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Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
I know it hurts to hear the truth but if you believe that a book written by creator of 400 billion galaxies makes basic scientific mistakes, calls the Earth is flat, institutionalizes slavery, justifies rape and torture and mentions nothing that is not already known to man, and the man delivering the message has personal benefits involved if you listen to him, such as power and access to dozens of women, then I am sorry to say you are victims of an elaborate fraud.
bilkul hum 1400 sal say apni zindagiyan zaian kar rahy hain is dunia k gharebon ko rights day k aurton ko rights day k insano ke insano par muzalim ke nafi kar k ghair bejan buton ke Ibadat say mana kar k sirf ek ALLAH ke ibadat ke dawat day kar aour tum jaisay loagon ke zindagiyan tabah kar k aour Akhrat b tabah kar k . mujhay yeh samjh nahi ati isay is forum pay Islam k against bakwas karnay say is forum k moderator soey rehtay hain????
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
bilkul hum 1400 sal say apni zindagiyan zaian kar rahy hain is dunia k gharebon ko rights day k aurton ko rights day k insano ke insano par muzalim ke nafi kar k ghair bejan buton ke Ibadat say mana kar k sirf ek ALLAH ke ibadat ke dawat day kar aour tum jaisay loagon ke zindagiyan tabah kar k aour Akhrat b tabah kar k . mujhay yeh samjh nahi ati isay is forum pay Islam k against bakwas karnay say is forum k moderator soey rehtay hain????

Islam does give rights to women. It gives them half of the rights of man.

Mans rights:
Full testimony and inheritance rights
Can have sex with slaves
Can have up-to 4 wives
Can divorce whenever he wants
Can beat his wife and separate bed

Womans rights:
Testimony and inheritance only equal to half of man
Not allowed to have sex with her slaves
Cannot have more than 1 spouse
Restricted divorse rights
Not allowed to beat husband or refuse sex
 

ali_786

MPA (400+ posts)
Anything that brings happiness to human beings is wrong to you guys. You can waste your life over a 1400 year old fraud and superstition but at-least let other people enjoy their one life.
Are you Mirza Qadyani follower ? If so you may but you have no right to speak bullshit for old superstitious . If you barking more then thousand of people will take off ur and ur family as well as your Mirza Qadiyani clothes here .
you should ask your mother why did she born you such superstitious world and if not get answer then better kill yourself .
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Islam does give rights to women. It gives them half of the rights of man.

Mans rights:
Full testimony and inheritance rights
Can have sex with slaves
Can have up-to 4 wives
Can divorce whenever he wants
Can beat his wife and separate bed

Womans rights:
Testimony and inheritance only equal to half of man
Not allowed to have sex with her slaves
Cannot have more than 1 spouse
Restricted divorse rights
Not allowed to beat husband or refuse sex
Historically, divorced women were considered disgraced beings in their communities, and many times ex-husband and other relatives prevented them from remarrying. Islam removed such obstacles by permitting women to remarry and by commanding others to let them do so.

Islam grants women the highest place in society in their role as mothers. With regards to her children, the status of a mother is exalted three times over the status of a father. No matter how much a mother I served, it is said that no child can ever be grateful enough for even the one day of pain she endured while giving birth and in caring for her child during infancy and thereafter. A widely known Hadith states that
"heaven is at the mother's feet ".

The pleasure of Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ is concealed in the pleasure of mother. No matter how high the post or status a person attains, he is not free from the obedience to mother.

As a sister, a woman is not neglected in Islamic Culture . If she is the eldest among the siblings, she takes the place next to her mother and draws the same respect. The way Islam has mentioned the rights of mothers ; similarly Islam has also highlighted the rights of real sister and has given the order to treat real sister and foster sister well. Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ welcomed and respected his foster sister to show the status of Sisters In Islam .

As a daughter, a woman is a blessing and a means of the mercy of Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ. There are many special rewards for the one who look afters daughters as it is narrated:

The Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ has said: The one who has a daughter and he does not bury her alive, and nor does he consider her to be disgraceful, nor prefer his son to her, Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ will make him enter Paradise.
(Sunan Abu Dawood, vol. 4, pp. 435, Hadees 5146)

The Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ has said: Do not call daughters bad, I have daughters too. Undoubtedly, daughters are very loving, sympathetic and very affectionate.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Are you Mirza Qadyani follower ? If so you may but you have no right to speak bullshit for old superstitious . If you barking more then thousand of people will take off ur and ur family as well as your Mirza Qadiyani clothes here .
you should ask your mother why did she born you such superstitious world and if not get answer then better kill yourself .

Im not an Ahmedi and I grew up in a Sunni Muslim family. And I do have a right to speak out against ignorance and superstition.
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Islam does give rights to women. It gives them half of the rights of man.

Mans rights:
Full testimony and inheritance rights
Can have sex with slaves
Can have up-to 4 wives
Can divorce whenever he wants
Can beat his wife and separate bed

Womans rights:
Testimony and inheritance only equal to half of man
Not allowed to have sex with her slaves
Cannot have more than 1 spouse
Restricted divorse rights
Not allowed to beat husband or refuse sex
Men enjoyed rights are the duties of the women and the duties of men are the rights of women. This implies a similarity between both the genders. There is no right advice on a man that woman may be underprivileged because she is a woman. In Holy Quran, Allah Almighty says: “Men, however, have an advantage over them.” (Quran, 2:228). In this verse of Holy Quran man’s superiority is by virtue of his responsibility of protection and maintenance of woman and fulfillment of their rights. Nature has made the man stronger, more responsible and tolerant with reference to normal matters of life. So man is held superior to woman in the classification of responsibility.

Rights in Inheritance: Men and women have set and determined rights to receive their fair share of wealth. A woman has her fixed share of inheritance which was right unthinkable in many societies before Islam. Allah Almighty stated in Quran: “There is a share for men from what is left by parents and those closely related, and there is a share for women from what is left by parents and those closely related, whether the wealth is small or large: a legal mandatory share.” (Quran, 4:7)
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Historically, divorced women were considered disgraced beings in their communities, and many times ex-husband and other relatives prevented them from remarrying. Islam removed such obstacles by permitting women to remarry and by commanding others to let them do so.

Islam grants women the highest place in society in their role as mothers. With regards to her children, the status of a mother is exalted three times over the status of a father. No matter how much a mother I served, it is said that no child can ever be grateful enough for even the one day of pain she endured while giving birth and in caring for her child during infancy and thereafter. A widely known Hadith states that
"heaven is at the mother's feet ".

The pleasure of Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ is concealed in the pleasure of mother. No matter how high the post or status a person attains, he is not free from the obedience to mother.

As a sister, a woman is not neglected in Islamic Culture . If she is the eldest among the siblings, she takes the place next to her mother and draws the same respect. The way Islam has mentioned the rights of mothers ; similarly Islam has also highlighted the rights of real sister and has given the order to treat real sister and foster sister well. Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ welcomed and respected his foster sister to show the status of Sisters In Islam .

As a daughter, a woman is a blessing and a means of the mercy of Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ. There are many special rewards for the one who look afters daughters as it is narrated:

The Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ has said: The one who has a daughter and he does not bury her alive, and nor does he consider her to be disgraceful, nor prefer his son to her, Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ will make him enter Paradise.
(Sunan Abu Dawood, vol. 4, pp. 435, Hadees 5146)

The Beloved Rasool صَلَّی اللہُ عَلَیْہِ وَسَلَّمَ has said: Do not call daughters bad, I have daughters too. Undoubtedly, daughters are very loving, sympathetic and very affectionate.

I'm not arguing whether Islam gave rights to woman compared to what the rights of women were 1400 years ago. I'm talking about women's rights under Islam compared to today? Or do you believe that Islam is not a religion for all times but just a religion for 1400 years ago?

As for mothers, every society respects mothers, can you think of one that doesn't?

Lets stop beating around the bush about mothers, daughters and sisters. Lets talk about the actual rights that Islam gives to women.

They are forced to dress in a certain way. Their honor is connected to their bodies whilst man's is not.

So lets see what Islam actually says about Women:

Women are deficient as witnesses:

Quran:
"And call in to witness two witnesses, men; or if the two be not men, then one man and two women, such witness as you approve of, that if one woman errs the other will remind her."

And why would the Woman Err? Is she inferior in intellect to a man that a man would not err or forget?

This is just one Quranic worse, there's many hadith on why women are inferior to men in Quran. Islam treats women similarly as property and slaves.
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
I'm not arguing whether Islam gave rights to woman compared to what the rights of women were 1400 years ago. I'm talking about women's rights under Islam compared to today? Or do you believe that Islam is not a religion for all times but just a religion for 1400 years ago?

As for mothers, every society respects mothers, can you think of one that doesn't?

Lets stop beating around the bush about mothers, daughters and sisters. Lets talk about the actual rights that Islam gives to women.

They are forced to dress in a certain way. Their honor is connected to their bodies whilst man's is not.

So lets see what Islam actually says about Women:

Women are deficient as witnesses:

Quran:
"And call in to witness two witnesses, men; or if the two be not men, then one man and two women, such witness as you approve of, that if one woman errs the other will remind her."

And why would the Woman Err? Is she inferior in intellect to a man that a man would not err or forget?

This is just one Quranic worse, there's many hadith on why women are inferior to men in Quran. Islam treats women similarly as property and slaves.
It is not true that two female witnesses are always considered as equal to only one male witness. It is true only in certain cases. There are about five verses in the Qur’an that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Qur’an, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness. This verse is Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 282. This is the longest verse in the Qur’an and deals with financial transactions. It says:

"Oh! ye who believe!

When ye deal with each other,

in transactions involving future obligation

in a fixed period of time

reduce them to writing and get two witnesses

out of your own men and if there are not two men,

then a man and two women, such as ye choose,

for witnesses so that if one of them errs

the other can remind her."

[Al-Qur’an 2:282]

This verse of the Qur’an deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice.

For instance, suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular ailment. To confirm the treatment, he would prefer taking references from two qualified surgeons. In case he is unable to find two surgeons, his second option would be one surgeon and two general practitioners who are plain MBBS doctors.

Similarly in financial transactions, two men are preferred. Islam expects men to be the breadwinners of their families. Since financial responsibility is shouldered by men, they are expected to be well versed in financial transactions as compared to women. As a second option, the witness can be one man and two women, so that if one of the women errs the other can remind her. The Arabic word used in the Qur’an is ‘Tazil’ which means ‘confused’ or ‘to err’. Many have wrongly translated this word as ‘to forget’. Thus financial transactions constitute the only case in which two female witnesses are equal to one male witness.

However, some scholars are of the opinion that the feminine attitude can also have an effect on the witness in a murder case. In such circumstances a woman is more terrified as compared to a man. Due to her emotional condition she can get confused. Therefore, according to some jurists, even in cases of murder, two female witnesses are equivalent to one male witness. In all other cases, one female witness is equivalent to one male witness. There are about five verses in the Qur’an which speak about witnesses without specifying man or woman.

While making a will of inheritance, two just persons are required as witnesses. In Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 106, the Glorious Qur’an says:

"Oh you who believe!

When death approaches any of you,

(take) witnesses among yourself when making bequests."

[Al-Qur’an 5:106]

two just persons of your own (brotherhood)

or other from outside if you are journeying

through the earth and the chance of death befalls you."

[Al-Qur’an 65:2]

Two persons endued with justice in case of talaq.

"Four witnesses are required

in case of charge against chaste women,

[Al-Qur’an 24:4]

There are some scholars who are of the opinion that the rule of two female witnesses equal to one male witness should be applied to all the cases. This cannot be agreed upon because one particular verse of the Qur’an from Surah Noor chapter 24, verse 6 clearly equates one female witness and one male witness:

"And those who launch a charge

against their spouses, and have (in support)

no evidence but their own -

their solitary evidence can be received."

[Al-Qur’an 24:6]

Hazrat Ayesha (RA) hadith narrated of one witness

Many jurists agree that even one witness of a woman is sufficient for the sighting of the crescent of the moon. Imagine one woman witness is sufficient for one of the pillars of Islam, i.e. fasting and the whole Muslim community of men and women agree and accept her witness! Some jurists say that one witness is required at the beginning of Ramadan and two witnesses at the end of Ramadan. It makes no difference whether the witnesses are men or women.

Some incidents require only female witness and that of a male cannot be accepted. For instance, in dealing with the problems of women, while giving the burial bath i.e. ‘ghusl’ to a woman, the witness has to be a woman.

The seeming inequality of male and female witnesses in financial transactions is not due to any inequality of the sexes in Islam. It is only due to the different natures and roles of men and women in society as envisaged by Islam.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In Holy Quran, Allah Almighty says: “Men, however, have an advantage over them.” (Quran, 2:228). In this verse of Holy Quran man’s superiority is by virtue of his responsibility of protection and maintenance of woman and fulfillment of their rights.

That's a very misogynist statement to make. Man is not superior to woman, especially in a society where state gives rights to women she doesn't depend on man for protection. In Canada women police officers can perform their jobs just as well as their male counterparts.
 

باس از باس

MPA (400+ posts)
Anything that brings happiness to human beings is wrong to you guys. You can waste your life over a 1400 year old fraud and superstition but at-least let other people enjoy their one life.

آپ دنیا میں موجود کسی بھی مذہب کو مانتے ہیں یا نہی۔۔۔،؟؟؟
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
آپ دنیا میں موجود کسی بھی مذہب کو مانتے ہیں یا نہی۔۔۔،؟؟؟

Religions were invented around 10,000-12,000 years ago when agricultural revolution started, humans started settling down after spending over 200,000 years as hunter gatherers in small groups of less than 40 individuals.

When they started settling into villages they need to create rules so they can live together peacefully but in order to have authority they had to create religions to prescribe divine authority to priests and messengers.

As time evolved, religions and their stories and concepts of Gods evolved, over time some people started to make religions not because there was need of it but because it was very lucrative and there were several other poets and prophets in Arabia at time of Muhammad.

In 21st century there is rule of law and societies are advanced enough that we do not need religions anymore. Most of our moral teachings actually come from secular books and not from holy books. This is why over 24% of Muslim youth is leaving religions. Not to mention that there is no sense in any of them.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nature has made the man stronger, more responsible and tolerant with reference to normal matters of life. So man is held superior to woman in the classification of responsibility.

What is this nonsense? Nature has also made Gorilla and Chimpanzee stronger than man does it mean they should have more rights than men? What does physical strength have to do with rights? Ronda Rousey can rip your arms out and beat you with them does it mean she gets more rights than you?

Creator of 400 billion galaxies wouldn't make generalizations about women that they are less tolerant and weaker so therefore they should get less rights. It points more to the fact that this book was most probably written by ignorant and misogynist desert people.
 

باس از باس

MPA (400+ posts)
Religions were invented around 10,000-12,000 years ago when agricultural revolution started, humans started settling down after spending over 200,000 years as hunter gatherers in small groups of less than 40 individuals.

When they started settling into villages they need to create rules so they can live together peacefully but in order to have authority they had to create religions to prescribe divine authority to priests and messengers.

As time evolved, religions and their stories and concepts of Gods evolved, over time some people started to make religions not because there was need of it but because it was very lucrative and there were several other poets and prophets in Arabia at time of Muhammad.

In 21st century there is rule of law and societies are advanced enough that we do not need religions anymore. Most of our moral teachings actually come from secular books and not from holy books. This is why over 24% of Muslim youth is leaving religions. Not to mention that there is no sense in any of them.


سیدھا سا جواب دیں ۔۔۔ ہاں یا نہی

بات ختم ۔۔۔

اتنی لمبی تقریر مذاہب کے ارتقاء کی جڑ میں گھسنے کی کیا ضرورت
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
That's a very misogynist statement to make. Man is not superior to woman, especially in a society where state gives rights to women she doesn't depend on man for protection. In Canada women police officers can perform their jobs just as well as their male counterparts.
Jeannie Crosby, who served in the Air Force for 20 years, says there’s a basic issue that underlies this discrimination: respect—or lack thereof.

One of the major reasons cited for why women can't serve in some roles is the need for separate sleeping quarters, and particularly the worries about women being subject to sexual crimes. And unfortunately, these worries are still all too well-founded.

For Amanda Downs, who was a corporal in the Marines from 2007-2011, this rationale is quite a valid reason for excluding women from certain positions. Downs knows this because when she was in Military Operational Specialty School, she was raped. And she didn't say anything until a couple years after—because one of her superiors told her she would get in more trouble than the man who raped her because she was drinking underage.
i can quote many reports on your so called USA/Canada's Women who face these issues because of this
 

khaaki

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dream on and keep sulking whereby the religion continues to strengthen and enlighten billions in the world. It has not only sustained but instead grown into enviable believers for more than 1442 years...and stooges like you have the gut to insult and defame the divinity. Look in the mirror and you would be ashamed of yourself.
Anyway, I hope you are guided to the right path.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Jeannie Crosby, who served in the Air Force for 20 years, says there’s a basic issue that underlies this discrimination: respect—or lack thereof.

One of the major reasons cited for why women can't serve in some roles is the need for separate sleeping quarters, and particularly the worries about women being subject to sexual crimes. And unfortunately, these worries are still all too well-founded.

For Amanda Downs, who was a corporal in the Marines from 2007-2011, this rationale is quite a valid reason for excluding women from certain positions. Downs knows this because when she was in Military Operational Specialty School, she was raped. And she didn't say anything until a couple years after—because one of her superiors told her she would get in more trouble than the man who raped her because she was drinking underage.
i can quote many reports on your so called USA/Canada's Women who face these issues because of this

When did I ever say there are zero issues in Canada or US. Every country has issues but the women's issues faced in US and Canada are nothing compared to women issues faced in Muslim world. Muslim countries women rights indicators are at the very bottom of every list. What can you expect from a religion which openly says men have more rights because they are superior to women.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dream on and keep sulking whereby the religion continues to strengthen and enlighten billions in the world. It has not only sustained but instead grown into enviable believers for more than 1442 years...and stooges like you have the gut to insult and defame the divinity. Look in the mirror and you would be ashamed of yourself.
Anyway, I hope you are guided to the right path.

According to your own scholars over 24% of Muslim youth is leaving Islam.

I have studied Islam for over 10 years, after Quran, I scraped through Bukhari, Tabari, Ibn Kathir and even non-Islamic historic sources, and probably have much more knowledge than you on this topic so I hope you are guided to the right path.

My first eye opener was when I read Surah Kahf, I had doubts before that but when I read Tabari's tafsir and background information and reference from Ibn Khathir about the story behind this verse I had no doubt left in my mind that Islam is a fraud. Everything else I did out of curiosity to see the extent of the fraud and everything started to make sense. Now there is zero confusion in my mind, you guys are being taken for a ride.