief for a little while; certainly you will be of the inmates of hellfire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][9] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Can such be same as one who is self disciplined, passes the hours of night lying down or standing but paying attention to the hereafter and hoping to earn the Mercy of his Lord? Are the knowledgeable and the ignorant equal? In fact, none will take heed except the people of understanding.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][10] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] Say: O My servants who truly believe, be mindful of your Lord; those who will do good[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to others in this world shall receive goodness in return but it will take time because the earth is a vast place for goodness to spread. However if it has been made difficult for you to spread goodness where you are then move to some other place where you can, for Allah’s earth is spacious.Those who endure with patience the difficulties others put in their path will be rewarded without measure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][11] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: I am commanded to worship Allah and serve none but Him[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][12] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and I am commanded to be the foremost of those who submit to guidance of Allah. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][13] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: I surely pay attention to consequences that will result if did not follow the guidance of my Lord, the disgrace of a mighty Day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][14] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: I believe in Allah Alone as my God, and Him Alone I serve as my God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][15] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As for yourselves, worship whatever you want besides Him but be ready for the consequences. Say: The real losersare those who will lose themselves as well as their families by the day appointed if they keep spreading what is harmful for mankind. Those who keep victimising others one day become victim of the very same themselves and their loved ones. Ah! That will indeed be an open Loss.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][16] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]There shall be layers of agony and suffering above them and layers of agony and suffering beneath them. Such is the doom about which Allah wants His human creatures to fear, and says: O My servants, avoid My this forecasted wrath.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][17] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As for those who refrain from submitting to the rules by the wicked and turn to Allah for guidance there is good news for them. So O Prophet, give good news to My such servants[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][18] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]who listen to my Word and follow the goodness in it for them. Such are the ones whom Allah has guided and such are the ones who are endowed with understanding.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][19] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is the one against whom the forecast of suffering has been decreed equal to the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]one who refrains from evil? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Can you rescue the one who is hell bent on falling into the fire? Of course not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][20] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As for those who truly pay attention to guidance of their Lord, they shall end up lodged in lofty mansions, built with one story upon another, beneath which the rivers flow; this is the promise of Allah; Allah does not fail in His promise, for this is bound to happen one day if people keep on working to better themselves by way of positive cooperation instead of competing against each other and ending up destroyed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][21] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Do you not see how Allah sends down water from the heaven which penetrates the earth and comes out through springs? With it He brings forth a variety of crops with different colours, then they wither and you see them turning yellow, and then finally He crumbles them to dust. Surely, in this example, there is a lesson for the people of understanding.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][22] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is the one whose heart Allah has opened to a way of life that leads to peace (Islam) and is walking in the light of guidance from his Lord like the one who has learned no lesson and is still tripping along a path that leads nowhere but to pain and suffering. So woe to those whose hearts are hardened against the guidance of Allah! They are clearly in error.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][23] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah has revealed the most beautiful message, a Book consistent in its verses yet repeating its teachings in different ways. Those who fear their Lord are filled with awe when they hear it, their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides with it whom He pleases. But he to whom He confounds shall have none to guide him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][24] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is the one who shall face the terrors of the Day determined be like the one whoshall enter paradise? To such wrongdoers it will be said: Now taste the fruits of yourlabour.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][25] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Those who have gone before them also denied and opposed our guidance, consequently, the punishment overtook them from the directions they least expected.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][26] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]So Allah made them taste humiliation in the life of this world, and the punishment in the life to come shall be even more terrible, if they but knew it.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][27] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]We have cited for mankind every kind of parable in this Qur’an, so that they may learn a lesson.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][28] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This Qur’an is revealed in Arabic, which is free from any flaw, so that they may learn to be good to each other in the name of their creator.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][29] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah cites you a parable - there is a slave man who is shared by many masters, each pulling this man to himself (like the man who worships other deities along with Allah), and there is another slave man who belongs entirely to one master (like the man who worships Allah Alone)- are the two alike in comparison? Praise be to Allah! But most of them do not know.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][30] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]O Prophet, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]you shall die and they too shall die.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][31] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Then on the Day of Resurrection, your disputes shall be settled in the presence of your Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][32] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Who could be more harmful for mankind than the one who invents a lie against Allah rejects and opposes what is true, right and good for humanity when it comes to him? Is agonising suffering not the deserving end for such opposers of our guidance?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][33] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And the one who comes with the truth and the one who confirms it - surely are the one who are mindful of Allah and humanity.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][34] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]They shall have from their Lord all that they wish for. Thus shall the righteous be rewarded.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][35] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah will do away from their account their odd worst mistakes and reward them according to their best deeds.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][36] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is Allah not all sufficient for His human creatures? Yet they dare frighten you with their other make belief gods besides Him! For such whom Allah confounds, there can be no guide.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][37] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But the one whom Allah guides, none can lead him astray. Is not Allah All-Mighty, the Lord of retribution?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][38] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If you ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth? They will surely say:Allah. Ask them: Do you think then, that if Allah intends to harm me, can theywhom you invoke besides Allah as gods- save me from His harm or if Hewants to bestow on me His blessings, can they withhold His blessings from me? Tell them:Allah is all-sufficient for me and upon Him should rely all who want support that reliable and consistent.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][39] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: O my people! If you do not believe me, then do whatever you can and so shall I.Soon you will find out[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][40] upon [/FONT][FONT=&quot]whom shall fall disgraceful and painful suffering and who shall end up in the everlasting agony.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][41] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]O Prophet, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]surely We have revealed to you the Book with a set purpose which is guidance for mankind. He who follows the Right Way shall follow it for his own good; and he who goes astray shall do so at his own peril. You are not set up as a guardian over them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][42] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It is Allah Who lays to rest self awareness of people upon their death, and of the living during theirsleep. He keeps self awareness of those on whom He has passed the decree of death from returning and restores it for the rest till an appointed term. Surely there are evidences in this for thosewho think.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][43] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Have they taken others as gods besides Allah to intercede for them? Ask them: How can they intercede, if they have neither control over anything nor do they understand?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][44] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: Intercession is wholly in the hands of Allah. To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and to Him you shall all be brought back.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][45] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]When oneness of Allah is proclaimed, the hearts of those who deny the hereafter shrink with aversion; but when other make belief gods are proclaimed beside Allah, they are filled with joy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][46] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Say: O Allah! Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who has the knowledge of the unseen and the seen! You Alone have the knowledge to judge properly the disputes of your[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]human creatures concerning those matters over which they fight.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][47] Time is coming when even [/FONT][FONT=&quot]if the enemies of Allah and humanity possessed all the treasures of the earth and as much more besides it, they would gladly offer it to redeem themselves from the painful punishment on the Day of Resurrection. For Allah will show them what they would have never imagined.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][48] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The evil result of their deeds will become manifest to them and they will be completely encircled by the very thing they used to mock at.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][49] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Man is such that when he is in trouble he appeals to Us; but when We bestow Our favour upon him, he says: This has been given to me because of certain knowledge I[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]possess. Nay! It is but a test, yet most of them do not know.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][50] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The same was said by those who passed before them, but they gained nothing from what they did[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][51][/FONT][FONT=&quot]and the evil consequences of their deeds overtook them. Very soon, the wrongdoers[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]among these people will also be overtaken by the evil consequences of their misdeeds and they will not be able to escape.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][52] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Do they not know that Allah enlarges the provision for whom He pleases and withhold it from whom He wills? Surely there are signs in this for those who believe.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][53] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah [/FONT][FONT=&quot]says: O My servants who have transgressed against yourselves by way of doing harm to others, do not despairof Allah’s mercy, for Allah forgives all sins. It is He Who is Full of grace and Full ofMercy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][54] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Turn in repentance to your Lord, and submit to Him before there comes to you the suffering that has been foretold: for then, there shall be none to help you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][55] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Follow the beneficial way of life that is revealed to you by your Lord before the suffering befalls you all of a sudden while you do not even perceive it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][56] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lest someone should say: Alas! I neglected my duty towards Allah and I was one of those who mocked at His revelations.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][57] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Or lest he should say: If Allah had guided me, I would have been one of the righteous.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][58] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Or lest he should say upon seeing the punishment: I wish I had another chance, I would certainly be among the righteous.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][59] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Then Allah will say to him: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]My revelations did come to you; but you denied them and were arrogant and youwere among those who opposed and fought against them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][60] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]On the Day of Judgment you shall see that the faces of those who uttered falsehood against Allah shall be darkened. Is there not a deserving abode in hell for such arrogant opposers of our guidance?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][61] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]On the contrary[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Allah will deliver the righteous to their place of salvation. No harm shall touch them, nor shall they ever grieve.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][62][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Allah is the Creator of all things and of all things He is the Guardian.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][63] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]To Himbelongs the keys of the heavens and the earth. Those who deny and oppose the revelations ofAllah, it is they who will be the losers in the end.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][64] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]O Prophet [/FONT][FONT=&quot]say to the polytheists: O ignorant people! Do you bid me to worship those other than Allah-[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][65] When [/FONT][FONT=&quot]it has already been revealed to you as it was revealed to those before you that if you commit to polytheism, all your deeds will become fruitless and you will surely be among the losers?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][66] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Therefore, worship Allah and be among His thankful servants.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][67] Surely [/FONT][FONT=&quot]they have not yet recognized the fact as to how much they really depend on Allah this is what they ought to recognise and they should. On the Day of Resurrection the whole earth shall be in His grasp and all the heavens shall be rolled up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! Exalted is He above all that they associate with Him as gods.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][68] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The reformation will be started with all that is in the heavens and the earth swooned except those whom Allah will please to exempt. And the reformation will be ended and behold! They shall all stand up, looking around.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][69] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The earth will be shining with the light of her Lord, the Book of record will be laid open, the Prophets and other witnesses will be brought in, and justice shall be done between people with all fairness: none shall be wronged.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][70] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Every person will be paid in full according to its deeds, for He knows fully well as to what they did.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][71] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]After the Judgment, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the opposers of our guidance will be driven to hell in groups. When they reach there, its gates will be opened and its keepers will say: Did there not come to you Messengers from among yourselves, who recited to you the revelations of your Lord and forewarned you about the meeting of this Day? Yes, they will answer. But at that time the sentence of punishment would have been already announced against the rejecters of Allah.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][72] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]They will be told: Enter the gates of hell to live therein forever. Evil shall be the abode of the arrogant.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][73] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As for those who are mindful of their Lord, they shall be led towards paradise in groups. When they reach there, its gates will be opened, and its keepers will say: Peace be upon you! You have done well, now enter to live therein forever.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][74] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]They will say: Glory belongs to Allah Who has truly fulfilled His promise and gave us this land to inherit, now we can live in paradise wherever we like. How excellent will be the reward for the righteous?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][75] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]You will see the righteous surrounding the Divine Throne, glorifying their Lord with His praises. The Judgment between the people will be made with perfect justice, and it will be[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]proclaimed: Praise be to Allah the Lord of the nations![/FONT]
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[Pakistani1947]

How we can claim Sahih Bkhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most Authentic Books of Hadeth?

Brothers let me deal with this distraction first. I will Insha-Allah come back to the topic.

I have a simple question for you. How do you know that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most authentic books of Hadees?

Cheeko, I know you are trying to deviate from the topic to avoid answering the questions I raised in my earlier post. Anyway here is the answer to your question:

Imam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) died in 256 AH, i.e., 245 years after the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, not as your Shi’i friend claims. But these people are natural liars so this claim comes as no surprise. That does not mean that al-Bukhaari could have narrated directly from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); this is not what is meant at all. Rather we mention this here for the purpose of making things clear.


But how can we depend upon Saheeh al-Bukhaari when al-Bukhaari never met the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in person?
The answer is that in his Saheeh, al-Bukhaari did not narrate anything directly from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather he narrated from trustworthy shaykhs, who attained the highest degree of memorization, precision and trustworthiness, who in turn had narrated from equally reliable shaykhs, all the way back to the Sahaabah who narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The smallest number of narrators between al-Bukhaari and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is three. So we rely upon Saheeh al-Bukhaari because he chose the narrators from whom he transmitted hadeeth with the utmost care, and they are the most trustworthy. Moreover, he would not write down any hadeeth in his Saheeh until he had done ghusl, then prayed two rak’ahs and prayed istikhaarah, asking Allaah to guide him with regard to writing down this hadeeth; then he would write it down. It took him sixteen years to write this book, which the ummah accepted and unanimously agreed that what is narrated in it is saheeh; and Allaah has protected this ummah from agreeing upon misguidance.


Imam al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his introduction to Sharh Muslim (1/14): “The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) are agreed that the most sound of books after the Qur’aan are the two Saheehs of al-Bukhaari and Muslim, which were accepted by the ummah. The book of al-Bukhaari is the more sound and the more beneficial of the two.” And Allaah knows best. source: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20153/

According to the scholar , these types of questions are raised by Raafidi (Shi’i), which is simply the first step in attacking the Sunnah which demonstrates that their madhhab is false and their beliefs are corrupt. They cannot help but try to stir up trouble with these misguided notions. But they can never succeed, for the truth is clear and falsehood is confused.

Now answer my listed below question and do not try to run away by deviating from the topic.

Hadees of Hazrat Abu Huraira r.a

This is strictly for wajad purposes that I told and doesnt include music. Wajad or ecstacy means overpowering emotion characterized by loss of self-control and sometimes a of temporary loss consciousness and in that state one can lose his control and also go into a state of shock called psychogenic shock and become unconsciousness. Now in the event told in the Hadees it is clear that one person asks Hazrat Abu Huraira about a Hadees. Hazrat Abu Huraira r.a before telling the Hadees fell unconscious three times because of the intensity of his emotions that he had because of two reasons:

1) This was one of the Hadees that he had heard from the Last Messenger peace be upon him. The person asking specifically asked him this question and why not anyone would feel intensely joyous or emotional by telling any Hadees that one learned directly from him.

Obviously you are ignoring Imam Ghazali whom I quoted. You are mixing with what I told on purpose. That incident of Hazrat Abu Huraira r.a. was just of wajad.

Read what Imam Ghazali said.

Cheeko, Do not fool around answer my question:

Hadrat Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) going into wajd/swoon 3 timesTranslation:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom people had gathered. I asked, “Who is he?” They said, “Abu Hurayrah (R.A)“ So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, “I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allah’s Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it.” He said, “ I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it” Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, “Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he.” Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious. He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, “I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him.” Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated....

Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. .......

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

No! you still did not answer my question and trying to run away. I know you are only capable of copy and paste only. Everybody on this forum can understand what are your own words and which is copy paste because the language you type shows the your calibre and your qualification. You presented an Hadeeth to justify the so called "wajad" in Sufism. But if you read the Hadith, no where in it make anybody conclude that the Abu Huraira (RA) went 3 times into unconsciousness due to your so called "Wajad" in Sufism. All he (RA) was doing trying to narrate an hadith. That's all! I do not want to know what your Imam Ghazali says. The saying of Imam Ghazali is zero in front of Quraan and Authentic Hadeeth.

You quoted an Hadith to justify your so called "wajdan" in Sufi cult. You Sufis have made the religion Islam a joke, you just cant fit any Hadeeth to justify your cult.

Now, answer me and do not fool around. I need answer in you own language, no lengthy copy and paste. You will be answerable to Allah to misguide people by quoting irrelevant Hadith to justify your cult.

I have already replied. Read again.

Fine for a second I say what you say regarding that Hadees which is your interpretation of him not going into the state of ecstacy. It is a difference of opinion between me and you but certainly my intention is not to misguide anyone. What about the other Hadees. What about the views of all the other Ulema whom I quoted regarding raqs and wajad.

Fine for a second I say what you say regarding that Hadees. What about the other Hadees. What about all the Ulema that I quoted consider about raqs and wajad and their derivation is from the Hadees.

No! you still did not answer my question and trying to run away and still busy with your old tactics, lengthy copy and paste to divert. I want an answer from you why you quoted an hadith which does not prove you so-called "wajdan" in sufi cult. Instead of giving me an answer you start talking about Ayat. We can talk later about the Ayat. You just answer my question.

I know you are only capable of copy and paste only. Everybody on this forum can understand what are your own words and which is copy paste because the language you type shows the your calibre and your qualification. You presented an Hadeeth to justify the so called "wajad" in Sufism. But if you read the Hadith, no where in it make anybody conclude that the Abu Huraira (RA) went 3 times into unconsciousness due to your so called "Wajad" in Sufism. All he (RA) was doing trying to narrate an hadith. That's all! I do not want to know what your Imam Ghazali says. The saying of Imam Ghazali is zero in front of Quraan and Authentic Hadeeth.

You quoted an Hadith to justify your so called "wajad" in Sufi cult. You Sufis have made the religion Islam a joke, you just cant fit any Hadeeth to justify your cult.

Now, answer me and do not fool around. I need answer in you own language, no lengthy copy and paste. You will be answerable to Allah to misguide people by quoting irrelevant Hadith to justify your cult.

Could you answer my following questions?:

1. "What is the relevancy of your quoted Hadeeth to support your argument to justify the concept of "wajad" in your sufi cult". Now, do not talk about singing as we will debate later. So that you may not try mix two issue and try to seek a hide out.

2. The concept of "wajad" is the basis of your sufi cult. Why could not you find any authentic Hadith in Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari to justify your major believe of sufu cult?

3. Even your quoted Hadith does not support the concept of "wajad" in sufi cult. Can you show me any video where your peer (dead or alive) entered into the stage of "wajad" while narating a hadith?

3. Are you trying to say that it was only Abu Huraira (RA) was the narrator of hadth who went into "wajad" while narrating a hadith and that no other Sahaba (RA) reached to that excellent to attain the stage of "wajad". If there were other sahaba (RA). Could you please provide any hadith from sahih satta where any other Sahaba (RA) had attain the stage of "wajad" while narrating a hadith.

4. According to your hadeeth " narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he." Why prophet Muhammad pbuh chose to talk to Abu haraira (RA) about this very important matter secretly.

5. Why are you hiding the fact that this hadith is classifed "hasan ghareeb" by imam tirmidhi (“Hasan Ghareeb” is weaker than the one about which he says “Hasan”).

6. Why you quoted half version of your “Hasan Ghareeb” Hadith: The full version is as follows:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom
people had gathered. I asked, “Who is he?” They said, “Abu Hurayrah (R.A)“ So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, “I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allah’s Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it.” He said, “ I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it” Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, “Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he.” Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious.
He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, “I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him.” Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. The first of those who are summoned will be a man who had memorised the Qur’an, a man who was slain in Allah’s path and a man who had much wealth Allah will say to the reciter of the Quran, ‘Did I not teach you what I had revealed to My Messenger?’ He would answer, ‘Certainly, O my Lord! He would ask, ‘So what did you do with what you had learnt?’. He would say, ‘I stood up with it in the night and during day in prayer Allah will say to him, ‘You lie,’ and the angels will say to him, ‘You have lied’. Allah will say to him, ‘Rather, you hoped to be cited as a reciter and that has been done’. The man of wealth will be presented next and Allah will say ‘Did I not give you plenty so that you may not depend on anyone?’. He would confirm, ‘Certainly, O my Lord!’ He will ask, ‘Then what did you do with that which I gave you?’ He would answer, ‘I joined ties of relationship and gave sadaqah’. Allah will say to him, ‘You lie,’ and the angels will also say, ‘You have lied’. Allah will say, ‘Rather, you loved to be referred to as a philanthropist and that was done’. Then the one who was slain in Allah’s path will be presented and Allah will ask, ‘Why were you killed?’ He will say, ‘you commanded (us) to wage jihad in Your path, so I fought till I was killed’. Allah will say to him ‘You lie,’ and the angels will affirm, ‘You have lied’. And, Allah will say, ‘Rather, you hoped to be called brave and that was done’. After that, Allah’s Messenger patted me on my knee and said, ‘O Abu Hurayrah! They are the first three of Allah’s creatures with whom the fire will be kindled on the Day of Resurrection’.

Cheeko Brother, we are not playing who wants to be millionaire. We are talking about religion and within religion we are talking about SHIRK which is worst of all sin and for this sin their is no "Shafaaat" from anybody or forgive by Allah. Everybody is answerable Allah alone for his/ her deeds. Do not worry about your Peer, he will never be their to save you. If you accept that you have lost this debate you will Insha-Allah be winner in the hereafter. There is no right way accept the path of Quraan and Sunnah directly not filtered through Peer-o-Murshid.

(Cheeko, the above paragraph is my wording which I posted earlier on this forum. Please do not copy and paste my wording to show as if it yours.)