Another senior journalist complains about PTI abuse

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
OVER the years, I have been critical of every politician in power. And ever since this newspaper went online, their supporters have disagreed with me to varying degrees.



But by and large, our email exchange has been civil, and more often than not, we have agreed to disagree. When I began this column in 1992, Nawaz Sharif was in power, and the wheel has turned full circle. In the intervening period, Benazir Bhutto, Musharraf and Asif Zardari have ruled, and they all had their fans and detractors.



But while some supporters have expressed themselves rather inelegantly, there has seldom been any outright abuse. On the few occasions there was, I merely deleted the messages and blocked the sender from my inbox. Who has time to waste on mindless abuse?
Fortunately, such occasions have been rare. Until the last few months, that is: now, whenever I have written a piece critical of Imran Khan and his Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf, I get a stream of abusive emails from his supporters. Some of them begin aggressively, and descend to the gutter when I try and engage them in rational debate.



It is a truism that those with neither the wit nor the knowledge to argue effectively resort to abuse in an attempt to browbeat their interlocutors. And when they succeed in shouting down their opponents, they think they have won the argument. This encourages them to use this technique in future encounters.

[h=4]Long gone are the days of subtle but sharp insults.[/h]
Thus far, supporters of the PPP, PML-N, PML-Q (not many of those, actually), Musharraf and even the MQM have been generally civilised in their correspondence with me. They are usually willing to engage in a discussion, and back up their arguments with points they think contradict whatever I might have written.



I have no problem with a robust exchange. Indeed, over the years, I have developed a rather thick skin. So given the generally civil tone over the last two decades, why are Imran Khans supporters so different from those who back other politicians?



Could it be because they are younger? But I have exchanged emails with hundreds of young people over the years, and have found them to be generally polite and positive. Or could it be that PTI supporters hear their leader shouting abuse at his political opponents every day from his bully pulpit, and think this is an entirely acceptable way to behave?



Another reason for the coarsening of public discourse is probably the rise of TV chat shows as a popular form of entertainment. Here, viewers are exposed for hours to a steady stream of ignorant views, loudly expressed. Discussions quickly degenerate into shouting matches. And regrettably, most of our popular hosts set the tone for this noisy and boorish spectacle.



No wonder some viewers at an impressionable age think it is all right to be rude and confrontational. When far older politicians as well as retired generals and diplomats angrily raise their voices to win a point, what kind of example are they setting for the young?



When I was critical of Imran Khans refusal to compromise and engage in the give-and-take of politics in a recent column, many of his supporters accused me of urging a dialogue with corrupt politicians. They voiced such indignation that it appeared that Pakistan has a monopoly on corruption.


And yet the world is full of societies where venality flourishes: we only have to look across our borders at what goes on in all our neighbouring countries. Even in more mature democracies, corruption is not unknown.



By making it a central part of his agenda, Imran Khan has brainwashed his young supporters into thinking that as soon as hes in power, he will eradicate corruption. Once this miracle occurs, rivers of milk and honey and possibly even fine single malt will flow across the land.



But although his party has been in power for over a year in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, money still changes hands to get the bureaucracy to perform its duty. An old friend in Peshawar confirmed to me that he had been asked for a lakh by the local patwari for a document he needed.



Just as there has been a steady escalation in the sophistication of the arms available and used in Pakistan, so too has there been a rise in the stridency and offensiveness of the language deployed. Long gone are the days of subtle but sharp insults delivered in chaste Lucknavi Urdu; welcome to the era of curses recalling female members of the family.



Other writers who have dared express negative views about Imran Khan have had similar experiences with PTI trolls who think they can change minds through choice epithets. And if not, at least shut the critics up. They dont understand how poorly this reflects on their leader and their party.


But perhaps the leader doesnt care.



Let me close with a request to PTI supporters not to bother sending me their usual hate-mail.
[email protected]
Published in Dawn, November 22th , 2014



http://www.dawn.com/news/1146034/down-in-the-gutter

 
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thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Is jesay zameer faroosh journalists ko tu
jo..tey marnay chahay...sirf...ga..li koi...
Aur ye Bakao journalist kahan se senior
ho gia..shakal dekho is ki.Phaa..tkar
baras rahi ha...
 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

(thumbsdown)بہکتا ، بلبلاتا ، اور بڑبڑاتا انقلاب ، بری بات بہت بری بات ، تمیز ہے نہیں دعویٰ تعمیر کا ،
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whoever writes anything remotely critical of IK is labelled as sell out, whereas true, known and proven sell outs like mubashir luqman are considered honest journos. PTIians treat imran khan like a prophet who cannot commit a mistake. Our prophet Mohammad PBUH never abused even his worst enemy. But this false prophet IK and his followers abuses everyone who refuse the blindly toe the rediculous prophesies of this false prophet IK
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

کیا آپ نے غور کیا ہے کسی بھی گالی سے صرف ان لوگوں کو تکلیف ہوتی ہے جو

حقیقت میں بلکل اس طرح ہوتے ہیں جیسی گالی نکالی گیی ہے؟
اسکا مطلب ہے گالی صحیح نشانے پر لگی ہے اور صحیح نکالی گی ہے.

(bigsmile)(bigsmile)(bigsmile)
 

Fatema

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What an I****, ******, ****** journo, he gave his email in the end to invite more abuse. . If you write against IK without no reason and protect your *****, ******, ***** Mafia Noora. You will get nothing but abuse in return. . that is the only weapon IK's supporter has. . .and mind well these ******, *****, **** Nooras have stoop so low in their dirty propaganda against IK that I think this so called ******, ******, **** journo is writing this article for LIFAFA. .:biggthumpup: :P:P(bigsmile)
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
اسکی شکل پہ پٹکار برس رہی ہے۔ اسطرح کے بکواس کالم پہ کوئی سخت جواب نہیں دیگا تو کیا کریگا؟

ویسے بھی ان انگریزی کالم نگاروں اور دونمبر لبرلز کو تو عمران کیخلاف کچھ نہیں ملتا بس ایک یہی زبان اور طالبان کا الزام رہ گیا ہیں اسلیے ان دو الزامات پہ خوب دل کا بھڑاس نکالتے ہیں۔ جبکہ نواز، شہباز، زرداری وغیرہ 'مہذب، ایماندار اور محب وطن فرشتہ نما' لوگوں کے بارے میں تو ویسے بھی لکھنے اور کہنے کو کچھ نہیں۔
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So tell me if i dont like IK, for whatever reason, why i dont have a right to speak my mind without abuse thrown at me. Why do i have either to be with IK or be abused? Why cant i exercise my right to oppose IK ? Regardless that IK is consisered like a god by his followers but i still consider him a false idol and will continue to call out his lies. If i am not abusing IK or his followers, why should i be treated with abuse just because i am against IK?

What an I****, ******, ****** journo, he gave his email in the end to invite more abuse. . If you write against IK without no reason and protect your *****, ******, ***** Mafia Noora. You will get nothing but abuse in return. . that is the only weapon IK's supporter has. . .and mind well these ******, *****, **** Nooras have stoop so low in their dirty propaganda against IK that I think this so called ******, ******, **** journo is writing this article for LIFAFA. .:biggthumpup: :P:P(bigsmile)
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اور وطن فروش غدار وطن عمران کے ساتھ کیا کرنا چاہئے

Is jesay zameer faroosh journalists ko tu
jo..tey marnay chahay...sirf...ga..li koi...
Aur ye Bakao journalist kahan se senior
ho gia..shakal dekho is ki.Phaa..tkar
baras rahi ha...
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
طاری صاحب اس لچکتے، ڈولتے، لڑکھڑاتے انقلاب کا دعوی تعمیر بھی صرف ہوائ قلعوں تک محدود ہے جس کا حقائق کی دنیا سے کوئ تعلق نہیں۔ تعمیر کے بنیادی اجزائے ترکیبی سےانقلاب کی واجی واقفیت بھی نہیں ۔


(thumbsdown)بہکتا ، بلبلاتا ، اور بڑبڑاتا انقلاب ، بری بات بہت بری بات ، تمیز ہے نہیں دعویٰ تعمیر کا ،
 

Salman Mughal

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mere bhai seeedhi se baat hai Bubblee butt ki team mei kuch log aisey hain joh PTI ke supporters ban ker sab ko Gaaliaan dete hain ke PTI ka naam kharab ho.

though I agree ke PTI mei be aisay log hongay aur aisa nahi hona chahye
 

Fatema

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So tell me if i dont like IK, for whatever reason, why i dont have a right to speak my mind without abuse thrown at me. Why do i have either to be with IK or be abused? Why cant i exercise my right to oppose IK ? Regardless that IK is consisered like a god by his followers but i still consider him a false idol and will continue to call out his lies. If i am not abusing IK or his followers, why should i be treated with abuse just because i am against IK?


So write exactly like you replied to me. . . give respect get respect. critisice IK in a respect ful manner(as we do as well). . but when any A B C critisize him just for the sake of criticism what would you expect in return? Mostly Nooras start abusing and IK supporters retaliate. . .(bigsmile)
 

Captain Safdar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Main PTI ka supporter hoon....main to kisi ko gaali nahi daita...jiss ko mairee baat ka yakeen nahi aaya...uss ki **********....********* lolz ;)
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats how i always write. Can you point to even a single abusive post fro me? And none of those journalists abuse IK but they criticize on his policies or statements or differences between hus words and actions. They do that in a litrerary manner but get barrage of filthy abuse in return. And what if i criticize him just for the sake of criticism, i have a right to do that. Just look at comnents in this thread by PTIians, they are abusing his physical appearnce just because he criticized IK

So write exactly like you replied to me. . . give respect get respect. critisice IK in a respect ful manner(as we do as well). . but when any A B C critisize him just for the sake of criticism what would you expect in return? Mostly Nooras start abusing and IK supporters retaliate. . .(bigsmile)
 

Dr. PTI

MPA (400+ posts)
So What....Even every senior corrupt politician lies about PTI..
Ab Ata Qasmi aur Irfan Sadiqi kay bahi ko hum sar par charha lain..

IK has only politicized the educated youth, and educated youth know how to deal with people.
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
٦٨ سال کا ناسور اکھاڑنے کے لئے میٹھی گولیوں سے علاج نہیں کیا جاتا


میجر آپریشن کیا جاتا ہے

چاہے کسی کا
" گاڑی میں ٹریفک " جام کے دوران ہی کرنا پڑے

:biggthumpup:​
 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
طاری صاحب اس لچکتے، ڈولتے، لڑکھڑاتے انقلاب کا دعوی تعمیر بھی صرف ہوائ قلعوں تک محدود ہے جس کا حقائق کی دنیا سے کوئ تعلق نہیں۔ تعمیر کے بنیادی اجزائے ترکیبی سےانقلاب کی واجی واقفیت بھی نہیں ۔


پچھلے دنوں ، طالبان یا دایش کی کسی واردات پر میرا تبصرہ تھا ، " ظلم یہ نہیں کہ ایک انسان قتل ہوا ، ظلم تو یہ ہوا اس بدکاری کو جہاد کہہ دیا " آج کل ہر ناقص و گھٹیا پر مقدس القابات یا عنوان سجا لینا ایک رواج بن چکا ہے ، لفظ انقلاب بھی اس لحاظ سے بدقسمت ہے ، آج کل ان کے ہاتھ آ لگا ہے جو شائد آوارگی میں حد سے گزر جانے کو جذبہ جنون سمجھتے ہیں ، بنی گالیوں کی اس پود نے اودھم مچا رکھا ہے ، الف ب ، ابجد کا علم نہیں ، بس ہاہاکار ، رقص و سرود ، یا پھر شیخ رشید سے زندہ باد ، ابھی کل ہی کی بات ہے طاہر القادری کی خاطر کیسے گالیاں دیا کرتے تھے ، سیاسی امام نے جلد ہی کنارہ کشی کر لی ، یہ بھی نا سوچا ؟ انقلابیوں نے کیسے کیسے پاپ ہضم کیے ، شان میں کیسے کیسے قصیدے لکھے ، بس منہ کالا کروانا مقصود تھا ، جب خوب کالا ہوا ، علیحدگی اختیار کر لی ، ظاہر ہے ، جب معیار پر سمجھوتہ ہو گا تو منہ تو کالا ہونا ہی ہے

:biggthumpup:اب اسی تھریڈ پر "تبرا" کے حق میں دلائل آپ دیکھ ہی رہے ہیں ، یہ پست ذہنیت کا طبقہ ہے ، اپنی پستی کو جب انقلاب کہتا ہے تو ، انقلاب بھی شرما جاتا ہو گا